Best Disney movie of the 1950s?

[Sotiris]

The one thing I never liked about Cinderella is how simplistic some of the backgrounds are. They dont fit with the rest of the film that's highly detailed. For example, the exterior of the palace always bothered me. Another instance are the backgrounds in the "So This Is Love" sequence. I know they were influenced by Mary Blair's concept art, but those work better as storybook illustrations rather than animation backgrounds. Aside from that minor blemish, Cinderella is pretty perfect. It's the quintessential fairytale.

[Disney's Divinity]

I always loved Cinderella’s backgrounds, personally… I’ve actually always thought the film was the prettiest Disney film in the canon because of them, which is why I disagree with most people who attach that designation to Sleeping Beauty (I'd say Pinocchio and Dalmatians are the next most beautiful, before SB as well and Bambi is right there almost tied with it; Hercules, Aladdin, and The Lion King would come next for me). I know the character designs of Cinderella are weaker because they're all over the place though (similar to how the Three Fairies from SB are criticized for not fitting the aesthetic of the rest of that film very well), but Cinderella and Lady Tremaine feature beautiful animation at least, that walks a very fine line. It's on the verge of seeming rotoscoped at times.

[DC Fan]

I never said that Cinderella lacked personality or that Aurora has it. I said that Aurora was the first to start getting a personality. Not that it was fully developed. More so I never said Cinderella lacked it.

[willard]

1. Cinderella
2. Sleepy Beauty
3. Peter Pan
4. Alice in Wonderland
5. Lady and the Tramp

[D82]

06. Music Land

I didn't even know that film existed. I've just looked it up and learned it was comprised of a selection of segments from Make Mine Music and Melody Time. Do you know if some new footage of any kind was created to serve as a link between the shorts?

Is it just me or is this poll rigged lol? Not that I mind Cinderella winning but it's really bizarre that it has pretty much all the votes and the other choices have little to none.

At the top of last page a moderator says they were having problems with the polls due to a glitch, so I guess that's why the poll doesn't match with the rankings in the comments. Here's another thread on the same topic whose poll results seem more realistic.

I always found Alice and PP very similar in that both feature a British girl going to a fantasy world where everyone are jerks to them.

I never thought of that before, but you're quite right.

I like Tinker Bell 'cause she's a pixie and she eventually redeems herself

I like her too, and her design is so iconic. I love how every part of her body (her hair, dress, shoes and wings) is comprised of a combination of round and pointy shapes. I think the character designs and the animation in Peter Pan are really good. The film is not as perfect as some of Walt's earlier films, in my opinion, and of course, there are some racist and sexist things in it, but there are many elements that make it memorable to me.

And I like how they take many human elements that wouldn't be appropriate in a Disney film but manage to get them under the radar in a dog film. Like how the dogs attack Lady because she's ovulating and they sense she's in heat. And how Lady gets pregnant from her night with Tramp which is why Jock and Trusty propose marriage to her to save her honor.

I remember you've mentioned that before and I guess you could be right, but how did Jock and Trusty know she was pregnant?

[JeanGreyForever]

At the top of last page a moderator says they were having problems with the polls due to a glitch, so I guess that's why the poll doesn't match with the rankings in the comments. Here's another thread on the same topic whose poll results seem more realistic.

I never thought of that before, but you're quite right.

I like her too, and her design is so iconic. I love how every part of her body (her hair, dress, shoes and wings) is comprised of a combination of round and pointy shapes. I think the character designs and the animation in Peter Pan are really good. The film is not as perfect as some of Walt's earlier films, in my opinion, and of course, there are some racist and sexist things in it, but there are many elements that make it memorable to me.

I remember you've mentioned that before and I guess you could be right, but how did Jock and Trusty know she was pregnant?

Thank you, that makes sense.

Only because Walt did not understand his source material. Although his Alice is considered one of the best adaptations of the book, his Peter Pan rarely gets that type of acclaim and for good reason. The Wendy from the novel/play did not have such a miserable experience.

I agree that Tinker Bell has a very iconic design. It's too bad her insides don't match her outsides but I suppose that was the point of the fairies. Honestly I'm surprised that social media hasn't attacked What Makes the Red Man Red because out of Disney's entire library, that's the sequence I consider to be the most racist.

Lady must have explained to them why she was locked up in the dog pound including how she spent the night with Tramp before and learned he is a womanizer and not dependable.

[Disney Duster]

Haha JeanGreyForever, thank you. I don't consider Aurora a tabula rasa, but she almost is.

I absolutely loved that blog post you linked to! That was such a thoroughly deep look at the film I am impressed! She even caught that Cinderella's talking about herself when she talks to Bruno, which took me years to notice!

The backgrounds in Cinderella I don't mind being as simple as they are, either. I just wish they were drawn as perfectly as in Lady and the Tramp or Sleeping Beauty. I dunno.

Yes Sotiris, I wish they put more detail where there is more focus, like the castle parts that we are focused on. Howver the castle looks very detailed in some shots, like when we go to see the King complaining about his son or the gate where the slipper proclamation is read. I have neve heard complaints against the "So This is Love" backgrounds...hmm...I actually wish they looked even more like Blair's stuff. But I loved what you said about the rest of Cinderella!

DC Fan, I am confused. You say you don't mean Cinderella doesn't have personality, but you say Aurora, who came after her, was the first princess to start to show personality?! I don't get it.

D82, I never noticed that about Tinker Bell's design shapes. But I have always loved her design anyway!

[JeanGreyForever]

Haha JeanGreyForever, thank you. I don't consider Aurora a tabula rasa, but she almost is.

I absolutely loved that blog post you linked to! That was such a thoroughly deep look at the film I am impressed! She even caught that Cinderella's talking about herself when she talks to Bruno, which took me years to notice!

The backgrounds in Cinderella I don't mind being as simple as they are, either. I just wish they were drawn as perfectly as in Lady and the Tramp or Sleeping Beauty. I dunno.

DC Fan, I am confused. You say you don't mean Cinderella doesn't have personality, but you say Aurora, who came after her, was the first princess to start to show personality?! I don't get it.

She does have hints of a personality and a lot of Aurora fans have fleshed out an entire personality for her based on what little hints and innuendos they take from the film which I think is really nice.

Yes, ever since I've come across this blog I've fallen in love with it. I really like how it doesn't just look at the animated films but it reviews the live-action ones as well. And my taste aligns with the blogger a lot since not only does she think Cinderella is one of the strongest DPs, she also hates Disney's Peter Pan and prefers the 2003 live-action film, and I think Hunchback might be one of her favorites based on some stray comments she's made but I guess we'll know for sure when we get to the 90s.

I always used to wonder about that Cinderella/Bruno scene and I wasn't sure if the intention was that she was talking about herself with her stepfamily or if I was looking into it too much. I'm glad to see others saw it the same way.

Well Lady and the Tramp and Sleeping Beauty might come across that way because they were animated in CinemaScope so as widescreen films, their backgrounds would be more noticeable and thus needed to be more detailed and presentable.

I never said that Cinderella lacked personality or that Aurora has it. I said that Aurora was the first to start getting a personality. Not that it was fully developed. More so I never said Cinderella lacked it.

But by saying that Aurora is the first princess in your book who starts to have a personality, wouldn't that imply that all the princesses before her (Snow White and Cinderella) were personality-less as Aurora was the first? Like Duster I am confused as well.

[Disney Duster]

Yeah, that blog is awesome. I made a list of my favorite lines, most of which made me laugh out loud:

Don’t marry anyone who pets a cat like this.

Also, for the love of god, Dad, don’t marry the sort of person who names their cat after Satan.

Lucifer frantically searches for the cup hiding his prey and makes the best face ever when he finds him.

Because screw what these ladies might be doing, he’s the king and by God his son is going to get somebody pregnant.

Now, maybe I’m just cynical, but didn’t she need help like… way earlier?

The Duke paces outside the King’s bedchamber, rehearsing how he’s going to tell him the Prince’s bride ran away and the idiot didn’t even ask her name.

Cinderella urges her bird friends to get Bruno, which they do, and the dog knocks Lucifer out a nine million story window.

“If that thing had nine lives, it just spent ’em all.”

Whoever made the decision to recolor the entire DVD release needs to be slapped. Repeatedly. With a 2×4.

All three of Cinderella’s Oscar nominations were related to the music, though none of them won because the Academy is dumb.

In Florida, it houses Cinderella’s Royal Table, a tiny restaurant where your little princess can dine with fellow royalty… if you make a reservation about thirty years in advance and take out a second mortgage.

I actually have eaten at Cinderella's Royal Table for breakfast. Worth every penny.

That blogger, though, posted something questionable. She posted that when Ilene Woods had Alzheimer's, the nurses playing "A Dream is a Wish Your Heart Makes" calmed her down all the way until her death. Wikipedia states it, but their is no citation for it. I think someone wrote it when Ilene Woods died just to see if it would get published, because that "info" only appeared right when she died, as I remember seeing it first when she died. I made a comment telling her about this.

[JeanGreyForever]

Yeah, that blog is awesome. I made a list of my favorite lines, most of which made me laugh out loud:

Don’t marry anyone who pets a cat like this.

Also, for the love of god, Dad, don’t marry the sort of person who names their cat after Satan.

Lucifer frantically searches for the cup hiding his prey and makes the best face ever when he finds him.

Because screw what these ladies might be doing, he’s the king and by God his son is going to get somebody pregnant.

Now, maybe I’m just cynical, but didn’t she need help like… way earlier?

The Duke paces outside the King’s bedchamber, rehearsing how he’s going to tell him the Prince’s bride ran away and the idiot didn’t even ask her name.

Cinderella urges her bird friends to get Bruno, which they do, and the dog knocks Lucifer out a nine million story window.

“If that thing had nine lives, it just spent ’em all.”

Whoever made the decision to recolor the entire DVD release needs to be slapped. Repeatedly. With a 2×4.

All three of Cinderella’s Oscar nominations were related to the music, though none of them won because the Academy is dumb.

In Florida, it houses Cinderella’s Royal Table, a tiny restaurant where your little princess can dine with fellow royalty… if you make a reservation about thirty years in advance and take out a second mortgage.

I actually have eaten at Cinderella's Royal Table for breakfast. Worth every penny.

That blogger, though, posted something questionable. She posted that when Ilene Woods had Alzheimer's, the nurses playing "A Dream is a Wish Your Heart Makes" calmed her down all the way until her death. Wikipedia states it, but their is no citation for it. I think someone wrote it when Ilene Woods died just to see if it would get published, because that "info" only appeared right when she died, as I remember seeing it first when she died. I made a comment telling her about this.

Yes, I agree that the blogger has some great lines if you read her other reviews as well. Her Sleeping Beauty review is the one I posted in this forum with the fact about Merryweather's official gift for Aurora. If you want a really good laugh, I recommend her Peter Pan review which is particularly scathing.

I have to agree that it is questionable that anyone would name their cat Lucifer unless they were pure evil themselves. In which case, Cinderella's father should have known better.

The part about how the fairy godmother should have come way earlier was pretty funny as well. And it's nice to see some shade thrown at the DVD restoration as well.

Oh wow, would you mind sharing about your experience at Cinderella's Royal Table?

I've read that same story on Wikipedia multiple times so I never doubted its veracity. I've read other bloggers and Disney fans cite this story as well so I always figured it was true.

[Mooky]

1. Cinderella - one of my favorites. Although it's not as beautiful as Sleeping Beauty, I find it makes up for it with its heart. I love Cinderella as a character, I love her determination, spunk, sarcasm, empathy. Lady Tremaine is one of my favorite villains, very realistic and thus seeming even more cruel. I also really love the film's pastel color scheme, it's very dreamlike.

2. Sleeping Beauty - gorgeous to look at, even if it is a bit thin on the plot and main character development. Still, it's the ultimate fairy tale.

3. Alice in Wonderland - Alice herself is somewhat dull, but the rest of the characters make the movie. I like the designs of Wonderland creatures, they're very imaginative.

4. Peter Pan - I haven't seen this in a while, but I remember loving the sense of adventure and humor of this movie.

5. Lady and the Tramp - another one I really like, even though I haven't seen it in a long time. I get this warm, fuzzy feeling thinking about this movie, it feels like a soft blanket.

Overall, a rather strong decade for me, I either love or like each of the five films.

[Sotiris]

I didn't even know that film existed. I've just looked it up and learned it was comprised of a selection of segments from Make Mine Music and Melody Time. Do you know if some new footage of any kind was created to serve as a link between the shorts?

Supposedly, it had new a intro, transitions, and ending, but since the film has rarely been seen it's difficult to verify.

To fulfill that contract, Disney re-edited segments from Make Mine Music and Melody Time together. The shorts were the same (and the full version of those films are still in circulation today) but the film featured a new intro, new transitions between the shorts, and a new ending.

Source: https://lostmediaarchive.fandom.com/wik ... ure,_1955)

[blackcauldron85]

I've tried to rank all the Disney classics several times, but I never finish doing it mainly because I find it very hard to compare films from different eras

That must be why I'm not as intimidated ranking them in these threads, but I always put off ranking all of them!

1. Sleeping Beauty- I appreciate and love this movie more and more as I get older. I really like what we see of Aurora. "Once Upon a Dream" and "I Wonder" are such beautiful songs. Of course the look of the film is magnificent, a real visual treat. Of course the fairies are fun to watch, but also play such an important role. And Maleficent is captivating whenever she's on the scene. Phillip is kind of a dreamboat, and I like that you can tell that he has a playful side, but he's totally romantic, too. <3 Marc Davis really blessed us with this one. It's just a great film to sit back and relax with and take it all in.

2. Cinderella- One that I grew up with, and have always enjoyed. I love Cinderella's spunk, and her dreaming. I like the mice. The music is excellent. I like the Tremaines as far as villains go- villains within your own family (like Gothel) are just really despicable. I very much enjoy Lucifer as a villain. Very romantic. Always a delight to watch.

3. Peter Pan- Like Cinderella, I grew up with Peter Pan, and it's always a good time watching it. "What Makes the Red Man Red" and just that whole Native American sequence really hurt the film. The rest of the film is so good, so comforting for me.

4. (tie) For right now I'm going to have Alice in Wonderland & Lady and the Tramp be a tie- I'm too tired to nitpick and choose one. While I've always liked Alice in Wonderland, it wasn't until I was older that I have appreciated it on a different level. I think it's so fantastical, and I can just get lost in Alice's journey. It's not a film that's too serious, and it's great to just get lost in it. It's a great-looking film- I just love the colors in it. And Lady and the Tramp is such a romantic film, and I love dogs, and it has exciting moments, like with the rat, but the less exciting moments, from the Pound to the Beaver, to Jock and Trusty talking with Lady- are just as good. It's another really beautiful-looking film, and it's a pleasure to watch it.

[JeanGreyForever]

@blackcauldron85 and D82
I've had the same issue. People can so easily rank their favorite Disney characters, films, princesses, songs, villains, etc. but I'm not good at that at all. There are too many Disney films for me to classify especially when they can all be so different. Ranking by each era is a lot easier (except for the 90s where I really struggled just like you).

I think dreamboat is the perfect way to describe Phillip lol. He seems masculine but also very romantic and sweet as well which I appreciate.

I used to have dreams about being lost in Wonderland and I'd love to actually physically visit there. Luckily Alice in Wonderland has a permanent exhibit at the Please Touch Museum although it's for kids so I'd be too old to visit there again.

[Disney Duster]

I will try to read Peter Pan and maybe some of her other reviews, JeanGreyForever!

You know, there are two ways Lucifer could have his name and it be ok. If the stepmother was doing it ironically just to be hilarious, or if she thought the cat was such a bad cat, she thought the name would fit him, which, again, would be to be funny.

Oh, my gosh, Cinderella's Royal Table was so wonderful! I got a reservation and was willing to pay for me and the two friends I went with just ahead of time, really just like, I don't know, maybe 7 or 8 months ahead of time! But it was for breakfast, maybe that is less popular? So we get up early and go to the castle, and we actually get to go in and there's blue curtains with Cinderella standing in front. I feel like there could have been a throne, but I don't think so, I think I'm mixing that up with the Cinderella throne in Tokyo Disneyland's castle. Anyway, there's a line to meet her before you go into the dining room, and so I meet her after my friends either say hi or just bypass her and watch me, I forget what they did, but I talked to her the longest at least. Here's a picture, one of my favorites:



So then we go in the dining room and it is amazing. Stone columns and stained-glass windows. It's beautiful. We sit and eat one of the most delicious breakfasts I have ever had. I think I had the apple french toast. So scrumptious. And while we're eating, Ariel, Aurora, Jasmine, and I think Snow White visit us. My absolutely favorite was Ariel. If I didn't love Cinderella as much as I do, Ariel would have been my favorite character to meet at any trip to a Disney park. Whenever we told her about something kind of cool, she looked so surprised and interested with her wide eyes. I loved her! And that was Cinderella' Royal Table!

I am pretty sure that song calming her down thing is a lie, but I don't know, I'd have to interview the people there. Oh, I forgot to say, you are also so smart for thinking Cinderella was talking about herself when she tells Bruno he can't cause trouble or he'll lose his bed!

Wow, an Alice in Wonderland exhibit? SO COOL!

Mooky, omg I LOVE what you said about Cinderella, the movie and the character! I also completley agree, the color scheme is so good! That's actually part of why I love it so much...

Yes, Sleeping Beauty is the ultimate fairy tale, I must admit.

I think Alice is a great character! When she reprimands the queen it's awesome, and how she reacts to the flamingo mallots? The whole trial scene?!

I love what you said though, about all these films!

Amy, I loved reading what you said about these films!!!

[JeanGreyForever]

Yes those two reasons you said might make the most sense.

Oh wow, your experience sounds extraordinary! You are so lucky that you got a reservation even if breakfast might be easier to get. And to reserve it 7-8 months in advance, wow, I know people who don't plan vacations except for a week before lol. That picture is lovely and is must be such a precious memory to be honored enough to meet Cinderella at her own Royal Table. And I think what makes it even more incredible is that not only did you meet Cinderella, the rest of the princesses (or most of them) visited you as well. That must have been a dream come true and totally unexpected that Ariel, Aurora, Jasmine, and Snow White came to you as well as if you weren't already lucky enough to have met Cinderella. If only Belle was there, then you would have met the whole gang of original princesses but I guess I'm being greedy. I've heard that Ariel is usually the most exciting face character to talk to because she's so expressive. A lot of classic fans who love Cinderella or Snow White the most say that they aren't as interesting as Ariel.

The decor sounds great and so does that breakfast. I want to eat apple french toast myself although I've had a pear version before. I'm glad for that experience, Disney makes sure everything feels so magical and extraordinary.

It's a pretty bittersweet story so I'm not sure if I'm happy or sad that it isn't true. Oh and thanks, I don't think it's that big of a deal because plenty of people seem to have figured it out by themselves and not just me, such as yourself.

Yes, it's a pretty fun experience and I think it was set in a lower level of the museum so it really feels like you're going underground to visit Wonderland like the real Alice did. It's a kids museum so I recommend it for anyone who has kids to go to.

I think Sleeping Beauty was referred to as the ultimate fairy tale in one of its home video trailers. Maybe the Platinum or Diamond one or maybe it was the 90s re-release one.

[blackcauldron85]

Um, I was up past my bedtime and clearly was not thinking. Um, I usually rank Alice even higher than Cinderella... maybe as a whole in my Top 20 Alice sits higher, but comparing the films of the era, it's not? That doesn't even make sense. It's a hard era to rank!!! Alice & Cinderella & Peter Pan are all different, so I guess it depends on my mood? If I want pure fantasy, fairy tale/romance, or adventure?

Luckily Alice in Wonderland has a permanent exhibit at the Please Touch Museum although it's for kids so I'd be too old to visit there again.

Wow, I've never heard of that- I just looked it up. I'm shuddering because now it's the age of Corona, but that's super neat!!! (And it says it's in Philadelphia for anyone wondering. I wonder if it was around when I was a kid, because my grandparents lived in Pennsylvania and they never took me!)

OMG, DD, I love the picture! Do you remember what you & Cinderella were talking about?!!

I think Alice is a great character! When she reprimands the queen it's awesome, and how she reacts to the flamingo mallots? The whole trial scene?!

Yes! I'm having deja-vu; I know we've both mentioned before how great Alice's expressions are!!

I want to eat apple french toast myself although I've had a pear version before.

Not to get too off-topic, but I <3 food. Were these apple and pear French toasts stuffed with the fruit or it was placed on top? Was it like a pie filling? (Haven't eaten breakfast yet, sorry! )

[D82]

Honestly I'm surprised that social media hasn't attacked What Makes the Red Man Red because out of Disney's entire library, that's the sequence I consider to be the most racist.

I used to like the song as a child because of its catchy tune, but I didn't understand yet back then how insensitive to Native Americans it actually is. Yeah, it must be one of their most racist moments. Though, there are also a couple of live-action films from Disney I hadn't seen until recently that have characters or scenes that I found quite racist too. One of them is One of Our Dinosaurs Is Missing from 1975. There the villain and his henchmen are all Chinese but played by white people (at least the main ones, maybe there are some background characters who are actually Asian). There isn't any Chinese character who is part of the good guys, though they made the villain (Peter Ustinov) a bit likeable, and they're portrayed as incompetent and stupid. The other film is The Ugly Dachshund from 1966. That one's not that racist, but there are a couple of scenes where two Japanese characters appear and they're portrayed as cowards and ridiculed. I know it's a comedy and they're not the only characters who are made fun of, but it can't be a coincidence that Asian characters are depicted that way in more than one film.

Lady must have explained to them why she was locked up in the dog pound including how she spent the night with Tramp before and learned he is a womanizer and not dependable.

It gives the impression it's the first time they meet after she is released from the dog pound, but I guess you're right and they must have talked before, even though it's not shown to us. Well, the scene certainly makes more sense to me now knowing that, though I still don't understand how Jock and Trusty planned to fulfill their promise had she accepted the proposition, as they don't really have the power to decide if she can live with them but their human owners.

D82, I never noticed that about Tinker Bell's design shapes. But I have always loved her design anyway!

I want to clarify that what I said about her design is not something official; I haven't read it anywhere, so I could be wrong. One of my favorite aspects of animation is character design and I've always liked to contemplate the characters and study how they have been designed, but I'm not an expert on the subject. I know character designers sometimes repeat shapes and colors in a design, I guess to make it more harmonious, and I'd say that those repeated shapes are not accidental in this case, but maybe I'm reading too much into the design. Here's a picture to illustrate what I meant better, and you can judge for yourselves if you think it's intentional or not (I've marked the round shapes in red and the pointy ones in blue):

Supposedly, it had new a intro, transitions, and ending, but since the film has rarely been seen it's difficult to verify.

To fulfill that contract, Disney re-edited segments from Make Mine Music and Melody Time together. The shorts were the same (and the full version of those films are still in circulation today) but the film featured a new intro, new transitions between the shorts, and a new ending.

Source: https://lostmediaarchive.fandom.com/wik ... ure,_1955)

Thanks for the info! It's a shame we can't have access to the new stuff made for this release or know what it was like. Though perhaps it wasn't anything too interesting. If the segments were all recycled from previous movies, they probably didn't put much effort into the rest either.

@blackcauldron85 and D82
I've had the same issue. People can so easily rank their favorite Disney characters, films, princesses, songs, villains, etc. but I'm not good at that at all.

Me neither. For a long time, I didn't participate in any ranking here even though I wanted to and I think they're fun, because of how difficult it was for me to make them. Now that I have more practice I find it a bit easier, but it still takes me a lot of time and I'm never completely satisfied with my rankings after I post them.

While I've always liked Alice in Wonderland, it wasn't until I was older that I have appreciated it on a different level.

Me too. When I was a child, though I liked it visually and I enjoyed many moments from it, I wasn't a big fan of the film because I found most of the characters in Wonderland unlikable and I guess I didn't like that they were left unpunished at the end. Now, however, I don't mind that at all and I'm able to appreciate the film much more. It's actually a very original movie and quite different from other Disney classics. It's also very funny. I finally ranked it last, but I should've made a triple tie and put it in third position alongside Peter Pan and Lady and the Tramp because right now I like those three titles more or less the same.

[JeanGreyForever]

Honestly I'm surprised that social media hasn't attacked What Makes the Red Man Red because out of Disney's entire library, that's the sequence I consider to be the most racist.

I used to like the song as a child because of its catchy tune, but I didn't understand yet back then how insensitive to Native Americans it actually is. Yeah, it must be one of their most racist moments. Though, there are also a couple of live-action films from Disney I hadn't seen until recently that have characters or scenes that I found quite racist too. One of them is One of Our Dinosaurs Is Missing from 1975. There the villain and his henchmen are all Chinese but played by white people (at least the main ones, maybe there are some background characters who are actually Asian). There isn't any Chinese character who is part of the good guys, though they made the villain (Peter Ustinov) a bit likeable, and they're portrayed as incompetent and stupid. The other film is The Ugly Dachshund from 1966. That one's not that racist, but there are a couple of scenes where two Japanese characters appear and they're portrayed as cowards and ridiculed. I know it's a comedy and they're not the only characters who are made fun of, but it can't be a coincidence that Asian characters are depicted that way in more than one film.

Lady must have explained to them why she was locked up in the dog pound including how she spent the night with Tramp before and learned he is a womanizer and not dependable.

It gives the impression it's the first time they meet after she is released from the dog pound, but I guess you're right and they must have talked before, even though it's not shown to us. Well, the scene certainly makes more sense to me now knowing that, though I still don't understand how Jock and Trusty planned to fulfill their promise had she accepted the proposition, as they don't really have the power to decide if she can live with them but their human owners.

@blackcauldron85 and D82
I've had the same issue. People can so easily rank their favorite Disney characters, films, princesses, songs, villains, etc. but I'm not good at that at all.

Me neither. For a long time, I didn't participate in any ranking here even though I wanted to and I think they're fun, because of how difficult it was for me to make them. Now that I have more practice I find it a bit easier, but it still takes me a lot of time and I'm never completely satisfied with my rankings after I post them.

While I've always liked Alice in Wonderland, it wasn't until I was older that I have appreciated it on a different level.

Me too. When I was a child, though I liked it visually and I enjoyed many moments from it, I wasn't a big fan of the film because I found most of the characters in Wonderland unlikable and I guess I didn't like that they were left unpunished at the end. Now, however, I don't mind that at all and I'm able to appreciate the film much more. It's actually a very original movie and quite different from other Disney classics. It's also very funny. I finally ranked it last, but I should've made a triple tie and put it in third position alongside Peter Pan and Lady and the Tramp because right now I like those three titles more or less the same.

It amazes me that people consider Song of the South to be Disney's most racist film when What Makes the Red Man Red is just lying around and not even pretending to not be problematic. The crows in Dumbo and Si & Am in Lady and the Tramp were criticized and not used in merch anymore so how come Disney never spoke up against their treatment of Native American characters? I hope they don't think that creating Pocahontas was enough to remedy that. You're right that the live-action films could be just as bad and I had this same conversation with Avaitor. The Love Bug has caricatures of Chinese people and Savage Sam was so insulting to Native Americans.

Jock and Trusty are both aware of how Tramp treated Lady because they express their anger at him. For that to have ocurred, Lady would have had to have told them what happened to her. Not to mention they aren't surprised that she's locked up in the dog house like Tramp was. Yes, I'm not sure either how Jock or Trusty planned on marrying Lady. Even if she left her owners because she felt unwanted, surely they'd notice if she's suddenly living next door and why would the neighbors just take the Darlings' dog like that? I'm guessing Jock or Trusty thought that being her neighbor, they could get married without having to live together.

Same, I want to change my rankings almost always as soon as I've finished them. I'm in shock at people who can rank all the DACs in one go.

Alice in Wonderland seems to be a film either people resonate with or they don't. Same with the book. I always loved the book and I've probably read it the most out of any book so naturally the film was also a favorite of mine. A lot of Walt-era films used to be available for free on YouTube so I could easily watch Alice whenever I was on a trip (Sleeping Beauty, Lady and the Tramp, Fantasia, and Pinocchio were also readily available back then). I'm surprised you felt the Wonderland characters needed to be punished though, most of them weren't really bad. If anything, they felt Alice was infringing upon them.

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Um, I was up past my bedtime and clearly was not thinking. Um, I usually rank Alice even higher than Cinderella... maybe as a whole in my Top 20 Alice sits higher, but comparing the films of the era, it's not? That doesn't even make sense. It's a hard era to rank!!! Alice & Cinderella & Peter Pan are all different, so I guess it depends on my mood? If I want pure fantasy, fairy tale/romance, or adventure?

Luckily Alice in Wonderland has a permanent exhibit at the Please Touch Museum although it's for kids so I'd be too old to visit there again.

Wow, I've never heard of that- I just looked it up. I'm shuddering because now it's the age of Corona, but that's super neat!!! (And it says it's in Philadelphia for anyone wondering. I wonder if it was around when I was a kid, because my grandparents lived in Pennsylvania and they never took me!)

I want to eat apple french toast myself although I've had a pear version before.

Not to get too off-topic, but I <3 food. Were these apple and pear French toasts stuffed with the fruit or it was placed on top? Was it like a pie filling? (Haven't eaten breakfast yet, sorry! )

The funny thing is I had the same experience. In the top 5 film thread, I ranked Alice above Cinderella yet for some reason here, I put it below Cinderella.

Needless to say it's been shut down and probably will be for some time. I went there about 10 or so years ago because I lived in Philly for a summer. I googled the museum and I think it opened in 1976.

It was a pear compote so it was placed on top. There was a vanilla sauce as well to dip the french toast in. That's so interesting that it's breakfast time for you because it's nearly midnight for me.