Remaining Films

[Mooky]

Besides, albogango said he doesn't count package features as canon either and I don't see anyone harping on him for that.

My post was targeted towards the exclusion of DACs, not in the exclusion of the CG DACs.

In that case, my deepest apologies.

Hand-drawn animation is also my favorite medium, not just over CG but over stop-motion as well and I have to admit that the medium used does play a factor on how much I will love a movie or not. However, I don't consider hand-drawn animation better than the other animation mediums. They all have their strengths and limitations and ideally the medium chosen serves the nature of the story first and foremost. (But most of the time that doesn't happen unfortunately.) It is indeed about personal taste and the set of aesthetics one adheres to.

You just pretty much described my own feelings about the matter. I don't think I could have said it better myself. Thank you.

And all of you could have just chosen to ignore it (since all CG films have already been released to BD) and answered his question as asked.

But the package films haven't been released and they should be included.

True, but that still wasn't what OP inquired about. He specifically said which films he was interested in and package features weren't among them.

Well, yes, but don't you think that at that point they knew that by including Dinosaur they'd make Tangled their No. 50. C'mon, this didn't happen in 2000 or 2003 or 2006. In 2008, Tangled's production was heavily underway.

No, I don't think they did because Tangled was initially supposed to come after Bolt. It was due to unforeseen story problems that it got pushed back and ended up being the the 50th.

Unforeseen story problems? Forgive my paranoia, but that sounds too much like Snow Queen's "story problems". Even if true, they sure didn't fix it much .

[Lnds500]

I have a question:
Why is everyone saying "these will come in 2013 or early 2014?" Why can't they come later? Is that when Disney All Access is supposed to wipe out physical format?

I am really hoping all will come on blu-ray, and I am hoping Sleeping Beauty gets repackaged too, because I missed it the first time around.

Cause we have close to 20 titles left (titles which haven't been announced anywhere in the world yet) and Disney has released 13-14 titles in 2012 alone.

[Sotiris]

Unforeseen story problems? Forgive my paranoia, but that sounds too much like Snow Queen's "story problems". Even if true, they sure didn't fix it much .

That's a different story. Snow Queen got shelved because it was hand-drawn and a fairytale. Due to the undeperformance of TPatF at the box office which was also both, a hand-drawn fairytale was considered unprofitable. When Tangled became a success, which was a fairytale but in CG, they simply revived Snow Queen as a CG project. In this case, "story problems" did seem as a pretext, evident in that the director and the creative team remained the same on both incarnations of the film.

With Rapunzel, it was truly a matter of creative differences. Glen Keane wanted to tell a more mature, more somber story but that's not what Lasseter had in mind. Lasseter then assigned Dean Wellins as a co-director but when Glen suffered a heart attack and had to leave for six months, Lasseter took the opportunity to assign Byron Howard and Nathan Greno to the project. He was familiar with their work on Bolt and agreed with their storytelling approach.

Personally, I would have preferred if we had gotten Glen's version instead.

[Mooky]

That's a different story. Snow Queen got shelved because it was hand-drawn and a fairytale. Due to the undeperformance of TPatF at the box office which was also both, a hand-drawn fairytale was considered unprofitable. When Tangled became a success, which was a fairytale but in CG, they simply revived Snow Queen as a CG project. In this case, "story problems" did seem as a pretext, evident in that the director and the creative team remained the same on both incarnations of the film.

With Rapunzel, it was truly a matter of creative differences. Glen Keane wanted to tell a more mature, more somber story but that's not what Lasseter had in mind. Lasseter then assigned Dean Wellins as a co-director but when Glen suffered a heart attack and had to leave for six months, Lasseter took the opportunity to assign Byron Howard and Nathan Greno to the project. He was familiar with their work on Bolt and agreed with their storytelling approach.

Thanks for the clarification. A part of me still thinks Tangled was deliberately pushed back, and whatever story issues the movie had were the perfect excuse.

Personally, I would have preferred if we had gotten Glen's version instead.

You and me both.

[SWillie!]

Personally, I would have preferred if we had gotten Glen's version instead.

You and me both.

Thrice, sista.

[qindarka]

I don't. It's so easy to pine for what was lost and think that it would be automatically better than what we have.

[SWillie!]

I don't. It's so easy to pine for what was lost and think that it would be automatically better than what we have.

Iiiiiiit... was Glen Keane.

[DisneyAnimation88]

I don't. It's so easy to pine for what was lost and think that it would be automatically better than what we have.

I agree. It's the same thing with The Emperor's New Groove/Kingdom of the Sun and Bolt/American Dog, there's really no way of knowing which version would have been better without knowing a lot more about the versions we never saw. We might know of plots and characters and seen different pieces of concept art but if you were to put all of those elements together, whose to say it would have worked any better than the films we ended up with?

[PatrickvD]

There's often a reason why they decide to start over or go in a different direction. It's easy for us to sit here and judge. We weren't there.

[Khonnor]

Just to stay on topic....these are my predictions (for the US).

2013
Saludos Amigos & The Three Caballeros: 70th Anniversary 2-Movie Collection (DVD+Blu-Ray)

Peter Pan: 60th Anniversary Diamond Edition (DVD+Blu-Ray)

Peter Pan In Return To Neverland: Special Edition (DVD+Blu-Ray)

101 Dalmatians: 2-Movie Collection (2DVD+Blu-Ray)

The Sword In The Stone: 50th Anniversary Edition (DVD+Blu-Ray)

Robin Hood: 40th Anniversary Edition (DVD+Blu-Ray)

Oliver And Company: 25th Anniversary Edition (DVD+Blu-Ray)

The Little Mermaid: 25th Anniversary Diamond Edition (DVD+Blu-Ray)

The Little Mermaid: Return To The Sea & Ariel's Beginning: Special Edition (2DVD+Blu-Ray)

Aladdin: 20th Anniversary Diamond Edition (DVD+Blu-Ray)

The Return Of Jafar & The King Of Thieves: Special Edition (2DVD+Blu-Ray)

Mulan: 15th Anniversary 2-Movie Collection (2DVD+Blu-Ray)

Tarzan: 2-Movie Collection (2DVD+Blu-Ray)

Lilo & Stitch: 2-Movie Collection (2DVD+Blu-Ray)

Wreck-It Ralph (DVD+2Blu-Ray)




2014

Pinocchio: 75th Anniversary Diamond Edition (DVD+Blu-Ray)

Make Mine Music & Fun And Fancy Free: 2-Movie Collection (DVD+Blu-Ray)

Melody Time & The Adventures Of Ichabod And Mr. Toad: 2-Movie Collection (DVD+Blu-Ray)

Sleeping Beauty: 55th Anniversary Diamond Edition (DVD+Blu-Ray)

The Jungle Book: Diamond Edition (DVD+Blu-Ray)

The Jungle Book 2: Special Edition (DVD+Blu-Ray)

The Many Adventures Of Winnie The Pooh (DVD+Blu-Ray)

The Black Cauldron: 30th Anniversary Edition (DVD+Blu-Ray)

The Hunchback Of Notre Dame: 2-Movie Collection (2DVD+Blu-Ray)

Hercules (DVD+Blu-Ray)

The Emperor's New Groove: 2-Movie Collection (2DVD+Blu-Ray)

Frozen (DVD+2Blu-Ray)

[Wonderlicious]

You have a valid point there. They're being inconsistent. What bothers me a bit is that they included animated/live-action hybrid films like The Three Caballeros and Dinosaur but didn't include others like Mary Poppins, Pete's Dragon etc.

Fully agreed. Running time of some of the features also bothers me, namely Saludos Amigos at 40 minutes or so.

Films like The Three Caballeros and Dinosaur are essentially animated films with a bit of live-action thrown in, whereas Mary Poppins, Bedknobs and Broomsticks and others are conversely live-action films with short animated interludes. Despite its very short length, Saludos Amigos was ultimately released as a major feature attraction. Its title song was also nominated for an Oscar, and it even got a re-release in the late 1940s (something most package features didn't get).

I will admit that the place of The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh in the canon seems a bit confusing, especially given how many feature-length compilations of shorts have been released over the years. I suppose the one thing going for it is that it seems there was a concious effort to make it gel together as a single feature film, and also one has to take into account that a feature film was part of the original intention.

In any case, I wouldn't take the Disney canon too seriously as to consider it as being the exhaustive list on what's what. If I were writing an academic paper on Disney animation, for example, I would definitely refer to the main canon as written out by Disney, but I would make it known that a significant noteworthy number of Disney animated films also exist and must be acknowledged (e.g. part-animated films like Mary Poppins and Who Framed Roger Rabbit, Pixar films, animated shorts, stop-motion features). Indeed, a lot of these "counter-canon" films can definitely be upheld as classics in a way that a good number of the films official canon list can't.

Aaaaaaaaand back to the topic at hand. I would expect Disney to release a lot of their remaining animated films on Blu-Ray next year, I could imagine they will still be putting stuff out in 2014 and maybe even later. It has been said that Aladdin, Mulan, Peter Pan and The Little Mermaid are definitely coming, and I could also imagine at the very least that we'll see Robin Hood and The Sword in the Stone (considering their respective 40th and 50th anniversaries are next year).

[milojthatch]

Yes, it is my understanding that the good people at Disney Home Entertainment intends on getting every Disney Animated Classic on Blu-ray in the next few years. It is their number one goal and project right now. It's just a matter of waiting. As for the extras on said Blu-rays or the continuation of including DTV films on various DAC's, if you care about extras, don't get rid of your DVD's!