Pixar's "It Gets Better" video

[Goliath]

Gays & lesbians have always been a part of this industry & clearly, will continue to do so. If Ursala being based on the drag queen named Divine didn't stop you from loving the company - than this shouldn't either.

Excellent point. If milo wants to be consequential, he'd have to stop watching any of the post-1985 films. Either Howard Ashman worked on it, or Andreas Deja, or Dean DuBlois, or --gasp!-- all of them together. So if milo doesn't want to be a hypocrite, he shouldn't watch any of those films.

Here's the thing. You can label me crazy, but I think people have the right to disagree with many aspects of gay life. Much like how people don't agree on other life points like love, politics, religion, and entertainment. It's called having different points of views.

I strongly disagree. You can't "disagree" with "the gay lifestyle", because there's nothing to "disagree" about, because... and here's the key point... it is NOT "a lifestyle". Your comparison is invalid, because you can *choose* your political beliefs and your religion. But you *can't* choose to be homosexual. Either you are, or you aren't. Now, the reason milo is so hateful of gays, is because his religion doesn't acknowledge that being gay is something you're born with. In his religion, there's not something like "being gay". There's just straight people committing a sin. Scientific evidence be damned. But hey, that's religion for you...

[Prince Edward]

SWillie!: I totally agree with you. And if growing up as Disney-fans should have thaught us anything, it's that people should be free to be who they are without beeing treated badly. Quasimodo from The Hunchback of Notre Dame comes to my mind, and almost every Disney-movie has a moral to the story: follow your dreams, be yourself, be good to other people no matter what or who they are etc, etc.

Goliath has a very valid point as well. There are no "gay lifestyle", because people can't chose something like being straight or gay. One can chose to be atheist or religious, liberal or conservative, but one can not chose to fall in love with a boy or a girl. And anyway, what's the harm in being gay? Why does that even trouble other people, why does some straight people care so much about this? Are people homophobes only because of lack of information and ignorance?

[Super Aurora]

I never got bullied even though I had hearing impairment(mainly cause I very perceptive and can quickly learn and adapt to Society norms very easily) but I can see how a victim from bullying does go through.

I think Milo wording is bit wrong here. I don't think he really belittling gays or anything mean for the matter. I think what's he saying he's tired of hearing/seeing is how rather than find ways to easily adapt or subliminally intergrat into society without any confliction, many gays go aboasting "GAY PRIDE MuthaFuckers, Like us or your homophobe, bitch!" or "Yeah we got accepted! points for us gays!"

And by gay lifestyle- i think he refering to stuff like Gay parades and such. Like do we really ned to see that. Granted it's freedom of speech so I see they can't do it. But I think he trying to say how it feels like it being thrown in his face.
It's like if I or other constantly have Deaf parades just to ell people we're just as good as you hearing people or whatever.

It screams "attention whoring". I think that's how he's arguing about.

For instant, it's like I constantly and pridefully boast my hearing impairment and that if you denounce it you are anti-deaf devil or some shit. or that I got happy-happy over someone making some great annoucnement over something for deaf or whatnot.


Instead I usually kept the information more to myself or not speak about it all that much since I have no reason or purpose doing so. I just go about idlely my usual ways. I dunno.

I think that's why I don't get usual hating or bullied cause I handle it in way that people able to accept it without having go through it or something.

[DancingCrab]

Super Aurora, that doesn't really make any sense as a defense for what milo said. Not once in Pixar's It Gets Better video did they even remotely say anything as vile as "GAY PRIDE MuthaF***ers, Like us or you're homophobes, bitch!" so IF that's the kind of behavior that bugs someone, they need to take it up with people actually saying it, and NO ONE did that in the video about "hope and love" that milo was "offended" by.

You don't need to make excuses for anyone either, if milo has anything to say or explain, they can do it for themselves. This was obviously a religious founded smear, in which case, there are NO excuses.

[Disney Duster]

milojthatch, did you even watch the video, and see how some of these people tried not to be gay and tried to hide it or deny it? But they couldn't, because they realized that it was who they are, unchangeable. Soem of them wanted to kill themselves because they knew who they were and they thought they couldn't live anymore as who they were. It's not a lifestyle or a choice.

And countless people who are gay also feel God loves them and is okay with them being gay. And that's how you believe in something, like God. You feel it. And that's what they feel.

Super Aurora...please...

If someone is very proud of being deaf, I would welcome them to say it, I would think it was nice. I don't know how many people are proud of being deaf because I think most people wish they weren't deaf.

However, most people that are gay, even though they get hate thrown at them for it, like it, they are proud of it, and they celebrate it.

Also, the reason we have gay pride is because we've been so hated for so long we want to come back at that, I think.

But honestly, a gay pride parade is like...a parade for any kind of culture or a parade of people who don't represent all of the world, but one group that is just...proud of who they are. I mean, not everyone celebrates Christmas and there's Christmas parades!

[Goliath]

Why does that even trouble other people, why does some straight people care so much about this? Are people homophobes only because of lack of information and ignorance?

Religion, religion, religion. People are "against" the homosexual "lifestyle" because their God thinks it's a sin.

I think Milo wording is bit wrong here. I don't think he really belittling gays or anything mean for the matter. I think what's he saying he's tired of hearing/seeing is how rather than find ways to easily adapt or subliminally intergrat into society without any confliction, many gays go aboasting "GAY PRIDE MuthaFuckers, Like us or your homophobe, bitch!" or "Yeah we got accepted! points for us gays!"

And by gay lifestyle- i think he refering to stuff like Gay parades and such. Like do we really ned to see that.

How the fuck should gays "adapt" into society? What does that even mean? You say it like they're abnormal --that's how you make it sound. How do you mean, "adapt"? They're citizens like you and me, but they just have a different sexual preference. Some of them are extravagant, yes, but that's not a specifically "gay" thing. Lots of straight people in all walks of life can be seen as "eccentric", yet we never say they should "integrate", now do we? If they want to have a gay pride, why should that bother you? In a free society, you can dress and behave any way you want. If somebody doesn't like that, tough luck. That goes for straight people and gay people alike.

Saying gay people should "integrate" or "adapt" is hurtful --even if that's not your intention. It's a DUMB thing to say.

Granted it's freedom of speech so I see they can't do it. But I think he trying to say how it feels like it being thrown in his face.
It's like if I or other constantly have Deaf parades just to ell people we're just as good as you hearing people or whatever.

It screams "attention whoring". I think that's how he's arguing about.

Yeah, just like those "attention whores" Dr. King and Rosa Parks. They just wanted attention. They marched for equal rights and against discrimination just because of their own ego's. If only they had sat back quietly, the people would have accepted them and granted them their rights much sooner...

[gardener14]

I've always loved Disney and, in more recent years, Pixar, but this video just brought that to a whole new level. My admiration now goes far beyond the entertainment they provide because now I respect them for being part of a very human and heartfelt issue. I can hardly believe the love and heart that went into this video and the support from one of my favorite companies. Thank you Pixar and all the employees for sharing your stories.

[Duckburger]

Thar be gayz in mah Pixar - no ways!!!!11

In all seriousness, that was very heartfelt. I'm glad that they felt like helping out gay kids who are having trouble with bullying by putting their stories out there - even though you wouldn't expect something like this from a Disney subsidary, for obvious (and now apparant) reasons. I image that work morale is pretty high over at Pixar seeing how they appear to be one close group.

For those that don't like the message, don't watch it. It's not mandatory. And threatening to boycott a company for this video is rather futile if you ask me.

[Super Aurora]

man I knew people would come bashing at me LOL.

anyway...

Super Aurora, that doesn't really make any sense as a defense for what milo said.

Not once in Pixar's It Gets Better video did they even remotely say anything as vile as "GAY PRIDE MuthaF***ers, Like us or you're homophobes, bitch!"

i was making an extreme example -___-. Of course it didn't say that in the video.

so IF that's the kind of behavior that bugs someone, they need to take it up with people actually saying it, and NO ONE did that in the video about "hope and love" that milo was "offended" by.

I don't recall once in his post, he was offended by the message of "hope and love" if so, please point to it.

You don't need to make excuses for anyone either, if milo has anything to say or explain, they can do it for themselves. This was obviously a religious founded smear, in which case, there are NO excuses.

I'm only trying to make a guess at his explanation and what he's trying to say. No need to get fussy about it. Because, because in truth, not everything taken the way people intend to mean it and when people misunderstands someone and cause backlash at them with out looking into what they could possibly mean, it only cause more problems.

If someone is very proud of being deaf, I would welcome them to say it, I would think it was nice. I don't know how many people are proud of being deaf because I think most people wish they weren't deaf.

The point I'm making is that not everyone make a big deal out of their own "problems" or differences they have, myself included. I have no mean or purpose to do so. And i'm doing fine.

However, most people that are gay, even though they get hate thrown at them for it, like it, they are proud of it, and they celebrate it.

that's fine. No problem. However, not everyone cares about it. (that doesn't mean they hate them either)

Also, the reason we have gay pride is because we've been so hated for so long we want to come back at that, I think.

If that's the case then we should have black parades and Jewish parade, etc because they also been oppress for so long.

But honestly, a gay pride parade is like...a parade for any kind of culture or a parade of people who don't represent all of the world, but one group that is just...proud of who they are. I mean, not everyone celebrates Christmas and there's Christmas parades!

Good point. though not many people would interpret it that way.
Keep in mind that I've been to one in in NYC. They can be fun and I did enjoy it. But at same time I didn't feel ...connected to it either.

How the fuck should gays "adapt" into society? What does that even mean? You say it like they're abnormal --that's how you make it sound. How do you mean, "adapt"?

Forgive me for wording it it wrong. What i trying to point it out as is that even if you have a some thing that "isn't the norm" by society standard, you shouldn't let that get you and that you can still have a good and successful life with many friend etc, even if you don't go out constantly parading yourself about it or go about bashing every time someone belittle your problems.

I'm going to use myself as an example again. I'm hearing impaired-deaf in my right ear and 75% hearing loss in my left. That shit is very very difficult to manage. You have pay attention and work ten times harder to listen what being said or learn than someone with a regular and have make sure your speaker is focusing on you so you can read their lips-and know what's being said. But even despite all that fucking shit I have go through, it doesn't bother me and i have no need to parade myself proudly telling people i'm hearing impaired. I know i'm hearing impaired. It's no one's business but mine's If they ask me, i'll just casually address it.

They're citizens like you and me, but they just have a different sexual preference.

Yeah i'm not denying that.

Some of them are extravagant, yes, but that's not a specifically "gay" thing. Lots of straight people in all walks of life can be seen as "eccentric", yet we never say they should "integrate", now do we?

again I worded it wrong. though I haven't seen a straight parade though. If there is one. Let me know.

If they want to have a gay pride, why should that bother you? In a free society, you can dress and behave any way you want. If somebody doesn't like that, tough luck. That goes for straight people and gay people alike.[/quote ]It doesn't to me. Just saying what Milo might have in mind.
But I will bring up one point though, If that the case, I guess you're fine with the KKK parades we have here also.
And I know you definitely hate that.

i meant more like they should let haters bother them.

true that is a point but it got the message across clearly for once and they got their rights, and thus they don't do anymore after that. Also the rights restricted for blacks were much more tighten and did more effect on black's rights than it does with the gays now. After blacks won their rights, they stop doing all of that. and yet even though they got their rights now fully granted, there will always be some sort of racism. in the air. You can't change that. no one can.
The gay nowadays have more rights than blacks ever gotten at the time. And especially now, where many states now are granting even gay marriages and obama repealing that army rule, I saw no need to still do it. You got what you wanted.







ok i'll sit back now and let the raging go.

[JustOneBite87]

The video is wonderful, without question. I can't express how much my love for Pixar has just ballooned to enormous proportions in the last few minutes since viewing this thread.



Forum members here have related some very beautiful and articulate sentiments beyond what I would be able to conjure up have already been expressed towards the earlier homophobic remarks from a certain forum member. A member who has now lost my respect entirely as a contributing member on this message board.


It's quite unfortunate that homophobia is still quite prevalent throughout much of the United States. It's also quite sad that there are millions of individuals out there who carry homophobic views who are nearly entirely ignorant and oblivious of the significant contribution gay individuals have made to their lives as a whole.


Whether homophobia stems from religious background, lack of education, or just personal hatred, it is wrong. Try and prove otherwise. I dare you.

To hate someone for being gay is the same as hating someone for being heterosexual. Human beings cannot control who they are physically, emotionally, and mentally attracted to. We are born the way we are and we love who we love. Straight people should be THANKING us for not contributing to the already brutal competition in the world of hetero-dating. Why, many gay men are so beautiful that it wouldn't even be fair to many of the poor straight chaps if we dated women

[ajmrowland]

as much as i love the video and the effort made, i cant help but think they're just a tad late to the party.

[DancingCrab]

The gay nowadays have more rights than blacks ever gotten at the time. And especially now, where many states now are granting even gay marriages and obama repealing that army rule, I saw no need to still do it. You got what you wanted.

Ok, this shows you clearly don't understand how far we have to go in getting equal rights. I'd tell you to do a little more homework, but I get the impression it's not a big enough deal to you to do so, and that's fair enough. But right now, even though we have made leaps and bounds, gays are still not considered as equal citizens in the eyes of the law, and BECAUSE we are so close now, the opposition is striking harder than ever. You don't sit back because you've ALMOST broken through a door and say, ok, we got some of our rights, let's go back to leaving the poor ignoramuses alone.

You continue on until you have the victory you seek.

also, ajmrowland, every day, new teens are developing suicidal thoughts, so there is no such thing as being too late to this party.

[Disney Duster]

Super Aurora, I'm glad we seem to have come to an understanding.

I just want to also bring up that actually during St. Patrick's Day they have Irish Pride Parades or at least Irish Pride things.

There's also Celtic Fest and festivals for other ethnicities and cultures and groups, and that includes ones for gay people, too.

Now, a gay parade is just like that. We asked to have a parade, they let us. If other groups ask to have parades, then maybe they would get them, it would depend. But gay people just really love being flashy and showing who they are and maybe you wouldn't be in a deaf parade but if there was a Berserk fans parade you would make a costume and weild your sword on one of their floats!

Now that I think about it Black History Month is like a really long Black Pride Parade, lol.

[magicalwands]

as much as i love the video and the effort made, i cant help but think they're just a tad late to the party.

They were busy making Toy Story 3 and fixing Cars 2!

[Super Aurora]

but if there was a Berserk fans parade you would make a costume and weild your sword on one of their floats!

Actually I wouldn't but I'd still support it.



Now that I think about it Black History Month is like a really long Black Pride Parade, lol.[/quote]

I forgot all about that. then again there's also hispanic and gay month too I believe.


And dancingcrabby, What I said in previous two post is not my reflection on my views on gays. Too be honest, I really have no opinions of other groups. I see people as people. Not Gays, not blacks, not white, not jews etc.

SO I dunno why you getting all prissy and shit.

Although I do admit that I enjoy racist/religious/gay jokes. But that's just my sense of humor.

[Disney's Divinity]

It seems as though whenever videos like this pop up - people assume that a question is being asked. It appears to me that generally speaking, the first thought that pops into most peoples head is weather or not they agree for themselves, with the ideas of being gay. Maybe it's a way of thinking that has crept into our society today but it seems to me that this selfishness is in abundance among us all.

If somebody you knew or cared about came to you to confess that maybe they've had a bad day, the worst thing to do would be to bring the conversation back to YOU & bring up how bad YOUR day has been or to say those dreaded words, "I understand but..." Because quite honestly, you don't understand & it would be quite selfish to turn the conversation's focus back around to you when all this other person wanted was maybe someone to listen to, no?

... If the first thought you had after viewing this video was "I don't agree with being gay but..." then maybe you missed the point.

Summed up my feelings exactly. Whenever something remotely gay-related occurs, people seem to think this is the time for them to give their personal opinion on whether or not they're okay with homosexuality. As if their personal opinion on someone's sexuality is the point of gay marriage laws, repealing don't ask, don't tell, or media stories about teen suicides and bullying. This isn't about you. It's about the right of everyone living within this country to live any way they choose--whether you like it or not is of absolutely no consequence.

Won't bother replying to milo. He's obviously a troll who makes comments to instigate outrage, and he's got what he wanted. Now he can feel vindicated for his inflammatory language, and continue to feel (out of some deformed reasoning) that he's the "outcast" or a "rebel" who's been unjustly persecuted. I'm sure many anti-gays have been strapped to a fence and beaten to death, tortured, or burnt at the stake. Yes, this is a very serious problem.

[SillySymphony]

Pixar may, but I can't say I support the It's Get Better Project. Why? Because as a professing Christian I won't compromise my beliefs. No one should be bullied and suicide should always be prevented, but this campaign's main principle is that it's ok to be LGBT.
At the very root of the problem, it's not the people I don't agree with, it's the principle which is contrary to the Bible, God's Word.

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I want to gently and with love share some links with you all. They pertain to my views on same-sex relationships and tolerance in general. They will be offensive to some, but should I sacrifice truth and my beliefs over supposed tolerance? No.

Trading Truth for Tolerance?
http://www.answersingenesis.org/article ... -tolerance

In Indianapolis, Indiana (USA), the [same-sex acceptance] campaign included billboards and yard signs stating: “Would Jesus discriminate?” A Christian conservative group distributed a responding radio message which said, “Not only did Jesus discriminate, He is going to discriminate again.”1 Although Jesus did not and will not discriminate on the basis of one’s skin color, He did and will discriminate on the basis of an individual’s obedience or disobedience to His Word.

Responding to Tolerance
http://www.answersingenesis.org/article ... -tolerance

Webster’s dictionary describes tolerance as “the act or practice of tolerating especially: sympathy or indulgence for beliefs or practices differing from one’s own.”

The politically correct tolerance we see practiced—or rather extracted—today goes way beyond a mere sympathy or indulgence for a set of beliefs peculiar to one’s own. This contemporary pseudo-tolerance has actually become a mask for intolerance.

How do you explain this man's miraculous new life in Christ if he "can't change who he is"?

Talks by 'ex-gay' Anchorage man spark debate at UAF
http://www.adn.com/2009/09/17/938612/ta ... e-man.html

An evangelist has stirred up controversy at the University of Alaska Fairbanks with a series of lectures about how he went from a gay teenager to a straight born-again Christian and happily married father.

Common courtesy: Respect each others views. We may not agree with each other in what we believe, but we can at the very least be civil and polite discussing our ideas and ways of thinking.

[Disney's Divinity]

I want to gently and with love share some links with you all. They pertain to my views on same-sex relationships and tolerance in general. They will be offensive to some, but should I sacrifice truth and my beliefs over supposed tolerance? No.

Problem is, tolerance doesn't = acceptance. Tolerance is meant to be the meeting ground between various religions and beliefs, where everyone can set those aside and have their right to live as they choose respected. And you shouldn't have to be respectful and loving to people only if they follow the same religion as you.

Glad to see you've made this topic about you.

[pap64]

I want to gently and with love share some links with you all. They pertain to my views on same-sex relationships and tolerance in general. They will be offensive to some, but should I sacrifice truth and my beliefs over supposed tolerance? No.

Problem is, tolerance doesn't = acceptance. Tolerance is meant to be the meeting ground between various religions and beliefs, where everyone can set those aside and have their right to live as they choose respected. And you shouldn't have to be respectful and loving to people only if they follow the same religion as you.

Glad to see you've made this topic about you.

Precisely my point. Again, I don't see the video as saying its OK to be gay, more like its OK to be who you are, regardless of what society may say, especially politics and religion. It's about being kind and respectful towards your fellow man and that no one should be threatened because of who they are.

I go back to my South Park example. In that episode Mr. Garrison said it best: tolerance means that you have to respect and realize that there are people different from you and that they are happy that way. Let's face it, not everything in life will be accepted. Not everyone will agree with the Muslims teachings, the vegetarian way of life, the Republican or Democratic way, the Jewish teachings, the Christian teachings, the Atheist train of thought, the list just goes on and on...

Heck, I am 100% sure that someone will look at what SillySymphony said and turn it completely against her with just as many proofs as the ones she posted.

Is there something wrong this that? Of course not! I think she has the right to accept any belief as long as it doesn't lead her to discriminate, force people to change their ways or just plain hate, which is unfortunately the problem with many religious sects.

[DancingCrab]

And dancingcrabby, What I said in previous two post is not my reflection on my views on gays. Too be honest, I really have no opinions of other groups. I see people as people. Not Gays, not blacks, not white, not jews etc.

SO I dunno why you getting all prissy and shit.

Although I do admit that I enjoy racist/religious/gay jokes. But that's just my sense of humor.

Because getting prissy and shit is what I do best

And here is why....
I'm sure if you were gay, you'd be as indifferent to how others perceive you, as you probably wouldn't care if someone told you you were going to hell for being deaf, and good for you. If we all had that resolve, these things might not be as big an issue. For myself, as a gay man who has gone through some serious abuse as a kid, I can't help but get defensive and emotionally worked up over this stuff. If it was just a case of people having opinions that would be a lot easier to deal with, BUT the fact is, people like milo and SillySymphony have the opportunity to step into a voting booth and deny me my basic rights, and it scares me that a group of human beings are that unprotected by this country from people making decisions based on their IMO corrupted religions that I don't practice and I should not be forced to live by their moral code. There is nothing on a voting ballot for me to vote on anyone else's right to live a happy life, so there shouldn't be anything on there for them to vote about mine. So every time they speak I am reminded of this, that their "opinion" is in fact a threat to mine and other's futures. If these people could only understand the evil they are doing and the pain they are causing to others in the name of their God...it's no different than handing a black man's fate over to the hands of a KKK member. No difference at all.

BTW I'm more venting about the whole shebang than directly lecturing you Aurora. Us prissy people don't need a lot of fuel to get going on our rants, what with us being easily irritated and all.