The Disney Essence: Fact or Fiction?

[Disney Duster]

Why should being a fan of Disney be determined by how much you believe in this supposed Disney essence anyways.

That says it perfectly. If you are a Disney fan, and not just "someone who likes some Disney movies" you would believ in the Disney essence. No one calls themselves a Paramount fan. No one calls themselves a Warners feature film division fan. But there are Disney fans. There's something different. An essence.

And Heartless, I am perfectly aware there is a cynical view that Disney has no magic and that it all marketing, but avid, avid fans would choose to believe in the hype, in the magic they say there is. Disney is often about the feelings they create and even the marketing creates feelings.

Escapay, all would keep saying is "That untrue" to pretty much all your paragraphs and what you say about me is a lot of exaggeration when you know I like Bambi and talk about other films besides fairy tales. Roy Disney said that the animated films were the heart of the company, and always were, and always should be. It's what started it all, it's what Walt put in his theme parks at their center.

By the way, you should have noticed that I didn't choose one, I said it sounded more Disney to me, which you turned into saying "that is a Disney movie". But notice I was saying things that don't sound Disney can turn out to have the Disney touch, and I had to see them

In fact, that was part of the clues, along with me saying "but then I thought" and started talking about the live-action films, that would let you know I suspected the former was a Disney live-action film, and probably one that Disney didn't put much of his touch on, though I'd have to see it.

So if all of you are here on this forum just because you like past Disney films, and you don't think Disney is a studio different from other studios that can make their films magical, I don't know why the heck you keep looking forward to the new films they make, especially here. If Disney is like any studio, why don't you go to a forum where you don't like one studio over another, since Disney has no magic, it's nothing, and just get interested in a Disney film because you like the concept and you don't really care that it's made by Disney?

BECAUSE DISNEY IS DIFFERENT, THERE IS A DISNEY ESSENCE AND A DISNEY MAGIC.

[Duckburger]

Perhaps Kingdom Hearts? Kinda cool name.

And, I think I had some Disney Magic for breakfast today - didn't taste as good as the box promised though.

[Escapay]

Why should being a fan of Disney be determined by how much you believe in this supposed Disney essence anyways.

That says it perfectly. If you are a Disney fan, and not just "someone who likes some Disney movies" you would believ in the Disney essence. No one calls themselves a Paramount fan. No one calls themselves a Warners feature film division fan. But there are Disney fans. There's something different. An essence.

I'm a Warner Bros. fan.

And an MGM fan.

And a Studio Ghibli fan.

And an Archers fan.

And a Columbia fan.

And a Hammer fan.

I could go on and on, there's plenty of studios, both working and defunct...

So if all of you are here on this forum just because you like past Disney films, and you don't think Disney is a studio different from other studios that can make their films magical, I don't know why the heck you keep looking forward to the new films they make, especially here.

Because aside from a few odd little ducks, it's still a nice forum to hang around in. It's not an "If you don't agree with how we think, don't post here" forum like Stormfront. Cause that's what it looks like you're saying. That you want UltimateDisney/DVDizzy to be an elitist "If you don't agree with my perception of Disney, which I believe to be the only right one, don't post here" forum.

If Disney is like any studio, why don't you go to a forum where you don't like one studio over another, since Disney has no magic, it's nothing, and just get interested in a Disney film because you like the concept and you don't really care that it's made by Disney?

Because we will not be told by other forum members to stop posting on this forum and go to another simply because we don't agree with their perceptions of what "Disney" is.

Don't turn into Marky and say stuff like "You shouldn't even speak about the classics on a forum like this."

And, I think I had some Disney Magic for breakfast today - didn't taste as good as the box promised though.

Did you pour the Mickey Milk over it or just the standard store brand? Disney Magic tastes better with Mickey Milk.

albert

[Disney Duster]

I do think that Warner Bros. has it's own type of humour and ways, too, but only really for their cartoons.

Disney has more of a feeling or magic or touch that permeates all their classics that Warners feature films don't.

And those things I asked were questions, to get people to think: Why am I here. Why...do I love Disney over other studios? Is there reall a Disney essence?

I'm saying people being here waiting for the next Disney film makes no sense if you don't believe there is a Disney touch that only they can make, and that they might add to their next films. Otherwise, you would just be at a general movie forum, not caring what was made by Disney or not.

Disney has an essence and magic.



And is there really Mickey Milk and a Mickey Magic cereal?

[Lazario]

Why should being a fan of Disney be determined by how much you believe in this supposed Disney essence anyways.

That says it perfectly. If you are a Disney fan, and not just "someone who likes some Disney movies" you would believ in the Disney essence. No one calls themselves a Paramount fan. No one calls themselves a Warners feature film division fan. But there are Disney fans. There's something different.

Doesn't that have something to do with those studios not being so closely run by the creative God-like Final Say of one single person? Not to mention, an actor and a guy with a large personality and very public persona? I'm sure if they had, people just might associate those studios' output with a special feel or essence about them.

Any other studio might not have this feature about them, but a series of films might. That's something another studio could have in common with Disney. A sense of a same-team working on different projects. Look at Spielberg. Or Don Bluth. Or John Hughes.

[Duckburger]

Did you pour the Mickey Milk over it or just the standard store brand? Disney Magic tastes better with Mickey Milk.

albert

Wait, there's Mickey Milk? Argh, the box had no mention of Mickey Milk, I am so calling Customer Services. Unacceptable, I say. I demand my Disney Magic to be magical, because Disney's magical Magic is the best Magic and only kind of Magic I will have as my Magic, and only Disney Magic deserves special milk, magic milk even.

Magic.

[Escapay]

Disney has more of a feeling or magic or touch that permeates all their classics that Warners feature films don't.

In your opinion.

And those things I asked were questions, to get people to think: Why am I here. Why...do I love Disney over other studios? Is there reall a Disney essence?

I'm saying people being here waiting for the next Disney film makes no sense if you don't believe there is a Disney touch that only they can make, and that they might add to their next films. Otherwise, you would just be at a general movie forum, not caring what was made by Disney or not.

There's a lot of reasons to enjoy Disney, not everyone enjoys them for some strange idea that a special "essence" and "magic" exists solely in Disney movies.

And is there really Mickey Milk and a Mickey Magic cereal?

Well, if the company made Mickey Mouse Toilet Paper, anything is possible...

Wait, there's Mickey Milk? Argh, the box had no mention of Mickey Milk, I am so calling Customer Services. Unacceptable, I say. I demand my Disney Magic to be magical, because Disney's magical Magic is the best Magic and only kind of Magic I will have as my Magic, and only Disney Magic deserves special milk, magic milk even.

Magic.

Every Disney product (consumable or not) only works at 100% efficiency if there is Disney magic. Disney once tried to make Powdered Magic that one could mix with non-magic water that you could spray (very sparingly) on non-Disney foods, but that experiment failed miserably when a 6 year old ate a spoonful of Disney Magic to help his Disney Medicine go down. He summarily went around hugging everyone and shooting daisies out of his fingers whilst singing "I Whistle A Happy Tune" (which is Rodgers & Hammerstein and not Disney, but his mind got screwed up and he began to think everything was Disney). They finally calmed him down and de-magic'ed him by giving him a glass of normal non-Disney water to flush the magic out of his system.

Since then, Disney only adds 0.0001% of pure magic to everything, because too much of it will make a kid go magic mad.

magicalbertmagic

[UmbrellaFish]

Okay, so I totally haven't been reading this thread, but there was a Sorceror Mickey Mouse cereal back in the early 2000's. I think it was sort of like Lucky Charms. I got it at the grocery store all the time and it came with a CD which I used to listen to on my then brand new DVD player. Loved that CD. Wish I could find it.

[Elladorine]

And, I think I had some Disney Magic for breakfast today - didn't taste as good as the box promised though.

Did you pour the Mickey Milk over it or just the standard store brand? Disney Magic tastes better with Mickey Milk.

And don't forget the Mickey eggs and the Donald orange juice! We must have a well-rounded breakfast you know.

[Chernabog_Rocks]

And is there really Mickey Milk and a Mickey Magic cereal?

Milk no. Cereal yes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cerea ... _magix.jpg


As for essence. I think if anything, it is more Disney Nostalgia for me. I remember being curled up on the couch watching some of the shorts like Mickey's Trailer, or Pluto's Christmas Tree and Toy Tinkers (the latter two around Christmas time) as well Pluto's Judgement Day.

As I've mentioned in the Charlie Brown dvd thread, I eagerly await the 1980's dvd for the "She's a Good Skate, Charlie Brown" short. Why? Because the same nostalgia I feel for Disney is also felt for the Peanuts shorts (largely the one mentioned, and more popular holiday ones).

So. I think if there is any Essence or Magic of (Disney) then it's just a more...Disneyfied way of saying Nostalgia and distinguishing it from the nostalgia felt towards other companies. "The Magic of Looney Tunes" or "The Warner Essence" just doesn't sound right. Chaos or Wackiness maybe.

Hm. Perhaps I should stop now before I turn people off of the word "nostalgia"

EDIT:

Enigmawing! Don't forget to use your Cinderella toaster to make the toast!

[UmbrellaFish]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cerea ... _magix.jpg

That was it! I thought to look on Wikipedia but I didn't think I'd find anything.

Gosh, I don't remember the box looking quite so... "full". And I remember it turned the milk blue!

Now, um, carry on with the debate.

[Escapay]

A Cinderella toaster is good...



But I like my toast to have genuine glass slippers in them, not just an imprint of one. Nothing more crunchy (and painful) than toast and glass!

And a Pooh toaster is ridiculous. I don't want Pooh in my toast!

albert

[Flanger-Hanger]

And a Pooh toaster is ridiculous. I don't want Pooh in my toast!

albert

Pooh is the last thing you need to worry about with that toaster. The fact that it has the burn the rest of the toast in order to imprint the character image is far more annoying as is the music it plays while toasting (yes I speak from experience as that toaster is in my house, though never used ). Never saw the Cindy one before.

And I remember that cereal too. It essentially was Lucky Charms with a Disney theme and the milk did turn blue.

[Disney Duster]

Disney has more of a feeling or magic or touch that permeates all their classics that Warners feature films don't.

In your opinion.

No, in truth, that some people don't think is true. And all you say to me after this about this, I will just respond with in your opinion.

Chernabog, I explained how I didn't think it could be just nostalgia, at the top of this page if you care to take a look (please?).

But, do you really feel the same when you watch Peanuts things as when you watch Disney things? Do they feel the same to you? Exactly the same?

You may have a hard time seperating nostalgia from the way the things you were watching felt.

[Escapay]

In your opinion.

No, in truth, that some people don't think is true. And all you say to me after this about this, I will just respond with in your opinion.

We're talking about how people feel about movies made by different studios. There is no absolute truths about how people feel about movies (regardless which studio it came from). They are only, and always will be, opinions. No matter how strongly one believes in one or the other. A person can't say "There's magic in all Disney movies, but no magic in all Warner Bros. movies" as a solid empirical proveable fact. It's only an opinion and a belief. It's not rocket science or a sociological study on mankind's love affair with movies. It's an opinion.

In my opinion.

(saved you the trouble)

albert

[Disney Duster]

Okay well let me explain "my opinion" (in quotes cause it's really the truth, wink) so you at least get what I am saying...

First, when I said feeling I didn't mean how people personally feel. I mean Disney movies have something in them, and people either feel it, or get it, or acknowledge it, or don't.

Not the best example, but it's like, "did you feel that creepy feeling in that movie?" And sometimes someone who didn't feel it, will view the movie later...and they feel it.

The other thing was I was not saying only Disney has a feeling or magic and no other studio has a feeling or magic. I meant Disney has it's own kind of magic or feeling, that's not in things that aren't Disney, naturally.

[Chernabog_Rocks]

After a bit of searching, I found your nostalgia post (It was actually on page 2 for me ) Beware I shall most likely repeat myself in this post (I'm very scatterbrained lately)

Because when we were little, we all watched many different things. Why was Disney's different even when we were children and we would be feeling nostalgia for them too? When I was little I always felt Disney's were most magical, and were the best.

Next, it is impossible for us to all have felt the same nostalgia. We were all different children, we would all feel differently in our nostalgic feelings.

For these reasons you can see that Disney had something, this one thing (or set of things all together) that was different from other films we viewed in ourchildhood when we would be getting our nostalgia.

This was the one you meant right? Either way I think I'll go ahead anyways. But before I do, I noticed we did seem to both agree a bit on how Warner (at the least) doesn't have a "Warner's Essence" etc. Sort of. I think we agreed to different extents there.

Anyways. Why was Disney different from all the other things? It's more prolific in my opinion. Can you name even one other studio with -that- many different cartoon shorts, movies, 25ish minute features, characters and animated movies under their belt by the late 1980's/mid 90's?

Disney has so much more content available to show us. Which is what seperated it from Hasbro with it's three (off the top of my head) big contenders, G.I Joe, Transformers and My Little Pony. But even then, the mistake they made was seperating it into aiming a show at boys, aiming one towards girls. Disney catered to both genders at the same time (until recently one could argue.)

To me, that's what seperates them. More prolific, and being geared to children period. Not boys only or just girls.

I do agree that we were all different in what we watched. But! It comes back to my point/opinion and I shall use my cousin as an example. When we were young, I was a big on watching G.I Joe and Power Rangers. Whereas she was more of a My Little Pony and Rainbow Brite fan. Yet we both loved Disney. Notice, how we both were quite different in our taste of shows yet still shared the common bond of Disney? It comes back to how Disney was geared more towards both genders, which I think is why we both enjoyed it and yet had our seperate shows which were more aimed to our gender.

Phew.

As for nostalgia. Given the way the company is these days, it's really no wonder a lot of us Disney fans are feeling nostalgic. I'm willing to bet a lot of us miss the Disney of our childhood. Who wouldn't? That's why I feel what you're calling magic/essence is really just the lot of us missing the good old days (whether they be the 80's/90's for us or the 50's in a few cases for those growing up then).

One last thing to note, regarding Peanuts since you asked. I feel the same warm, fuzzy feeling watching "She's A Good Skate" or "It's the Great Pumpkin" as I do watching shorts like "Donald's Snow Fight" or "Trick or Treat"

[Escapay]

"my opinion" (in quotes cause it's really the truth, wink)

And thus endeth the not-so-great debate. Wink or not, why should I bother when you still don't realize opinion is opinion and not truth?

albert

[Heartless]

"my opinion" (in quotes cause it's really the truth, wink)

And thus endeth the not-so-great debate. Wink or not, why should I bother when you still don't realize opinion is opinion and not truth?

albert

Exactly..

[Disney Duster]

Laz forgot to get back to you, I do think that when one person controls something, it does help to make a uniform feeling, a kind of thing, but then he said Disney became something more than him and continue. I believe they can try to make it all feel Disney, and actually when they have grown up Disney films, I would think they would want to work at Disney, and create that feeling, again, even subconsiously.

Cherny, I would think Disney doing so much would make it less. When doing a lot, and a lot of very different things, it is harder to keep it all feeling the same, I would think. But if you mean, things that appeal to everyone, I guess I can see that it would feel different. A magic that powerful, it's Disney magic.

Don't you think it would be weird for the guy who made Peanuts, and Walt Disney, to make things that felt exactly the same? That is why I think that you are having trouble seperating nostalgia from the way the actual things feel. But I think such a thing is hard to detect.

Escapay, you still haven't given your thoughts on the matter.

If Disney is like any studio, why don't you go to a forum where you don't like one studio over another, since Disney has no magic, it's nothing, and just get interested in a Disney film because you like the concept and you don't really care that it's made by Disney?

Because we will not be told by other forum members to stop posting on this forum and go to another simply because we don't agree with their perceptions of what "Disney" is.

So, you really do think Disney is no different from any other studio, they can't make anything in their own unique way? You think they are nothing, as I said? Nothing different? No identity or uniqueness?

By the way, in regards to "what opinion" and what's not, the reason I don't see it as opinion is because, here's an example: Someone feels something creepy from a movie. It was not their opinion they felt it, they really did. The creepy feeling exists. People just either feel it, can tell they are feeling it, or not.

Don't you think the magic Walt created could be re-created after he died, too? Not the same, but the spirit. The essence.

It makes sense that after young children watched the Disney films and became animators, and they wanted to work not for any studio, but Disney's, that there is something about Disney, that they choose them, and they want to create the kind of feeling they got from Disney movies in new films.

Don't you want to believe Disney has it's own essence, something that makes them different, not better, different from other studios? Don't you want to believe in Disney magic? Why wouldn't you?