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Yeah, and then tossed in the long-debubnked horsecrap about having to "throw away" your old discs.Try reading their entire post next time. They did say Blu-ray players can play DVDs.
True, but the Blu-Ray misinformation in the post makes me suspect that's really a valid concern, and is nothing more than FUAD propaganda.Besides, they can still be a Blu-ray owner and dislike how Disney is pushing it on everyone at what they said is an inappropriate time for reasons they already said.
It is highly unusul for a Blu-Ray owner to say Blu-Ray video is only somewhat better than DVD. Anyone who owns the new A Bug's Life BRD can tell you that. I call shenanigans.It's not unusual for a Blu-ray owner to actually be rational.
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A person can be a Blu-ray owner without thinking it's God's gift to them. With the right equipment a DVD can look mind-blowing as well. There's nothing wrong with you loving Blu-ray so much. It's great seeing someone be so excited about something but not all Blu-ray fans have the same mind-set meaning not all of them think the same way when it comes to the Blu-ray/DVD issue. Some are getting rid of their DVDs and re-buying them all on Blu-ray, some are not. Some are buying new movies on Blu-ray now but are keeping the DVDs they have and not re-buying what they already have except for maybe a few exceptions. There are more scenarios but the bottom line is not every Blu-ray fan is the same. Some think the same way you and JDCB1986 do. (which is more like fanboys.Rudy Matt wrote:Yeah, and then tossed in the long-debubnked horsecrap about having to "throw away" your old discs.Try reading their entire post next time. They did say Blu-ray players can play DVDs.
They didn't say anything about having to. They used the example of throwing away clothes just because you buy new ones. I take it you are keeping your A Bug's Life DVD then correct? (I see forum members say the DVD picture is bad but I don't see it. It looks amazing on my TV.)
True, but the Blu-Ray misinformation in the post makes me suspect that's really a valid concern, and is nothing more than FUAD propaganda.Besides, they can still be a Blu-ray owner and dislike how Disney is pushing it on everyone at what they said is an inappropriate time for reasons they already said.
If that's the case then the balance is still lop-sided looking at the amount of Blu-ray propaganda here/anti-DVD propaganda/Blu-ray bias vs those who prefer DVD/those who don't like Blu-ray bias/those who don't like Disney's pushing of it, etc).
It is highly unusul for a Blu-Ray owner to say Blu-Ray video is only somewhat better than DVD. Anyone who owns the new A Bug's Life BRD can tell you that. I call shenanigans.It's not unusual for a Blu-ray owner to actually be rational.
). You think the improvement a Blu-ray disc has over DVD is 100% while other Blu-ray fans may not think that. You and JDCB1986 may be ready and are wanting DVD to be left behind and already pronounced it dead but other Blu-ray fans have not and many still purchase DVDs!You get the idea that not all Blu-ray fans think alike and that not all Blu-ray fans are fanboys about it.
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sotiris2006 wrote:Question: Is there a gem or a jewel more precious and expensive than diamond?
They should have started The Sapphire Collection.
It's not more necessarily precious or more expensive, but it is generally more blue.
I believe Alexandrite and Ruby in their purest forms are actually more expensive per carat than diamonds.
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And if HD DVD had won the format war, I'd be justified in calling for a Ruby Collection.JDCB1986 wrote:sotiris2006 wrote:Question: Is there a gem or a jewel more precious and expensive than diamond?
They should have started The Sapphire Collection.
It's not more necessarily precious or more expensive, but it is generally more blue.
I believe Alexandrite and Ruby in their purest forms are actually more expensive per carat than diamonds.
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I'm really getting sick of how Disney is dealing with this Blue-ray issue. When DVD came onto the playing field, it sold itself. Converting from video to DVD was a no brainier. Suddenly you didn't have to re-wind your film, you could watch it in multiple languages off of one unit, it took up a lot less space, theoretically would last one's lifetime, or at least much longer then VHS, plus we were introduced to a new concept: the bonus features. I thought it was the coolest thing ever to include the music videos from the movies and their original trailers.
It is a rather known fact that when ever a new technology first hits the marketplace, becuase it will be rather pricey at first, it will be wealthy people who will buy it first. Once enough of those have bought it, the price normally goes down and then everyone gets in on the action. DVD was such a hit that it did not take long for it to have it's price drop down a lot, and thus it flourished even more.
Now we come to Blue-ray. The real genesis behind it was that suddenly there was a drop in DVD sales and it wasn't making the millions that the studios had come to expect from it. Hollywood studios are all about one thing: making money and lots of it. Their basic formula for making said money is to constantly be pushing the newest thing. They don't normally stick with things very long, especially if it starts to not make them the kind of money the expect to make.
So, we end up with Blue-ray (after the HD DVD battle anyway). However, the issue is that despite the enthusiasm of the various fan boys who seem to have more dollars then sense, Blue-ray is NOT catching on the same way that DVD did. Why could this be?
Maybe it's becuase your average Blue-ray film cost $10 to $20 more then your average DVD? Maybe becuase you can get a DVD player for as little as $30-40 easy, where as a Blue-ray player will put you back at least a few hundred? Maybe it's becuase so many people have spent SO MUCH money on their DVD collection already, that the idea of re-buying all of those films AGAIN just leaves a sour taste in one's mouth? Maybe it's becuase the economy of this country and even World has not been this bad since the 1930's? When you have no job and three kids that you have to feed, what movie you should buy is the last thing on your mind. Maybe it's becuase the only serious advantage to Blue-ray is "better" picture and sound? Humm, that's SO important, I mean, what will I do with my life without being able to see Johnny Depp's pimple in "Pirates of the Caribbean?"
So, what is especially Disney's answer to the issue that their new pet format isn't catching on? Why FORCE their customers of course! "If people will not buy our new format, will just stop making the old one completely or pretend that it does not exist any more at the very least!" That's how Walt would have done it, right?
It is frankly stupid greedy thinking like this that got us into the economic mess we are in now in the first place. It seems some people never learn.
It is a rather known fact that when ever a new technology first hits the marketplace, becuase it will be rather pricey at first, it will be wealthy people who will buy it first. Once enough of those have bought it, the price normally goes down and then everyone gets in on the action. DVD was such a hit that it did not take long for it to have it's price drop down a lot, and thus it flourished even more.
Now we come to Blue-ray. The real genesis behind it was that suddenly there was a drop in DVD sales and it wasn't making the millions that the studios had come to expect from it. Hollywood studios are all about one thing: making money and lots of it. Their basic formula for making said money is to constantly be pushing the newest thing. They don't normally stick with things very long, especially if it starts to not make them the kind of money the expect to make.
So, we end up with Blue-ray (after the HD DVD battle anyway). However, the issue is that despite the enthusiasm of the various fan boys who seem to have more dollars then sense, Blue-ray is NOT catching on the same way that DVD did. Why could this be?
Maybe it's becuase your average Blue-ray film cost $10 to $20 more then your average DVD? Maybe becuase you can get a DVD player for as little as $30-40 easy, where as a Blue-ray player will put you back at least a few hundred? Maybe it's becuase so many people have spent SO MUCH money on their DVD collection already, that the idea of re-buying all of those films AGAIN just leaves a sour taste in one's mouth? Maybe it's becuase the economy of this country and even World has not been this bad since the 1930's? When you have no job and three kids that you have to feed, what movie you should buy is the last thing on your mind. Maybe it's becuase the only serious advantage to Blue-ray is "better" picture and sound? Humm, that's SO important, I mean, what will I do with my life without being able to see Johnny Depp's pimple in "Pirates of the Caribbean?"
So, what is especially Disney's answer to the issue that their new pet format isn't catching on? Why FORCE their customers of course! "If people will not buy our new format, will just stop making the old one completely or pretend that it does not exist any more at the very least!" That's how Walt would have done it, right?
It is frankly stupid greedy thinking like this that got us into the economic mess we are in now in the first place. It seems some people never learn.
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Yep. I still have a lot of my old Black Diamond videos as well around my house.sotiris2006 wrote:Yeah, that did kinda turned me off. You're referring to the "Black Diamond" line, right?PrincePhillipFan wrote:So now bascially we're just going right back to the early 90s in term of edition names and starting all over again.
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Except for the fact the Blu-ray sales continue to climb and it's doing better now than DVD did this far into it's debut, with $99 players on the way this Christmas you're screaming and shouting is fairly useless.milojthatch wrote:So, we end up with Blue-ray (after the HD DVD battle anyway). However, the issue is that despite the enthusiasm of the various fan boys who seem to have more dollars then sense, Blue-ray is NOT catching on the same way that DVD did. Why could this be?
If you don't want to buy Blu-ray fine, but don't make up stuff to fit your views. Not everyone was sold on VHS begin replaced which is why it took 6 years for it to go mainstream.
The whole world doesn't need to hear you're whining, so could you stay on topic before you burst a blood vessel?
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Blu-ray is catching on. The evidence is there. How many times am I going to have to say that the adoption rate is twice that of DVD!?milojthatch wrote:I'm really getting sick of how Disney is dealing with this Blue-ray issue. When DVD came onto the playing field, it sold itself. Converting from video to DVD was a no brainier. Suddenly you didn't have to re-wind your film, you could watch it in multiple languages off of one unit, it took up a lot less space, theoretically would last one's lifetime, or at least much longer then VHS, plus we were introduced to a new concept: the bonus features. I thought it was the coolest thing ever to include the music videos from the movies and their original trailers.
It is a rather known fact that when ever a new technology first hits the marketplace, becuase it will be rather pricey at first, it will be wealthy people who will buy it first. Once enough of those have bought it, the price normally goes down and then everyone gets in on the action. DVD was such a hit that it did not take long for it to have it's price drop down a lot, and thus it flourished even more.
Now we come to Blue-ray. The real genesis behind it was that suddenly there was a drop in DVD sales and it wasn't making the millions that the studios had come to expect from it. Hollywood studios are all about one thing: making money and lots of it. Their basic formula for making said money is to constantly be pushing the newest thing. They don't normally stick with things very long, especially if it starts to not make them the kind of money the expect to make.
So, we end up with Blue-ray (after the HD DVD battle anyway). However, the issue is that despite the enthusiasm of the various fan boys who seem to have more dollars then sense, Blue-ray is NOT catching on the same way that DVD did. Why could this be?
Maybe it's becuase your average Blue-ray film cost $10 to $20 more then your average DVD? Maybe becuase you can get a DVD player for as little as $30-40 easy, where as a Blue-ray player will put you back at least a few hundred? Maybe it's becuase so many people have spent SO MUCH money on their DVD collection already, that the idea of re-buying all of those films AGAIN just leaves a sour taste in one's mouth? Maybe it's becuase the economy of this country and even World has not been this bad since the 1930's? When you have no job and three kids that you have to feed, what movie you should buy is the last thing on your mind. Maybe it's becuase the only serious advantage to Blue-ray is "better" picture and sound? Humm, that's SO important, I mean, what will I do with my life without being able to see Johnny Depp's pimple in "Pirates of the Caribbean?"
So, what is especially Disney's answer to the issue that their new pet format isn't catching on? Why FORCE their customers of course! "If people will not buy our new format, will just stop making the old one completely or pretend that it does not exist any more at the very least!" That's how Walt would have done it, right?
It is frankly stupid greedy thinking like this that got us into the economic mess we are in now in the first place. It seems some people never learn.
I get your reasons as to why people adopted DVD in the first place, but that's beside the point. It's also obvious that DVD will still be around in 5 years.
In other words, for now, we can only repeat ourselves on this issue.
The reason why Blu-ray is being released now is because the NTSC format is dying out (just as PAL is in other countries) as we move to a different specification digital system of broadcasts which include standards for high-definition. NTSC lasted for fifty years, but in less than a decade it will be more or less dead - its been superseded. DVD was designed for NTSC, and thus immediately looses its relevance.
The systems chosen for digital TV will have to last at least another twenty years, if not longer - you can't force people to keep changing their recievers - so I see Blu-ray lasting at least twenty years in one form or another.
As we know (potential for additional layers/storage, potential for DVD/Blu-ray hybrids, the recently set-up standards commission for implementing 3D on Blu-ray, BD-Live and BD-Java) Blu-ray is a much more flexible format than DVD, and already looking forwards to adapt and evolve for future demands. While I accept some such changes may require new hardware to take advantage of - the format itself will still continue.
As for the Platinum line changing, I don't understand why people are surprised or upset. Of course it's going to change its name - you can't have two products with the same name but different content, even if one is long out of print. As far as names chosen, Diamond is pretty boring, safe and run of the mill. Somehow you would expect more from Disney, perhaps something with "magic" in the title, but what's done is done.
The systems chosen for digital TV will have to last at least another twenty years, if not longer - you can't force people to keep changing their recievers - so I see Blu-ray lasting at least twenty years in one form or another.
As we know (potential for additional layers/storage, potential for DVD/Blu-ray hybrids, the recently set-up standards commission for implementing 3D on Blu-ray, BD-Live and BD-Java) Blu-ray is a much more flexible format than DVD, and already looking forwards to adapt and evolve for future demands. While I accept some such changes may require new hardware to take advantage of - the format itself will still continue.
As for the Platinum line changing, I don't understand why people are surprised or upset. Of course it's going to change its name - you can't have two products with the same name but different content, even if one is long out of print. As far as names chosen, Diamond is pretty boring, safe and run of the mill. Somehow you would expect more from Disney, perhaps something with "magic" in the title, but what's done is done.
Most of my Blu-ray collection some of my UK discs aren't on their database
every thread in this forum is taken over by people complaining about blu-ray vs. dvd.
it is called technology... it changes, it gets better... deal with it and stop acting like children.
if you don't want to buy blu-ray, then don't, but you don't need to swamp every thread with complaints about how much you hate it and how horrible disney is for promoting it so strongly and how you don't see much of a difference and how it's a waste of money and blah blah...
just get over it. let those who like blu-ray stick with blu-ray and those of you who like dvd can stick with dvd.
it's really not complicated. no wonder this forum is the laughing stock of so many other forums.
it is called technology... it changes, it gets better... deal with it and stop acting like children.
if you don't want to buy blu-ray, then don't, but you don't need to swamp every thread with complaints about how much you hate it and how horrible disney is for promoting it so strongly and how you don't see much of a difference and how it's a waste of money and blah blah...
just get over it. let those who like blu-ray stick with blu-ray and those of you who like dvd can stick with dvd.
it's really not complicated. no wonder this forum is the laughing stock of so many other forums.