




James Woods has been accused of propositioning high school girls.Disney's Divinity wrote:Aside from Jim Cummings, I don't think any of Disney's voice talent has been accused of or been proven to have committed sexual harassment or assault, have they?
So not much different than Kevin Spacey then. I wonder why I've heard so much more about Spacey... It's sad, I used to be fans of both Woods and Spacey. :/Sotiris wrote: James Woods has been accused of propositioning high school girls.
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It funnier, but on the other hand , the tv show dodn’t have Danny DeVitowillard wrote:I personally prefer the TV series over the movie.
Dan Ekborg, Swedish voice actor for the Genie and Hades. He does a great performance in both roles, but it is the same voice (his regular voice) for both characters so if you are a Swedish Disney voice actor fan you hear that Hades sounds like the Genie from Aladdin but with an evil touch of course.blackcauldron85 wrote:^ In a few threads, you've posted that the same actors have voiced different characters (like in English, Jim Cummings, David Ogden Stiers, etc). In the Swedish movies, are the voices unique enough to each character, where you're not thinking "That's Genie!" when you're watching Hercules, for example?
Perhaps because Musker and Clements were basically forced into making it, their heart wasn't really in it and that shows up in the final project? It's just a strange product in itself, interesting but still strange, where all the ingredients that make it are so mismatched (source material, visual design, celebrity/pop culture humor, gospel music) yet they still somehow work.farerb wrote:I saw this film again the other day and it made me realize that this film is extremely cynical and I never really noticed this before, what comes to my mind is the scene where Meg goes to the woods and then woodland creatures appear as if they came from Snow White or Sleeping Beauty, then they start talking as if they are from Loony Toons and then it turns out to be Pain and Panic. It stood out to me cause that's something that Walt would have never done in his films, but there were other moments, but overall most of the characters are cynical: Hades, Meg, Phil, Pegasus. Hercules seems to be the only one who's sincere, which would have been fine if I found him to be somewhat interesting and relatable (I blame this on his unclear motivation). I don't know why they chose to go that route since I didn't think Aladdin was like that even though it had humor, it's just that the humor there mostly came from the Genie and it was more of an uplifting humor and less cynical, and the Genie had his sincere moments as well. Maybe that's one of the reasons why Aladdin is considered a Classic more than Hercules is.
What do you think?
and:That said I do have to first get an early disappointment I had in the film out of the way, much as I loved it then and still enjoy it now, and it's this: the initial character of Hercules that was presented to me in the earliest trailers made for a much more interesting character than what we ultimately saw in the finished product. The early trailers portayed Herc as something of a bumbling, self-absorbed egotistical type hero having comic misadventures, and I was really looking forward to that type of portrayal, a "Gaston who learns a lesson" if you will. What we got in the actual film is just another pining, honest hero soul-searching for his place in the world. I think he could have done with a few more arrogant, musclehead character flaws to ironically make him more likeable.
and also:I liked Hercules a lot as a kid but the plot really goes nowhere. Hercules doesn't really sell me on the hero's arc. He is constantly relying on borrowed power to accomplish his goals, using god-like strength to defeat enemies and Zeus' influence to get access to a legendary mentor. He has the epic training montage, and then proceeds to beat up a bunch of monsters to be a hero. Then comes the plot revelation where Zeus shakes his head and reveals that beating up lots of monsters is great, but it isn't what makes you a hero.
This seems like it would be the plot hook for the final act where Hercules has some sort of epiphany or revelation about what true heroism is. But it never really happens, in part because his so-called "mentor" doesn't seem to actually appreciate or understand true heroism and thus can't impart any useful knowledge, but also because Hercules never really makes any effort to dig deeper or discover anything new about himself. The plot point of him losing his powers could have been a great way to explore this, forcing Hercules to save the day on his own merits instead of his god-given gifts. But in the end he just gets his powers back and uses those to save the day. Then he just sort of stumbles into the secret of true heroism in the ending doing what he would have done anyway.
Source: https://www.talking-time.net/showthread ... 08&page=12The pacing's weird, the story structure is weird, the whole heroes as celebrities thing is weird. The whole thing is emotionally distancing and you never feel for the characters. The ending with Herc's sacrifice is just eh and you never feel for the guy or his struggle(?). The only bit that works at all is Won't Say I'm In Love. I think it's because the movie finally slows down to spend time with a character.
Forgive me for shooting off-topic here, but this reminds me of a criticism of My Hero Academia I'd read that you'd think Izuku would end up proving his worth without powers rather than being given powers later. The idea is interesting, but I'm not sure I'd really want to see it really (in MHA or Hercules)? As they point out, the ultimate focus of the plot is on how being a hero is what the motivation is (and possibly the sacrifices you're willing to make), not really whether you solve the problem with brain or brawn.Mooky wrote:I liked Hercules a lot as a kid but the plot really goes nowhere. Hercules doesn't really sell me on the hero's arc. He is constantly relying on borrowed power to accomplish his goals, using god-like strength to defeat enemies and Zeus' influence to get access to a legendary mentor. He has the epic training montage, and then proceeds to beat up a bunch of monsters to be a hero. Then comes the plot revelation where Zeus shakes his head and reveals that beating up lots of monsters is great, but it isn't what makes you a hero.
This seems like it would be the plot hook for the final act where Hercules has some sort of epiphany or revelation about what true heroism is. But it never really happens, in part because his so-called "mentor" doesn't seem to actually appreciate or understand true heroism and thus can't impart any useful knowledge, but also because Hercules never really makes any effort to dig deeper or discover anything new about himself. The plot point of him losing his powers could have been a great way to explore this, forcing Hercules to save the day on his own merits instead of his god-given gifts. But in the end he just gets his powers back and uses those to save the day. Then he just sort of stumbles into the secret of true heroism in the ending doing what he would have done anyway.