Selective Service System. This applies to all US Males 18-25

[PapiBear]

We have a draft because of the terrible way that the world is run.

Actually, we don't have a draft at all right now. There hasn't been a military draft in this country since 1973. Consider yourself fortunate in that. If this was the 1940s, '50s, or '60s, you'd very likely be drafted at some point, and you'd be required by law to serve a two-year hitch. Doesn't mean you'd necessarily see combat, though.

But if there was a draft, you'd be facing some serious prison time if you were drafted and didn't show up. And yes, armed men would show up at your door and arrest you if you did that. And they'd have every legal right to do so.

That is why we have a military, to go and make everything worse for everyone living.

That's not actually why we have a military. The military's purpose is the defense of the nation. Other nations have militaries as well. How that defense is carried out is something that is continually debated and altered as various Congresses and Presidential administrations change.

There are thousands of homeless people in the United States today, and what is the government doing to help them? Take away more money from them.

Wait until you take college-level economics classes. Seriously, the existence of a military and the problem of homelessness are two completely different and unrelated things. (I've been both homeless and in the military, so I think I can speak with some authority on this.)

No one has the right to pick us up from our homes and put us in danger.

The law says otherwise. Again, thank God there's no draft at this time. If that changes, you're in for a big surprise.

The army doesn't keep anyone strong, notice that army isn't capitalized.

So if the word "army" was capitalized, it'd make us strong? Well guess what? That particular branch of the Armed Forces is called the United States Army, and the word "army" is most certainly capitalized. What's your point?

They aren't doing anything to keep us from harm.

Aren't doing anything? What you don't know could fill a stadium. Your adolescent naivete is touching, but your ignorance isn't. Get yourself educated about the topic before speaking on it, son.

There is still a risk of another 9/11, the "army" can't do anything about it. They are over there murdering people because they think the Iraqs are dangerous. We should get out of Iraq, it's a pointless conflict. The soldiers are over there just so that Mr. Bush can say that we are helping, where in reality, we are not, we are making it worse.

I'm against the war in Iraq as well, but it's pretty clear you're just regurgitating things you've heard adults talk about, and haven't done any independent study of this on your own.

You don't need to tell me what to do, I have my freedoms.

Yes, you do. But when you turn 18, you obtain a lot of responsibilities as well as legal rights.

[memnv]

Nicely said PapiBear

Consider yourselves lucky that all you have to do is register incase there is a draft, there are countries where you dont have a choice and have to serve in the military.
Also if you move remember to update your selective service information untill you hit 25, its the law. I had to do it and there were wars when I was in the age group and was not drafted, It is not somethingto worry about unless WWIII breaks out and then they have they have the right to draft anyone they want including people over 25

[Chernabog_Rocks]

After reading the first post it makes me glad to be Canadian because as far as I know we don't have to join any draft lists if we don't want to. Seems rather harsh though doesn't it? If you don't join you could go to jail and/or pay a big fine It brings new meaning to the term Uncle Sam Wants You! Sorry if this post offends anybody...It almost sounds like blackmail to me "you don't register than we might put you in jail" Again sorry if anyone was offended by my observation(s)

[PapiBear]

That's a slap in the face to every man and woman who has served in the military. I don't care if you disagree with the war in Iraq, and FYI - I opposed it from the beginning, our troops deserve respect from everyone. If it weren't for our military, the freedoms that you and so many others take for granted wouldn't exist. Crack open a history book and you'll see that it was the military that won our independence from Britain and our military that helped stop Hitler and Miyamoto from taking the entire world for themselves. Do you even appreciate the fact that in this country you can make a post like that without fear of being dragged to jail for it, or worse? You can thank the military for that privilege.

I don't care if it's a slap in the face. We shouldn't even have a military to begin with.

Wow. Have you even considered what would happen if there was no military? Have you? Think about it. If you think nothing would happen at all, think again.

I, personally, instead of being an American, would have like to stay British, it comes with a sweet accent that I can only think about in my dizziest daydreams.

"Stay British"? Are your parents British immigrants? Or are you saying the Revolutionary War should not have been fought?

You might want to investigate what renouncing your US citizenship would require, and what it would result in. The information's on the net.

And I would not ever go to jail for a post that I just made expressing my opinion.

If you lived in certain countries you most certainly could. Don't believe me? Ask Amnesty International about political prisoners.

So, yeah, I could care less for the mess that Bush got us in. And I don't want to thank the military for any privilege, because what have they done for me? Personally me? Have they given anything to me? No, so why bother.

So, you only recognize the things that are done to you personally and directly?

Do you even know how many men have fought and died for your right to shoot your mouth off like an ignorant kid who doesn't know his rear end from a hole in the ground? Do you? Do you know how many personal sacrifices have been made so that you can live in comfort, and not in a war zone?

You need to learn from history, son, and consider what would happen if the military just went away. I'm going to assume you'd also like the police to just disappear as well, since the police and the military are two sides of the same coin.

I would love to be across the Atlantic, having a sweet accent, instead of living in this present status of America where everything is out of control.

Guess what? THEY HAVE A MILITARY IN THE UK AS WELL. AND THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT IS AN ALLY OF THE US GOVERNMENT. Now how sweet is that accent?

And exactly how is your life out of control? Are you dodging bullets on a daily basis? Has your home been bombed out? Are you going hungry? Do you live in the fear that you won't see your family ever again every day that you go to school?

[TheSequelOfDisney]

No one has the right to pick us up from our homes and put us in danger.

The law says otherwise. Again, thank God there's no draft at this time. If that changes, you're in for a big surprise.

Well, the law is completely wrong. The law that picks us up from our home and puts us in danger is completely against the US amendments. It's just wrong.

Aren't doing anything? What you don't know could fill a stadium. Your adolescent naivete is touching, but your ignorance isn't. Get yourself educated about the topic before speaking on it, son.

Okay, first of all, don't call me son. I am not your son, I will never be your son, I wouldn't ever want to be your son. Second, it doesn't matter if I'm lacking knowledge on this subject, because I can believe whatever I want to.

I'm against the war in Iraq as well, but it's pretty clear you're just regurgitating things you've heard adults talk about, and haven't done any independent study of this on your own.

Well, first I'm just repeating what adults are talking about. I can think for myself, that is why I have a brain. You might want to invest in one. And, yeah, I don't need to study, you should have figured that out already, son.



So, if anyone wants to continue this argument, you might as well just PM me because I don't want the boards to be clogged with your silly information, son.

[Lars Vermundsberget]

That is why we have a military, to go and make everything worse for everyone living.

That's not actually why we have a military. The military's purpose is the defense of the nation. Other nations have militaries as well. How that defense is carried out is something that is continually debated and altered as various Congresses and Presidential administrations change.

There may be good reason to be critical, but I guess it'd be far-fetched to say that the purpose of the military (in the US) is to "make everything worse for everyone living". And yes, other nations, basically peaceful and democratic ones, have them as well... The basic reason is that other countries also have armed forces - and some are even more than others influenced by distrust of other countries, and some have "imperialistic ambitions". Unfortunate, but part of human nature, isn't it...?

[PapiBear]

The law says otherwise. Again, thank God there's no draft at this time. If that changes, you're in for a big surprise.

Well, the law is completely wrong. The law that picks us up from our home and puts us in danger is completely against the US amendments. It's just wrong.

Well, you're welcome to take that challenge to the Supreme Court and see if they agree with you.

Aren't doing anything? What you don't know could fill a stadium. Your adolescent naivete is touching, but your ignorance isn't. Get yourself educated about the topic before speaking on it, son.

Okay, first of all, don't call me son. I am not your son, I will never be your son, I wouldn't ever want to be your son.

Relax, it's just a saying. You're a kid who doesn't know what he's talking about, and it shows in your language.

Second, it doesn't matter if I'm lacking knowledge on this subject, because I can believe whatever I want to.

I repeat, you're a kid who doesn't know what he's talking about, and it shows in your language. Sure, you can believe that the earth is flat if you want to. Doesn't mean it is.

I'm against the war in Iraq as well, but it's pretty clear you're just regurgitating things you've heard adults talk about, and haven't done any independent study of this on your own.

Well, first I'm just repeating what adults are talking about.

I know. That's what I said.

I can think for myself, that is why I have a brain.

Right, and I'm just encouraging you to use it instead of repeating what other people say.

You might want to invest in one.

Oh, I see, you think you know everything and I don't know anything, is that it? You've got a lot to learn about the world, kid. (And before you go getting your panties in a twist about being called a kid, that's exactly what you are.)

And, yeah, I don't need to study, you should have figured that out already, son.

Oh, you don't need to study, I see. Well, ladies and gentlemen, we've just got the biggest genius the world's ever known here! He doesn't need to use his brain, study, or do anything but mimic what other people say!

So, if anyone wants to continue this argument, you might as well just PM me because I don't want the boards to be clogged with your silly information, son.

Why should I? You know everyting already, right? Nobody can tell you anything, since you've decided that you know it all.

Enjoy life, kid. Get ready for some surprises and disappointments.

[Lazario]

My reference to Lazario was in no way intended to be rude

That's a ball-faced lie. And you've got a lot of guts trying to pass it off as truth. Or is it just phlegm? You most certainly did do it to be rude, you were way off the mark, and I gave you an out. I said you could drop it and make everyone happy. Instead you come back lying about it. Now, if you don't want to hear anymore about it, I suggest you drop it right here.

[memnv]

why would he drop it if you keep pushing it best thing would be to let it drop Lazario, He appologized and you keep pushing

[Lazario]

why would he drop it if you keep pushing it best thing would be to let it drop Lazario, He appologized and you keep pushing

Memnv, was I talking to you? You have no right to be saying this right now. You are not DVDjunkie. Are you? You do not know what he was saying. And he did not apologize to me because he didn't address what I said. Not that I asked for an apology - all I said was, "drop it." Now, you'd better drop this. Because this does not concern you in the least.

[memnv]

When it is in a forum it concerns everyone, and I have every right to reply, I do not take to threats to kindly. instead of fighting here take it to the pms or better yet e-mail if you dont want others involved.

[candydog]

I partially agree with sequelofdisney. I think it's terrible in this day and age that people still have to be forced to go into war. I think it's terrible that we have wars period, but that's a separate issue.

What annoys me is the principal of the thing, I live in the UK, so this doesn't even apply to me, yet I'm so angered by it. To think that young American men can be forced onto a battle field in the famed "land of liberty" is disgusting. Between the ages of 18 - 25, the government effectively OWNS all males in the country. They have no real freedom. Yeah, sure, for now they lead their ordinary day to day lives, but there's always that possibility that they could be called to war. HIGHLY unlikely, but infuriatingly possible.

Just because you are born a male, does that make you a potential killing machine? The battlefield is a terrible place, no one should have to see it. I don't care who's served in the military or what they've done. The people in there have chosen to be there. In general, it seems that the men of America will never have that choice to make by themselves.

[Lars Vermundsberget]

In general, it seems that the men of America will never have that choice to make by themselves.

I don't know if it helps any, but to whatever degree what you say there is true, there's nothing uniquely American about it.

[carter1971]

What annoys me is the principal of the thing, I live in the UK, so this doesn't even apply to me, yet I'm so angered by it. To think that young American men can be forced onto a battle field in the famed "land of liberty" is disgusting.

The UK may not require registration at 18 like the US does, but they can and have forced their citizens into military service, most recently in World War II. And while no one likes war, and could debate the necessity of many wars throughout history, anyone would have to admit that it was necessary then. Either that, or let Hitler take all of the Eastern hemisphere. The sad fact is that freedom must sometimes be sacrificed through the draft so that it can be preserved and enjoyed by all in the future. As the old expression says, "Freedom isn't free."

[Lazario]

When it is in a forum it concerns everyone, and I have every right to reply, I do not take to threats to kindly. instead of fighting here take it to the pms or better yet e-mail if you dont want others involved.

Memnv, I will say this one more time, and one more time only...

I was talking to DVDjunkie, not you. And I'm not okay with you interrupting to cause further friction. Which you have no right to do - regardless of how much you think you're a Mod. And since I am one of the key members of the discussion, not including you, between myself and DVDjunkie - I say "butt out."

I have made myself perfectly clear and will not be doing so again. You've had trouble with this concept in this past. Why didn't you learn your lesson before? You do not bark orders at people in a discussion if you're not involved.

[memnv]

Then send him a private message Lazario, your posts to him sound like a threat, which could be a reason for bannishment. His posts were not any better but you have stepped up and been the bigger person in this instead of provoking for retaliation

[Lazario]

Then send him a private message Lazario, your posts to him sound like a threat, which could be a reason for bannishment. His posts were not any better but you have stepped up and been the bigger person in this instead of provoking for retaliation

MEMNV, I HAVE MADE THIS ABUNDANTLY CLEAR FOR YOU TIME AND TIME AGAIN:

I did not ask for your advice. I told you to stop interrupting my conversations with other people that do not concern you. THIS DOES NOT CONCERN YOU.

And you have no right to order me around. NO RIGHT AT ALL. Not now, not before, and you won't have it later.

IS THAT CLEAR YET?!

[memnv]

Then keep it off the forum. I dont care what you want

If you want to have it out with me then E-Mail me

[PapiBear]

Then send him a private message Lazario, your posts to him sound like a threat, which could be a reason for bannishment. His posts were not any better but you have stepped up and been the bigger person in this instead of provoking for retaliation

MEMNV, I HAVE MADE THIS ABUNDANTLY CLEAR FOR YOU TIME AND TIME AGAIN:

I did not ask for your advice. I told you to stop interrupting my conversations with other people that do not concern you. THIS DOES NOT CONCERN YOU.

And you have no right to order me around. NO RIGHT AT ALL. Not now, not before, and you won't have it later.

IS THAT CLEAR YET?!

If it's just between him and you, tough guy, take it to PM. If you think none of us have the right to comment on it, then none of us want to read it. Understood? Good.

And stop thinking that being an internet thug is going to impress us, because it isn't.

[memnv]

that is what I am saying Papibear, I understand what Junkie said about him was uncalled for, but some people let things get to personal and if they dont want others involved should not post here