"Heroes" Discussion

TM2-Megatron · Post by **TM2-Megatron** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:49 pm

slave2moonlight wrote:Yeah, I hope Peter does have powers and that he doesn't really have to be around his brother to use them (because that would suck for Peter), but I really have no clue what is up with them at this point. I do wish we had found out a little more about those two and their powers already, but I guess that's supposed to keep us coming back...

It might be that his powers are more alongs the lines of Rogue from X-Men... although if that were the case then his is slightly more useful since he doesn't need the touch a person to use their power, and doing so apparently doesn't drain them of any energy.

xxhplinkxx · Post by **xxhplinkxx** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:46 pm

TM2-Megatron wrote:It might be that his powers are more alongs the lines of Rogue from X-Men... although if that were the case then his is slightly more useful since he doesn't need the touch a person to use their power, and doing so apparently doesn't drain them of any energy.

No, I dont think his powers are anything like Rogue's. Maybe the problem is he's trying too hard to use his powers? No thats not true either cuz Hiro tried to use them and he was able to learn to control them. Damn, it really would suck if he has to be around Nathan all the time.

Nikki, although scared of her powers(?) seems to understand them and possibly know how to use them? or... actually no, I just think her other side just turns itself on when it feels like it. I actually wanted to see her put her heel through the guys head though.

It was the first time we got to see Isaac use his power. Thought it was awesome. Id like to see more of that. Its just really funny that he has to be high to use his power. Kinda reminds me of this X-Men character that my friend told me about that has to be drunk to use her powers.

As for the Claire situation, I cant believe she decided to do something so drastic. I was hoping that she would just turn him over to the police or something, but to actually kill the guy... Im not saying he didnt deserve something like that cause he obviously raped more girls than Claire and the other one and most likely would have just kept on raping them, but I just wasnt expecting her to kill him. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned, lol.

Just Myself · Post by **Just Myself** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:50 pm

I bet that Peter is an empath; someone who can mimic others' ablities when close by. They even mentioned this when he was talking to Mohinder.

Cheers,
JM

numba1lostboy · Post by **numba1lostboy** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:54 pm

Just Myself wrote:I bet that Peter is an empath; someone who can mimic others' ablities when close by. They even mentioned this when he was talking to Mohinder.

Cheers,
JM

That sounds like it would be cool. But it would be a cool plot twist if the brothers had to be together to use their flying power...they don't seem that close and it would help their relationship grow...you know?

xxhplinkxx · Post by **xxhplinkxx** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 10:31 pm

numba1lostboy wrote:That sounds like it would be cool. But it would be a cool plot twist if the brothers had to be together to use their flying power...they don't seem that close and it would help their relationship grow...you know?

I dont think so cause in the preview for next weeks episode we saw Nathan fly off by himself and I definately dont think Peter was anywhere near.

BrandonH · Post by **BrandonH** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:15 am

We didn't see the aftermath of Claire's crash on the show, so don't assume anything. In fact, the graphic novel on NBC's website does show what happened, so the curious should venture there.

This is my favorite show this season. I can't wait to see how the Heroes will avert disaster.

Fidget1234 · Post by **Fidget1234** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 3:52 pm

Just Myself wrote:I bet that Peter is an empath; someone who can mimic others' ablities when close by. They even mentioned this when he was talking to Mohinder.

Cheers,
JM

yes- sounds alot like Rogue from XMen.
and that lady w/ the 2 personalities... one good, one evil-
i think her son Micah is going to play a part in the saving of the city. he's already considered a 'boy genius' and it seems as tho the special abilities is a genetic thing- much like peter & nathan-as they both have powers.

hiro is my fav!!

xxhplinkxx · Post by **xxhplinkxx** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:06 pm

HOLY CRAP!! This episode was awesome!! Peter mimics people powers!!! Ahhh thats crazy! And Isaac really needs to learn how to control his power without having to shoot up... And D.L. can walk through walls it appears... GAH!! Im so friggin excited!! This show just gets better with every episode! The story with the cop had me a little bored. He seems like the weakest character so far... I dunno, Im just not feeling him yet. They have to spice up his story line. But man, I was on the edge of my seat all night, lol. Next weeks is gonna be even better.

TM2-Megatron · Post by **TM2-Megatron** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:13 pm

xxhplinkxx wrote:HOLY CRAP!! This episode was awesome!! Peter mimics people powers!!! Ahhh thats crazy! And Isaac really needs to learn how to control his power without having to shoot up... And D.L. can walk through walls it appears... GAH!! Im so friggin excited!! This show just gets better with every episode! The story with the cop had me a little bored. He seems like the weakest character so far... I dunno, Im just not feeling him yet. They have to spice up his story line. But man, I was on the edge of my seat all night, lol. Next weeks is gonna be even better.

Which is basically what I said at the top of the page and you disagreed; surprise, surprise.

Nathan's quite a quick flier, apparently, when he wants to be. The only person we'd really seen use their powers to any great extent directly on camera up to now was Claire, but all that changed tonight. No more obscuring angles to add mystery, looks like we'll finally get to see some real power usage from here on in. I wouldn't mind seeing what Hiro's teleportation looks like from the point of view of an observer.

slave2moonlight · Post by **slave2moonlight** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:46 am

That really was SUCH an awesome episode! Loved Nathan's landing outside the diner! And the cop story is one I liked from the beginning. I guess I appreciate that they didn't cast yet another "pretty boy" in at least one of the parts (I mean, this guy's a little more of a doughy, average guy looking type), and I always thought the mind reading stuff was very interesting. And, now it's getting to be too much for him!

I'm only concerned with them copying X-Men too much, with the Rogue like power borrowing of Peter and the fact that Nikki has always reminded me very much of Phoenix from the 3rd film. Still, I'm really digging this show!!! Probably as much as Smallville, which I've been watching since episode 1!

TM2-Megatron · Post by **TM2-Megatron** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:59 am

slave2moonlight wrote:That really was SUCH an awesome episode! Loved Nathan's landing outside the diner! And the cop story is one I liked from the beginning. I guess I appreciate that they didn't cast yet another "pretty boy" in at least one of the parts (I mean, this guy's a little more of a doughy, average guy looking type), and I always thought the mind reading stuff was very interesting. And, now it's getting to be too much for him!

Yeah, I've appreciated the cop's story for basically the same reasons. I wish more American television programs could realise that not everyone need be drop dead gorgeous.

slave2moonlight wrote:I'm only concerned with them copying X-Men too much, with the Rogue like power borrowing of Peter and the fact that Nikki has always reminded me very much of Phoenix from the 3rd film.

With superhero things, it's inevitable that some of the powers will resemble those from other series... that's a given. Besides, the 3rd X-Men movie sucked hard, and the Phoenix was portrayed incorrectly, anyway. There was no split-personality bull**** in the real story.

slave2moonlight · Post by **slave2moonlight** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:52 pm

TM2-Megatron wrote: Yeah, I've appreciated the cop's story for basically the same reasons. I wish more American television programs could realise that not everyone need be drop dead gorgeous.

I think that has a lot to do with why I really like horror from around the 70s or so. They didn't focus as much on looks, so the actors, even when they were attractive, looked like regular people. It made it much easier to believe the movie. When I go into a modern horror film and see all the hot young girls who look like they came right off the old WB Network, I can't shake the knowledge that I'm watching a film, and that it's all fake. I still like to see those types of flicks, but I'm usually watching them more for the hotties than anything else.

TM2-Megatron wrote: With superhero things, it's inevitable that some of the powers will resemble those from other series... that's a given. Besides, the 3rd X-Men movie sucked hard, and the Phoenix was portrayed incorrectly, anyway. There was no split-personality bull**** in the real story.

Ah, but the trouble is that the collection of powers in a group of heroes usually seems to mimic another specific group. Take the Incredibles and how clearly they mimic the Fantastic Four specifically. The stretchy one, the invisibility/forcefield one, the strong one, and the baby who can to a number of things, including set himself ablaze. Sure, they throw in the fast character too, but it still is very reminiscent of the Fantastic Four over anything. I'm not knocking it, I'm just making that point. I LOVE that movie myself. And, with "Heroes," even from the beginning, it has had an "X-Men" feel to the whole thing. It manages to stay pretty original in its storytelling though, and I just hope it maintains that.

Have to disagree about X-Men 3 though. Not about it being different from the comics, but about it sucking hard. I thought it was great and seem to find that people are pretty split on the subject.

DisneyRoyalty · Post by **DisneyRoyalty** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 12:37 am

I am such a fanatic of this show. It's really got me hooked. And I must say that I do agree about when you have some kind of super hereo show, it's going to resemble previous things with the same theme.

And would disagree that Niki's powers are similar to the Phoenix in X-Men 3, because Jean Grey was telekenetic, and had immense power that over took her. The only similarites I see are with the split personality, but her other personality was out for evil. Whereas Niki's alter ego seems to help Niki, even though it may not be in the most pleasant of ways. Her alter ego also seems very protective of Micah, her son, because when he was threatend that's when the alter ego (who does has a different name!) came through and kicked the crap outta the guy. If anything Niki's powers remind me of The Hulk. The alter ego coming out of a nice person, but usually only when the person is in a compromising or dangerous situation.

TM2-Megatron · Post by **TM2-Megatron** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:56 am

slave2moonlight wrote:
TM2-Megatron wrote: Yeah, I've appreciated the cop's story for basically the same reasons. I wish more American television programs could realise that not everyone need be drop dead gorgeous.
I think that has a lot to do with why I really like horror from around the 70s or so. They didn't focus as much on looks, so the actors, even when they were attractive, looked like regular people. It made it much easier to believe the movie. When I go into a modern horror film and see all the hot young girls who look like they came right off the old WB Network, I can't shake the knowledge that I'm watching a film, and that it's all fake. I still like to see those types of flicks, but I'm usually watching them more for the hotties than anything else.

Yeah, it's also why I watch a lot of British television and movies... they aren't so focused on filling their stuff with incredibly attractive people as they are with making a decent, enjoyable program. With the modern horror movies, I'm watching it mostly for the gratuitous sex scenes and subsequent slaughter of those involved (usually in the act), lol.

slave2moonlight wrote:Have to disagree about X-Men 3 though. Not about it being different from the comics, but about it sucking hard. I thought it was great and seem to find that people are pretty split on the subject.

To each his own, but I found this movie to be awful, and creatively bankrupt. They couldn't come up with anything good, so they went on a "kill (or neuter) every decent character introduced in the last 2 movies" spree; probably purely out of spite because the first 2 films were actually good. They handled the Phoenix character in a ridiculous way. They should've kept the original director instead of hiring whatever hack actually did the job. Micheal Bay, judging by the crap-factor... or someone equally stupid.

BrandonH · Post by **BrandonH** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:41 pm

For the record, Brett Ratner was the director for X-Men: The Last Stand.

I really dug this week's episode. It had some nice surprises, more meetings of characters, and Hiro was as fun as ever. "Waffles. Wahoo!"

2099net · Post by **2099net** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 2:56 am

TM2-Megatron wrote:
slave2moonlight wrote:Have to disagree about X-Men 3 though. Not about it being different from the comics, but about it sucking hard. I thought it was great and seem to find that people are pretty split on the subject.
To each his own, but I found this movie to be awful, and creatively bankrupt. They couldn't come up with anything good, so they went on a "kill (or neuter) every decent character introduced in the last 2 movies" spree; probably purely out of spite because the first 2 films were actually good. They handled the Phoenix character in a ridiculous way. They should've kept the original director instead of hiring whatever hack actually did the job. Micheal Bay, judging by the crap-factor... or someone equally stupid.

OK, a digression but while I don't like Ratner's work, I'll defend him in this case.

He came on to a movie Singer started. Singer was then offered a chance to do Superman and jumped at it. Who wouldn't. Plus, that movie had been in production hell for so long, he couldn't afford to say "I'll do it next year after X3" or whatever. So he asked Fox if he could do Superman Returns and come back to X3. Fox said no. And Fox also became determined to have X3 out before Superman Returns. As a result they kicked Singer off the project and announced a release date for X3 without the film having a director or even a proper story.

Some British director was contracted. I can't remember his name, but he directed the cult Layer Cake movie over here. He, by the way, was responsible for the casting of Vinnie Jones. British director found the stress too much, and quit. Poor Ratner came on with (I think) 5 weeks pre-production until shooting started. No director could do a good job in that time for such a demanding movie. But Fox were locked into their release date and wouldn't budge.

On top of all this, artistic squabbles over credit listings with certain actors (I won't name who, but in my opinion his/her character hadn't done much in the previous films and should have just been dropped) meant that the Phoenix character had her part constantly reduced, and Famke Janssen's role (and billing) reduced. The story wasn't the story Singer, or the writers wanted to tell.

numba1lostboy · Post by **numba1lostboy** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 8:39 am

^Wow, I never knew that. Thanks for the info, Netty.
I agree with everyone who says the movie could have been better, but I am also satisfied with what we got. If Singer wants to take on a fourth X-Men film, he won't hear complaints from me. I would really love to know about the other X-Men who were never featured in the trilogy (Gambit and Jubilee for instance). Also, with three primary characters dead, and a certain oscar winner claiming she won't be back for another X-Men film, there would be a lot of room to explore new storylines. The second one is still my favorite, but I appreciated this film because it gave the teenage mutants some extra screentime and chances to use their powers. If a fourth film is made, I want more of that. And give Angel some stories! He was touted as a big character in this movie, but then all he does is fly around without a shirt...what the H? And Rogue losing her power?? That was where I really didn't like this new film. But, in the deleted scenes, there's an alternate ending in which Rogue says she "couldn't go through with it." That should have been the ending in the movie!!
As long as they keep Hugh Jackman as Wolverine, I will see every X-Men movie ever made.

BrandonH · Post by **BrandonH** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:35 pm

While not as jam-packed with plot this week, Heroes was still quite satisfying, especially for those of us who actually like the story of Niki, DL, and Micah.

I could watch a whole show of just Hiro and Ando. Those two light up the screen whenever they appear.

I'm amazed at all the episodes we're getting in a row. Seven episodes without reruns is great, and we'll probably get even more due to November sweeps.

numba1lostboy · Post by **numba1lostboy** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:21 pm

Whoever said that Mohinder's little friend had an alterior motive totally called that one. I was disappointed, though. She was cute

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Niki's story is really taking off. Why did she kill those guys at the poker game? Why does her alter-ego seem to be like the Gollum to her Smeagol?
Did DL kill her?

We saw virtually nothing of Peter and Isaac and the episode was devoid of all Nathan-related storyline. I'm guessing Peter was away visiting Simone for Isaac's painting when that girl showed up.

Claire's story is my favorite. I love how she absent-mindedly uses her power. The whole thing with her "real" parents stunk of set-up from the start. This "dad" of hers really has me freaked. What's he going to do with Isaac, assuming the girl succeeds in "bringing him in." And now he knows that message about saving the cheerleader...

Hiro really needs to learn English. It bothers me that I can't look away from the screen for fear I'll miss dialogue. I do like his storyline, though.

From the looks of the sneak preview for next week, Micah has inherited some powers, too. Neato.

slave2moonlight · Post by **slave2moonlight** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 12:38 am

This show continues to be very good, but I missed the characters not seen this time. I like the story of the cop who we didn't see at all this time (unless I was in the kitchen taking out the Halloween cookies from the oven and missed something). I also love the stuff about Peter and Nathan. Didn't like not getting ANY of that this time. Still, another good episode.

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