Artist Discussion Series: Madonna

[Lazario]

Why am I doing this out in Hollywood? I've been in movies and I'm not that good!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpsf8H04z6s

'Hey Britney, look what I can do with a pole!'

Dumb question, but is that the French & Saunders parody (on the Back with a Vengeance DVD)? When I watched that, I didn't laugh at all. But I think that's because I haven't seen the original Britney/Madonna video.

[Wonderlicious]

Dumb question, but is that the French & Saunders parody (on the Back with a Vengeance DVD)? When I watched that, I didn't laugh at all. But I think that's because I haven't seen the original Britney/Madonna video.

Well, today's your lucky day! (is it luck in the first place, though? I don't know )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArQ7td32bh0

[crunkcourt]

Madonna's songs from the 80's such as Material Girls, Like a Virgin, and Like a Prayer (my personal favorite of hers) are among the greatest songs of all time. However, she has lost her appeal lately. I honestly can't remember the last hit of hers I really enjoyed, but I will always hold her early songs in my heart. Madonna is also in one of my all time favorite movies, A League of Their Own, and I will always respect her for that.

[ichabod]

Dumb question, but is that the French & Saunders parody (on the Back with a Vengeance DVD)?

Yes it is, and for comparison, the original GAP commercial!

[Lazario]

I knew that, I've seen that Madonna/Missy GAP commercial at least 30 times. It's a good one too, I have to say.

[MadonnasManOne]

For those who did not get to see Madonna on her latest, record breaking tour, NBC will be broadcasting the Confessions Tour Live, on November 22nd. Word is that NBC will not show the "Live To Tell" portion of the show, which wouldn't surprise me. People only see what they want to see.

[Josh]

Personally, I really, really dislike Madonna. However I respect the fact that millions, if not billions, of people world-wide love her. I think issues like whether or not you think an artist is good or not, is 100% Personnal Opinion, so I hope no-one plans on getting angry at me because I dislike her, because I am sure that there are Artists I love, who some Madonna-Fans absolutely hate...(However, I liked Hung Up, and I still enjoy 'Like A Prayer', I like her songs, just not her)

Btw Aaron, Good Work! I think these Artist Discussion Series threads are a fantastic Idea! But...what are the odds of this happening? Sorry, I'm not very good at Photoshop.


This isn't a request or anything, I'm just obsessed with nearly everything on TV, and need an excuse to talk about Family Guy and Sailor Moon with other members In fact, I'd love to write one of these

[AwallaceUNC]

That's an awesome banner. I have actually been thinking about doing a TV Discussion Series for a while but haven't gotten around to the banner or anything so you can go ahead with it if you'd like.

-Aaron

[numba1lostboy]

Great job with the banner! I could never do that.
The Discussion Threads are a great idea, but do you know that there are threads already devoted to discussing the new seasons of Grey's Anatomy and Desperate Housewives?

[Josh]

Great job with the banner! I could never do that.
The Discussion Threads are a great idea, but do you know that there are threads already devoted to discussing the new seasons of Grey's Anatomy and Desperate Housewives?

Thanks! I haven't even finished the banner, but that was just me mucking around on Photoshop!
Yeh, I've read those threads, however like you said, they are devoted to the expectance of the new and upcoming Seasons. The Discussion Threads consist of the shows history, whats happened so far, previous seasons etc. Whereas 'The New Seasons thread' usually consist of people say over and over again, "I can't wait for the new season! ",
Plus, I can think of WAY more shows to do other than Desperate Housewives and Greys Anatomy! I don't really watch them as much as others who would be better to do those threads, I just want to do Family Guy and Sailor Moon. Plus, I'm not even sure if I'm going to do it
Sorry if I sounded rude, I didn't mean to be, however thanks for complimenting the banner Greatly Appreciated!

[Lazario]

I think issues like whether or not you think an artist is good or not, is 100% Personal Opinion, so I hope no-one plans on getting angry at me because I dislike her, because I am sure that there are Artists I love, who some Madonna-Fans absolutely hate...(However, I liked Hung Up, and I still enjoy 'Like A Prayer', I like her songs, just not her)

I don't think anyone's going to get angry with you over dislike. It's when you say things that aren't true that ellicit 'anger' and you haven't said anything untrue.

However, Madonna is a great artist. It's a proven fact. Judge her not by the millions and billions of fans. But by how hard she's worked, the quality of her music, and her impact on pop music and pop culture. But you don't like her, no crime, so you won't.

Here's another fact: If Madonna is not a Great Artist, than there are absolutely No Great Artists at all, never were, and there never will be

If you say you like her songs but not her... That's a weird one. At least the way I initially read it. There are several things about her that turn people off - the intelligence, the open sexuality, the controntational style of much of her work. However if you hate these things, you might have some serious issues with women. Other people just don't like pop music - again, no crime. But if you don't like pop music, how can you like her songs? Now, if you were saying that you like some of her songs but not her, that's completely normal. In fact, that's the Same Boat that the majority of her fans are in. I don't think MadonnasManOne or I represent the average Madonna fan. The average fan of any incredibly popular artist is not devoted and doesn't even technically have to acknowledge themselves as a fan for longer than 1 of her hits is in circulation on radio / video-tv airplay.

Other people just don't like Madonna because she's not Britney Spears or Christina Aguilera, she's not with the "new" crowd of musicians - that's one of those cold, hard facts of life - people get bored with older music. Which is why Madonna's new music is so prolific, important, and damn great - what she is accomplishing musically now is amazing. Both for her age and given her musical past. If that isn't giving back to everyone who loves her, I don't know what it is. Another trait of a great artist.

It's too bad that you might like her songs but not her. That's the sign of someone confused or lacking a sense of commitment in their life. The easiest thing to do is look at something entertainment related. How the heck does it bite back? It can't. So one never has to worry about getting involved. You can just turn it off whenever you want to - unless you're in school. Which sucks

[Lars Vermundsberget]

Some tough, possibly controversial, "facts" there...

[HalRoachFan]

Some tough, possibly controversial, "facts" there...

Yeah, coming from someone who agrees that Madonna is a good artist, it's an opinion, hardly a fact. The only facts you can point out about Madonna is her popularity and sales numbers. Whether she's a good artist or not is a matter of opinion and taste.

[HalRoachFan]

Here's another fact: If Madonna is not a Great Artist, than there are absolutely No Great Artists at all, never were, and there never will be

Again, it's an opinion, one that other people may not agree with. There are countless other legends of the past that people love and believe are the greatest artists ever.

If you say you like her songs but not her... That's a weird one. At least the way I initially read it. There are several things about her that turn people off - the intelligence, the open sexuality, the controntational style of much of her work. However if you hate these things, you might have some serious issues with women.

What the... The guy just might not like her personality. But then you bring up Madonna's traits and accuse him of possibly having problems with women. That is just crazy.

Now, if you were saying that you like some of her songs but not her, that's completely normal.

I thought it was kind of obvious that this was what he meant. From his post, he clearly doesn't like all of her music.

Lazario, no offense, but really, you need to stop calling your opinions "facts." It makes you sound really obssessive.

[Lazario]

That is just crazy.

No, I wasn't suggesting that this person is crazy. Possibly on the road to, but I'm not a Psychiatrist

Lazario, no offense, but really, you need to stop calling your opinions "facts." It makes you sound really obsessive.

None taken. But you can tell when I'm sharing an opinion - I say, IMO. Glad I could clear this up.

[MadonnasManOne]

From TV.com:

http://www.tv.com/tracking/viewer.html? ... f_type=104

Madonna Breaks World Wealth Record

Singing superstar Madonna has smashed pop rival Britney Spears' record for the highest annual earnings by a female singer. The Material Girl raked in an estimated $50 million in 2004 - over $10 million more than Spears earned in 2000.

[HalRoachFan]

From TV.com:

http://www.tv.com/tracking/viewer.html? ... f_type=104

Madonna Breaks World Wealth Record

Singing superstar Madonna has smashed pop rival Britney Spears' record for the highest annual earnings by a female singer. The Material Girl raked in an estimated $50 million in 2004 - over $10 million more than Spears earned in 2000.

That's good. Go away, Britney Spears! ----->

[Lars Vermundsberget]

I guess there is some sort of "objectivity" to Madonna's greatness - somewhat similar to that of Frank Sinatra.

[AwallaceUNC]

"Great" is one of those words that can be read in a subjective or objective context. "Great" as in boasting unusual achievement or exerting notable influence is objective. "Great" as in really good, inspiring, impressive, or superior in quality is subjective. In the objective sense, there's no question that Madonna is a truly great artist. I would argue that the same is true for everyone in this discussion series. In the subjective sense, it is purely a matter of personal taste and opinion.

-Aaron

[Lazario]

Madonna's music has almost always been remarkably strong. In one way or another.

Her lyrics have often reflected her undying passion to making great music (Evita may have humbled her, but since then, the sound of her music itself has been a bit bigger than her performance inside of it, hence many technical manipulations of her voice on all her albums beginning with Ray of Light) and you can hear the intelligence, wit, and power she infuses it with.

When people question her worth, influence, and ability in music - they forget some of her best songs have helped define our whole idea of what pop music is - for better. Who can truly deny "Take a Bow," "Papa Don't Preach," "Live to Tell," "Vogue," "Secret," "Like a Prayer," "Material Girl," "Express Yourself," "This Used to Be Our Playground," "Into the Groove," "Borderline"... These are just some of the greatest pop songs of all time. Through and through, there isn't a single fault in any of these songs. They are absolutely perfect. And anyone who would dismiss Madonna without really thinking about these songs - they haven't heard them or aren't willing to actually listen to them. Taste or not, preference or not, Madonna is truly one of the greatest pop artists of all time.

So again, anyone who disagrees - you are wrong. Sorry. That's all you need to know (but I'll tell you more, later)