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Lord Yupa wrote: Kiki's Delivery Service
Well I haven't seen the other movies you've listed, but I did see this one. It really wasn't that good IMO. Definatly not top 25 worthy.
chaychay102royal wrote: What flaws do you find in films like The Little Mermaid?
I use to love this film, now I just find it annoying! Poor Who Framed Roger Rabbit! :(
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I have to agree with Timon/Pumba fan about the whole The Little Mermaid thing. Don't get me wrong, TLM is a very good Disney flim but I don't understand why everyone loves it so much. Especially Ariel. She's pretty selfish. I mean she would rather spend the rest of her life with a guy she doesn't even know rather with her father and sisters. Also, everyone calls this the movie that saved Disney. That may be true but that's just because it was the first of the Fantasic Four.(That's what I call the Disney
renaissance) If Beauty & The Beast, Aladdin, or The Lion King were first, they would be calling any of those flims the beginning of the Disney renaissance.

I know alot of people are going to hate me after I post this message, so I say this one more time. I like TLM. I's probably in my top ten Disney flims. I just don't understand why it gets so much attention.
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this list is an absolute pile of shark tale(garbage).

South Park is a good movie, but no number 3, not even close.
The top five should have consisted of the original 5 animated classics, now those are pieces of artwork. Also, Pixar films are good, but not as good as these guys think. Alice in Wonderland, Sleeping Beauty, Peter Pan, 101 dalmatians, and Lady and the Tramp should all be on the list.
Final Fantasy and South Park definately do not belong on the top 25.
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Timon/Pumba fan wrote:
I use to love this film, now I just find it annoying! Poor Who Framed Roger Rabbit! :(
Yes, poor me. :( :( :lol:

Actually even though it is a hybrid, WFRR could almost be a standalone animated film if you only took all the minutes that had some type of animation in them. The commentary says its around 55 minutes, so it's nearly there. :p

I enjoyed the songs in the Little Mermaid more than the movie itself. But to each their own.
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Timon/Pumba fan wrote:
Lord Yupa wrote: Kiki's Delivery Service
Well I haven't seen the other movies you've listed, but I did see this one. It really wasn't that good IMO. Definatly not top 25 worthy.
Well I thought it was a very excellent masterpiece. The movie shows excellent plot development, better than most Disney movies. The character development is one of the best in all animated movies. The score is also one of the finest in animation. The movie is one of the best.

The reason the a lot of the Ghibli movies wern't in the list, is because they are relatively unknown in America. The only two on the list are the two that have gotten theatrical releases(besides Howl's).
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TashieGirl wrote:Especially Ariel. She's pretty selfish.
That argument has always been ridicolous in my opinion. Every hero / heroine is selfish. We follow the adventures they chose! The adventures they wanted. No one promised The Adventures of Mother Teressa! Belle wanted an adventureous life, Snow White wanted a prince she's never seen (well, for a few seconds)... Quassi wanted to see the world, Oliver wanted a family, Aladdin wanted fame and fortune, Lilo wanted someone for herself, to be her friend. Notice a pattern? Ariel wanted to be part of another world (like most people). To call Ariel selfish as an argument of one of the film's weak spot is quite insulting really.
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As much as I love Who Framed Roger Rabbit?, I must say that this whole argument about that and The Little Mermaid is rather ridiculous. We can now argue that if Roger was on the list, than Mary Poppins can be on the list, and if Poppins was on the list, and so on, and so forth.

They're hybrids, and they are not pure and simply, all animated features. Personally, I just don't think a movie with real, live human characters would ever be considered animation.

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DisneyFan 2000 wrote:
TashieGirl wrote:Especially Ariel. She's pretty selfish.
That argument has always been ridicolous in my opinion. Every hero / heroine is selfish. We follow the adventures they chose! The adventures they wanted. No one promised The Adventures of Mother Teressa! Belle wanted an adventureous life, Snow White wanted a prince she's never seen (well, for a few seconds)... Quassi wanted to see the world, Oliver wanted a family, Aladdin wanted fame and fortune, Lilo wanted someone for herself, to be her friend. Notice a pattern? Ariel wanted to be part of another world (like most people). To call Ariel selfish as an argument of one of the film's weak spot is quite insulting really.
Very well said. The Little Mermaid does deserve to be on that list, in my opinion, and I would say that it should be on the list even higher than it is.

That being said, this is a list. Lists are subjective. Not everyone is going to agree. Why one item is on the list, and another isn't, is just the nature of a list. A list is not meant to be comprised of EVERYTHING related to the subject.

I do not feel the list is unreasonable, because it is a list. I would LOVE to have see Cinderella, Lady and the Tramp, and many other Disney films on that list, but I didn't create it.

At any rate, this is a great discussion, and I hope that it will continue to be. Perhaps those of you who disagree with this list so much, could create their own top 25 Animated Films of All Time, and post it within this thread.
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DisneyFan 2000 wrote:
TashieGirl wrote:Especially Ariel. She's pretty selfish.
That argument has always been ridicolous in my opinion. Every hero / heroine is selfish. We follow the adventures they chose! The adventures they wanted. No one promised The Adventures of Mother Teressa! Belle wanted an adventureous life, Snow White wanted a prince she's never seen (well, for a few seconds)... Quassi wanted to see the world, Oliver wanted a family, Aladdin wanted fame and fortune, Lilo wanted someone for herself, to be her friend. Notice a pattern? Ariel wanted to be part of another world (like most people). To call Ariel selfish as an argument of one of the film's weak spot is quite insulting really.
Okay, Maybe I was being somewhat unfair. You do have a good point. I'm sorry if I offened you in any way. :)
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:lol: Lol, you didn't offend me. It's just that I'm very straightfoward about the subject. Mainly because I hear it all too much! :) All I was trying to say that The Little Mermaid deserves it's spot rightfully if for the great formula it gave to future films, or if for the commercial success it had that urged Disney foward to eventually deciding to release a movie annually! It may seem like an obvious choice now, but back then Disney wasn't all too eager to release animated features quickly.
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DisneyFan 2000 wrote:: All I was trying to say that The Little Mermaid deserves it's spot rightfully if for the great formula it gave to future films
Well if that was the case The Black Cauldron would be on the list, since it was the first to have CGI effects.
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I don't agree with the list, but then who does? I agree that TLM should've been higher up, and i don't think that TS2 deserved the top spot, though it is a good movie (2nd fave pixar).

In the end though, whether it was a voted list, or personal, it's still someones opinion, and just as valid as ours, so wha'cha gonna' do :lol:
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Can someone place the list with all the comments here; or at least on a PM?

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TheLittleMerman wrote:As much as I love Who Framed Roger Rabbit?, I must say that this whole argument about that and The Little Mermaid is rather ridiculous. We can now argue that if Roger was on the list, than Mary Poppins can be on the list, and if Poppins was on the list, and so on, and so forth.

They're hybrids, and they are not pure and simply, all animated features. Personally, I just don't think a movie with real, live human characters would ever be considered animation.
You really can't compare Mary Poppins to Roger Rabbit. Mary Poppins only had animation in it for like 20 minutes, plus it could've easily been cut out. The movie wouldn't have been as interesting, but it still could've worked. Roger Rabbit had animation through-out most of the film and it was about animation itself. So that's why I consider Mary Poppins to be more of a live-action film, but I consider Roger Rabbit to be more animated.

Not only that but like I said earlier, this is the movie that made people interested in not just animation but in Disney. I mean there's a reason why Roger Rabbit used to be MGM Studio's mascot. It inspired other movies, it got three shorts that were based on the film, in fact it was originally going to have a sequel. In fact this film would probably still be on of Disney's most popular films today if it weren't for that Disney/Speilberg trouble. So it's really Roger Rabbit that helped Little Mermaid get popular which helped Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin and The Lion King. So technically it was Roger Rabbit that saved animation.

Now am I saying Little Mermaid shouldn't have been on that list? No. In fact I wouldn't mind if it was on that list(though I do think #11 is awfully high) however to say that this film should've been higher because it saved animation is not a very good reason for it to be so high. I think your better off saying, "It should be higher on the list because it's one of my favorites"!
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castleinthesky wrote:
DisneyFan 2000 wrote:: All I was trying to say that The Little Mermaid deserves it's spot rightfully if for the great formula it gave to future films
Well if that was the case The Black Cauldron would be on the list, since it was the first to have CGI effects.
Well, no. If anything it goes to The Great Mouse Detective. :wink:
But if you want to look at it that way, then The Little Mermaid also introduced the beginning of CAPS, a vrey important achievement in animation.
Timon/Pumba fan wrote:to say that this film should've been higher because it saved animation is not a very good reason
Read my posts. They offer much more reasoning. Heck, I've practically ignored the main reason.
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DisneyFan 2000 wrote:
castleinthesky wrote: Well if that was the case The Black Cauldron would be on the list, since it was the first to have CGI effects.
Well, no. If anything it goes to The Great Mouse Detective. :wink:
But if you want to look at it that way, then The Little Mermaid also introduced the beginning of CAPS, a vrey important achievement in animation.
Well that dosn't make sense because The Great Mouse Detective was not the first with CGI, the Black Cauldron was. :roll:
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I'll check again but I'm pretty sure GMD was the first!
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Ultimate Disney wrote:Great Mouse Detective is also historically significant, as it is the first animated film to ever use the computer, doing so to create Big Ben’s gears.
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DaveWadding wrote:
Lord Yupa wrote: Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind?!
DEFINITELY. That was my first thought when I read the list. "Where's Nausicaa?" Then, question 2 was "Why does EVERYONE overrate Spirited Away??"

:? :? :?
Maybe because Spirited Away is not overrated and it really is a masterpiece that will go down in history. Hmm, I think that's it. :wink:
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DisneyFan 2000 wrote:I'll check again but I'm pretty sure GMD was the first!
Yep. Straight from UD:
Ultimate Disney wrote:Great Mouse Detective is also historically significant, as it is the first animated film to ever use the computer, doing so to create Big Ben’s gears.
That is inorrect, whoever said that is wrong.

From Disney.com: http://disney.go.com/vault/archives/mov ... ldron.html

New technology was an important factor in the completion of the film. Video cameras gave animators and directors an immediate and inexpensive record of what their efforts might look like. Computers also made inroads in the manipulation of solid inanimate objects on screen. The dimensions and volume of objects were fed into a computer and then their shapes were perfectly maintained as their movement was generated by programming. Disney's venerable multiplane cameras were updated with computers to expedite and control aperture settings and time exposures. Another technological breakthrough was the development of the APT (Animation Photo Transfer®) process. The first major change in the Studio's method of transferring the artist's drawings to a cel since Xerox® copying replaced hand-inking 20 years earlier, the APT greatly improved the quality of the animator's art.
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Evil Genie Jafar wrote:Can someone place the list with all the comments here; or at least on a PM?

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25. Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within
Arriving at a time when audiences began to question the line between CGI and conventional moviemaking, this ambitious video game adaptation quickly fell of the radar as a cautionary tale for future filmmakers. But the project, which features some of the most exciting computer-generated characters ever put on film, proves to be a rewarding, adult-oriented odyssey that offers more than mere video-game style showdowns. Now on DVD where its technical (much less creative) accomplishments can be fully appreciated, this film offers an intelligent, humanistic alternative to the conventional body-count approaches of live-action adaptations. -TG

24. Pinocchio
Snow White created the animated feature and Pinocchio further elevated the status of the genre and continued a streak of success that Disney would never equal. The classic story of the boy who wanted to become a man is a timeless work of beautiful animation, fun and heartbreaking drama. Disney was also careful to make a film that could cross over in appeal to both children and adults. If you haven't seen Pinocchio in recent years, you might be surprised to discover how dark and, at some moments, twisted the film actually gets. They could never make this film today. -JO

23. Bambi
Both dark and cute, dramatic and humorous, Bambi showed the maturity of animation as an art form upon its release in 1942. While meant to be Disney's second full-length animated film (pre-production began in 1936), Bambi was instead released as the sixth film, largely due to Walt Disney's quest for perfection and realism in telling the story. The film broke new ground in many ways, becoming the first of the Disney animated features to not have any of the songs sung by the characters and to take the bold path of killing off the title character's mother. -BZ

22. Princess Mononoke
Aside from Spirited Away, Princess Mononoke is the best known Miyazaki film stateside. Stunning visual imagery characterizes this lush and gorgeous film about a prince trying to rid he and his village of a curse. Along the way he gets unwittingly involved in a battle between the forest gods and a mining settlement, ultimately bringing Princess Mononoke into the fold. This film makes our list for two sequences alone: the emergence of the Kodoma and our first glimpse of the Great Forest Spirit. Epic in scope, lushly animated, the film is a must see for any serious student of animation. -SH

21. Fantasia
This film isn't merely an engaging series of vignettes, nor an artsy departure from Disney's spate of fairy tale adaptations. Rather, it's an outright classic that elevated the entire medium, and offered an early glimpse of what might be possible in the realm of hand-drawn (and later, computer-generated) animation. "Night on Bald Mountain" offers one of the most chilling embodiments of a piece of music ever envisioned, while "The Sorcerer's Apprecntice" takes Mickey's cheerful countenance and catapults him into a literal maelstrom of mischief. But the sweltering, dinosaur-laden "Rite of Spring" remains an achievement in animation that has yet to be surpassed. Forget about independent follicle motion or bounce shadows - the first, last and best significant benchmarks were made here. -TG

20. Monsters, Inc.
Despite Pixar's preponderance for stories about terrible toddlers, Pete Docter scores one of the company's biggest hits with this irresistible ode to rugrats. When monsters-in-your-closet Sulley (John Goodman) and his best buddy Mike (Billy Crystal) accidentally return from a job with a kid in tow, they find that their natural-born adversaries may in fact prove better as friends than foes; before long, their world - and all of Monstropolis - is thrown into hilarious disarray. Crystal and Goodman have chemistry to burn as our wise-cracking heroes, while Steve Buscemi oozes malevolence as their chameleonic competitor. But it's Mary Gibbs' expressive collection of gurgles as Boo that brings the relationships to life. Even if it eventually takes a full-grown monster to raise them, this movie's sweet enough to make anyone consider having kids. -TG

19. Metropolis
Osamu Tezuka's Metropolis presents one of the grandest visions of animation the world has ever seen. Set in a living, breathing metropolis, the film is based on the manga that was inspired by Fritz Lang's original black and white vision of the future. What results is a gorgeous movie that weaves many different styles of animation seamlessly into one masterful presentation. Not only is the vision big and bold, the story is heartwarming and politically intriguing. Come for the animation, stay for the amazing story. -CC

18. Charlotte's Web
How many times did they make you watch this one in grade school? But it was always fun, right? Charlotte's Web, the 1973 animated film based on E.B. White's classic book, tells the story of a spider named Charlotte who save a talented little pig, Wilbur, from slaughter with the help of a gaggle of barnyard friends. What's not to love? The animation isn't anything to go crazy over, but it's a fun little flick with some memorable music ("The faaair is veritable smorgasbord, orgasboard...") and a touching story. If you don't shed at least one tear at the end, you're an asshole. -BL

17. Transformers: The Movie
I think most of us here hold a very special place in our heart for The Transformers: The Movie. One of the few films that actually delivered on the promise of a film bigger and better than it's TV counterpart, Transformers had it all: Big action, great animation, drama (how shocked were you when Optimus bit the dust?), cursing (could you believe they said the "S" word?), a catchy soundtrack that had us all humming "The Touch" afterwards and the voices of Orson Welles and Leonard Nimoy to boot. The Transformers were a cult phenomenon that invaded pop culture in the 80's and this film was their finest moment. -JO

16. Grave of the Fireflies
Definitely the most heart-rending entry in the list, Grave of the Fireflies is a deeply saddening tale of two children abandoned and alone at the end of World War II. Based on the Akiyuki Nosaka novel, it is not only a comment on the devastation of war, but the purpose of hope in a world that seems to have forgotten how. Truly a drama in every sense of the word, this is not standard animated fare. Not a feel-good movie, but one every citizen of the world should see. -CC

15. Dumbo
Released in 1941, Disney's Dumbo is a classic animated film that is just as brilliant and enjoyable today as it was back then. The movie, which centers around a cute baby elephant who is made fun of because of his huge ears and tries to overcome the challenges he faces because of the unusual deformity, has been a genre favorite for generations. Rumor has it that it was even a favorite of Walt Disney himself, even though he was initially reluctant to make the picture. -BL

14. Shrek
Combining equal parts pop culture & fairy tale references for adults with potty humor for kids, 2001's Shrek proved to be enjoyable on numerous levels. Boasting an incredible number of unique locations for a CG-animated film (36 -- more than any other CG film at the time) and a virtually nonstop run of fairy tale jokes in the first 30 minutes of the movie, Shrek showed that a studio other than Pixar can make a good-looking and fun computer-animated movie. -BZ

13. The Lion King
The Lion King, released in 1994, was just the film that Disney needed to resolidify its place at the top of the animation game as other studios began to cut in on their action. The lushly animated picture with an epic story, fantastic songs, an all-star voice cast, and just the right amount of humor was hailed by critics and immediately embraced by moviegoers. After it was all said and done, the film went on to gross $328.5 million (including an IMAX re-release) at the domestic box office. It also spawned a Broadway musical that became a huge hit and a series of direct-to-video sequels. -BL

12. Toy Story
It's difficult to measure just how much impact Toy Story has had on animated films. It launched Pixar into the limelight, essentially turning a smallish studio into a behemoth (although a loving, cuddly behemoth), it challenged the concept of 2D animation, and spurred other studios to join the 3D revolution. Technically superior and visually striking at its release, the movie is not only a tech marvel, it is a heartwarming story as well. Following the lives of several toys and their quest to please the young boy Andy, it is a finely-crafted tale packed with emotional payoff. No wonder Pixar has gone on to make a string of hits. -CC

11. The Little Mermaid
Bolstered by several of the best songs recorded in Disney's illustrious history ("Kiss the Girl" remains one of Ashman and Menken's great triumphs) not to mention some truly terrific storytelling, The Little Mermaid both began and ended important eras in animation. Ariel (Jodi Benson) was cut straight from the cloth of such classic heroines as Snow White and Sleeping Beauty; that is, she was a prototypical damsel in distress. But she presaged a time when independent, assertive young women would anchor animated releases, and offer audiences protagonists not only to admire, but look up to. That said, the film holds up beautifully, and ranks as one of Disney's last true classics; only Beauty and the Beast and Aladdin would follow before Pixar came thunderously to power with Toy Story. -TG

10. Beauty and the Beast
"Tale as old as time…" So begins the title song of Disney's greatest romance, an animated retelling of the classic tale. With a taut, engaging story, well-imagined characters, and some of the mist breathtaking art Disney has ever managed (and that's saying a lot), Beauty and the Beast stands as a shining example of 2D animation. Nominated as a Best Picture in 1991, it is the only animated film to ever earn such an honor. -CC

9. Aladdin
The follow-up to the wildly successful Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin whisked us away to an ancient realm filled with magic, genies and Peabo Bryson. Its tale of the magic lamp is one of the oldest and most well-known Disney has animated, but they put a fresh spin on it, making Aladdin one of the most lucrative animated films of all time. Much of the credit can go to Robin Williams' spirited performance as the genie, but the film also boasts some of the most breathtaking action sequences and memorable songs in genre history. -CC

8. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
The tagline for the 60th Anniversary stated, "The one that started it all," which is no understatement. With Snow White, old Walt created the modern animated film as we know it. Before this, cartoons were only created for shorts and usually featured unrealistic-looking creatures singing, dancing and being funny. Snow White gave us realistic, human-based animation and combined comedy and drama for a piece of timeless filmmaking that holds up every bit as well today as it did in 1937. Not only a great animated movie, but one of the greatest film achievements of any genre. -JO

7. The Incredibles
A pitch perfect action-adventure, The Incredibles has something for all ages to enjoy. Written and directed by Brad Bird (The Iron Giant), Incredibles combines elements from spy, superhero, family dramas and action flicks, deftly displaying suspense, action, family drama and a mid-life crisis. There's plenty of humor and references for a sci-fi or comic book fan to geek out about, while younger kids get a kick out of super-kids Dash and Violet taking on the bad guys. -BZ

6. Spirited Away
A delightful fantasy adventure, from animation master Hayao Miyazaki, Spirited Away (Sen to Chihiro no Kamikakushi), the story of 10-year-old Sen and her adventures in a haunted town, became an international sensation. Miyazaki says he made the film "for people who used to be 10-years-old and the people who are going to be 10-years-old," and we think he succeeded. Spirited Away, with its intriguing story and eerily beautiful animation, is truly a film for all ages. -BL

5. The Nightmare Before Christmas
Tim Burton didn't direct this stop-motion odyssey, but his fingerprints are all over it: Jack Skellington, former avatar of the best holiday of the year (Halloween, of course), turns his attention to something decidedly more mainstream - Christmas - with disastrous effects. Chris Sarandon, best known as The Princess Bride's Prince Humperdinck, lends Jack the proper air of ingratiating self-importance, but Danny Elfman's rousing lyrics truly give the characters - including the burlap-clad Oogie Boogie (Ken
Page) - a real voice. It's also the only family-oriented flick I can imagine that's perfect viewing for not one but two different holidays. -TG

4. Finding Nemo
Pixar's amazing run of success continued with Finding Nemo, which earned an astounding $340 million domestically. Voiced by Albert Brooks and Ellen Degeneres, it is the tale of a father fish who loses his son in the great ocean, and the journey he must make to bring him back. Told with a blend of sentimentality, madcap energy and wit, Nemo made storytelling look easy. -CC

3. South Park: Bigger, Longer and Uncut
Vulgar, trash-talking kids from a podunk town in a feature film? It's a musical you say? Naysayers expected little more than crass humor from the South Park movie, but Trey Parker and Matt Stone provided proof of their twisted genius with a film that was at once a great take on the TV show as well as a legitimately great musical. On top of that, the comic duo pulled one over on the MPAA, who didn't "get" the joke of the title until it was too late. -JO

2. Iron Giant
When writer-director Brad Bird's The Iron Giant was released in 1999, fans of animation everywhere were thirsting for something fresh and rejuvenating for the genre. With no formulaic storytelling, no cheesed-out ending and not a single song-and-dance sequence, the disarmingly charming science fiction tale of young Hogarth Hughes and his 50-foot-tall, steel-eating friend from outer space was just what we had all been waiting for. -BL

1. Toy Story 2
One of the few sequels that manages to surpass an already great original film, Toy Story 2 showed that animated sequels could exist without being inferior, cash-grabbing versions of their predecessors. With a tight storyline, superb animation and great character development (impressive in itself for a film about toys), TS2 helped cement Pixar's reputation as a studio Walt Disney himself would have been proud of. -BZ
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