i know and i respect thatkenai3000 wrote: MTR Was definately better than Home on the Range and Chicken Little But the fact of it being the best DAC Since TLM Is just my opinion but I will say that Disney is starting to make good movies again and in a few years we'll see movies similar to TLM, Aladdin, Lion King, Beauty and the Beast etc..
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Well Meet the Robinsons was number 1 for at least 1 day.
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The UK will probably get a full-fledged 2-Disc Special Edition, but the US will have to make do with a single-disc measly set, labeled "Gold Classic Collection", with static menus, a trivia game, and a pan & scan grainy transfer, not taken from the digital source. (And BTW, it will have full colour character artwork on the discsyamiiguy wrote:Just seen it today and imo it's the best DAC since Lilo & Stitch, can't wait for the DVD *please be 2-Disc*
I don't know what frightens me more: that post, or the avatar with that post.Julian Carter wrote:The UK will probably get a full-fledged 2-Disc Special Edition, but the US will have to make do with a single-disc measly set, labeled "Gold Classic Collection", with static menus, a trivia game, and a pan & scan grainy transfer, not taken from the digital source. (And BTW, it will have full colour character artwork on the discs).
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Lol!Disneykid wrote:I don't know what frightens me more: that post, or the avatar with that post.Julian Carter wrote:The UK will probably get a full-fledged 2-Disc Special Edition, but the US will have to make do with a single-disc measly set, labeled "Gold Classic Collection", with static menus, a trivia game, and a pan & scan grainy transfer, not taken from the digital source. (And BTW, it will have full colour character artwork on the discs).
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Very sad news in Malta (regarding MTR). I wanted to watch this film a second time, along with my family - I was desperately looking forward to it. We went to watch it today, only to find out that Meet the Robinsons has been removed from all Maltese theatres, after just 12 days. I was furious, furious, furious...
"Why?" you ask ... I have a feeling that it's because of the poor business. MTR opened to the no. 5 spot on March 30th here in Malta. Last week it didn't even make the top 10. I assume that's why KRS Film Distributors pulled the plug on it.
Still, it's not fair. It's so not fair! I'm so mad! Somebody's going to pay for this ... even if it's going to be the projectionist screening Norbit, which has been in Malta for at least a month now...
We never even got a 2-Disc for Brother Bear...Julian Carter wrote:)The UK will probably get a full-fledged 2-Disc Special Edition, but the US will have to make do with a single-disc measly set, labeled "Gold Classic Collection", with static menus, a trivia game, and a pan & scan grainy transfer, not taken from the digital source. (And BTW, it will have full colour character artwork on the discsyamiiguy wrote:Just seen it today and imo it's the best DAC since Lilo & Stitch, can't wait for the DVD *please be 2-Disc*
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Well I have seen Meet the Robinsons, so I guess now's the time for the critique. But please be aware I never usually like to make my final judgement on a film after only one viewing.
So, let's split it up. Warnig *spoilers*
Story
Well the overall story of the movie is gold, orphan boy who is gifted at inventing gets yanked into future to find a family that accepts him, isa a very strong innovative story. The characters are all introduced well and aside from the middle section the film had a good natural flow to things. One issue I do have is that it all seemed to happen slightly quickly, it had some of the similar flaws that the Lion King's story has in my opinion, i.e. Event, event, event, wallop, end. I was very much wanting to shout "stop" and just have a few minutes of going over something in a bit more depth. I feel if Lewis had remained at the Robinsons for a night before his identity was revealed there could have been some scene set at nightime perhaps some sort of intimate discussion between Lewis and Wilbur to give a pause to the action and also to cement their relationship, which in turn would have made the realisation they couldn't be friends all the more heartbreaking and would also strengthen Wilbur's statement at the end of the film that he was his best friend. There's something just not plausible about 2 kids being best friends and the family wanting to adpot Lewis within the space of a few hours. The plot twists would were guessable (but not helped by the fact that the retards at BVHE placed a spoiler in the movie's trailer so that slightly ruined it for me. However there are a couple of other surprises which I wasn't sure what to think i.e. The Bowler hat guy and Krunklehorn. There is a lot of action, comedy, drama and the climax is fitting. However I have to admit I was left with a feeling of being unfulfilled, again perhaps the climax was a bit rushed and I get the feeling a lot of what was going on went over the heads of most of the kids in the audience.
Characters
Well the main characters were excellently flawed out. Lewis' strife and inner turmoil was an ovbious one, but the film is stolen by The Bowler hat guy, who was not the character I was ecxpecting at all. The trailers did do a good job of throwing you off the scent of where the real villainy comes from and also adds to the whole Goob revelation. I also really warmed to Wilbur. I wasn't expecting much from his character but his wise-ass, cool-kid persona worked really well. You could tell he was trying to play the cool-guy and his bizarre-ness at times was brilliant, almost a Spin Evans type of character is what he reminded me of.
As for the rest of the characters, I feel a bit more of time spent between Bud and Lucille would have helped things, again maybe if he'd spent a night... I feel for the part they are revealed to play, more time in fleshing them out was needed. The rest of the family were pretty much background characters, which is understandable given time that they couldn't all be explored. Although I have to say Talulah male voice was REALLY distracting, why?
Animation
Well definitely a step up from Chicken Little. I have to say The Bowler hat guy is without a doubt the best CGI character I have ever seen period. The fluidity are squash and stretch in his character literally amazed me. Unfortunately I don't think I say 100% say all the characters were as fluid as Pixar. Now as I've said a million times I don't believe humans work in CGI at all, mostly because we've only ever seen humans from dreamworks ( who do crap humans) and Pixar ( who always have a squareness to them, which doesn't appeal to me). Now Meet the Robinsons is the first CGI film I've seen where I could accept the humans. Now this will sound like a bit of an odd statement but I think Disney's humans are better than Pixar's, yet similarly Disney's humans aren't as good as Pixar's!
Confusing, what I mean is that Disney's humans have a greater likeability in my opinion, althought they lack polish and detail which was needed. Yet even though in my head I was thinking "These humans are better than Pixar's" at the same time I was thinking "It's a shame Disney's humans aren't as good as Pixar's". My head is so confused!
I can't describe it.
I think with CGI humans, in my opinion the more abstract, the better. Designs like Bowler hat guy, Goob, Bud worlk because they are not trying to look like real humans, whereas some characters like the woman at the orphanage don't work because they try to make her look to real.
The CGI backgrounds were stunning, the colorful, playfulness of the city was lovely. The detail within the overrun city near the end of the movie was breathtaking. Whilst not on the same level as Pixar's overwhelming backgrounds like in Cars, MTR certainly seems to have a hold on good CGI backgrounds.
Overall for all it's good points I couldn't help but have that feeling in the pit of my stomach which said to me "Is that it?". Depsite almost being brought to tears by the movie's end, it was still missing a final "OOMPH" i feel. However like I say, it's very rare my first viewing informs my final decision, so all the above could change.
In terms of animation (difficult as Disney only has one movie, so I'll compare to other studios), it was certainly a bit step up over Chicken Little, and better than the Dreamworks by a mile in terms of human animation, but probably not as good as Dreamworks in terms of backgrounds. In comparison to Pixar like I've already mention In terms of the design of humans I prefer them much more than Pixar's but in terms of overally animation I'd say MTR was better than the animation in The Incredibles/Monsters Inc, but still a fair bit behind Cars/Finding Nemo?From what I've seen of Ratatouille.
In terms of story and plot development (comparing only to the last decade, again difficult due to genre), I'd say Meet the Robinsons was better than Lilo and Stitch, Chicken Little, The Emperor's New Groove, but probaly equal to Brother Bear, Atlantis and Home on the Range, but not as good as Treasure Planet.
In terms of characterisation and character development/introduction, I'd say it was better than Brother Bear, Atlantis, Home on the Range, Chicken Little probably equal to Lilo and Stitch and The Emperor's New Groove, but again probably not as good as Treasure Planet.
So, let's split it up. Warnig *spoilers*
Story
Well the overall story of the movie is gold, orphan boy who is gifted at inventing gets yanked into future to find a family that accepts him, isa a very strong innovative story. The characters are all introduced well and aside from the middle section the film had a good natural flow to things. One issue I do have is that it all seemed to happen slightly quickly, it had some of the similar flaws that the Lion King's story has in my opinion, i.e. Event, event, event, wallop, end. I was very much wanting to shout "stop" and just have a few minutes of going over something in a bit more depth. I feel if Lewis had remained at the Robinsons for a night before his identity was revealed there could have been some scene set at nightime perhaps some sort of intimate discussion between Lewis and Wilbur to give a pause to the action and also to cement their relationship, which in turn would have made the realisation they couldn't be friends all the more heartbreaking and would also strengthen Wilbur's statement at the end of the film that he was his best friend. There's something just not plausible about 2 kids being best friends and the family wanting to adpot Lewis within the space of a few hours. The plot twists would were guessable (but not helped by the fact that the retards at BVHE placed a spoiler in the movie's trailer so that slightly ruined it for me. However there are a couple of other surprises which I wasn't sure what to think i.e. The Bowler hat guy and Krunklehorn. There is a lot of action, comedy, drama and the climax is fitting. However I have to admit I was left with a feeling of being unfulfilled, again perhaps the climax was a bit rushed and I get the feeling a lot of what was going on went over the heads of most of the kids in the audience.
Characters
Well the main characters were excellently flawed out. Lewis' strife and inner turmoil was an ovbious one, but the film is stolen by The Bowler hat guy, who was not the character I was ecxpecting at all. The trailers did do a good job of throwing you off the scent of where the real villainy comes from and also adds to the whole Goob revelation. I also really warmed to Wilbur. I wasn't expecting much from his character but his wise-ass, cool-kid persona worked really well. You could tell he was trying to play the cool-guy and his bizarre-ness at times was brilliant, almost a Spin Evans type of character is what he reminded me of.
As for the rest of the characters, I feel a bit more of time spent between Bud and Lucille would have helped things, again maybe if he'd spent a night... I feel for the part they are revealed to play, more time in fleshing them out was needed. The rest of the family were pretty much background characters, which is understandable given time that they couldn't all be explored. Although I have to say Talulah male voice was REALLY distracting, why?
Animation
Well definitely a step up from Chicken Little. I have to say The Bowler hat guy is without a doubt the best CGI character I have ever seen period. The fluidity are squash and stretch in his character literally amazed me. Unfortunately I don't think I say 100% say all the characters were as fluid as Pixar. Now as I've said a million times I don't believe humans work in CGI at all, mostly because we've only ever seen humans from dreamworks ( who do crap humans) and Pixar ( who always have a squareness to them, which doesn't appeal to me). Now Meet the Robinsons is the first CGI film I've seen where I could accept the humans. Now this will sound like a bit of an odd statement but I think Disney's humans are better than Pixar's, yet similarly Disney's humans aren't as good as Pixar's!
I think with CGI humans, in my opinion the more abstract, the better. Designs like Bowler hat guy, Goob, Bud worlk because they are not trying to look like real humans, whereas some characters like the woman at the orphanage don't work because they try to make her look to real.
The CGI backgrounds were stunning, the colorful, playfulness of the city was lovely. The detail within the overrun city near the end of the movie was breathtaking. Whilst not on the same level as Pixar's overwhelming backgrounds like in Cars, MTR certainly seems to have a hold on good CGI backgrounds.
Overall for all it's good points I couldn't help but have that feeling in the pit of my stomach which said to me "Is that it?". Depsite almost being brought to tears by the movie's end, it was still missing a final "OOMPH" i feel. However like I say, it's very rare my first viewing informs my final decision, so all the above could change.
In terms of animation (difficult as Disney only has one movie, so I'll compare to other studios), it was certainly a bit step up over Chicken Little, and better than the Dreamworks by a mile in terms of human animation, but probably not as good as Dreamworks in terms of backgrounds. In comparison to Pixar like I've already mention In terms of the design of humans I prefer them much more than Pixar's but in terms of overally animation I'd say MTR was better than the animation in The Incredibles/Monsters Inc, but still a fair bit behind Cars/Finding Nemo?From what I've seen of Ratatouille.
In terms of story and plot development (comparing only to the last decade, again difficult due to genre), I'd say Meet the Robinsons was better than Lilo and Stitch, Chicken Little, The Emperor's New Groove, but probaly equal to Brother Bear, Atlantis and Home on the Range, but not as good as Treasure Planet.
In terms of characterisation and character development/introduction, I'd say it was better than Brother Bear, Atlantis, Home on the Range, Chicken Little probably equal to Lilo and Stitch and The Emperor's New Groove, but again probably not as good as Treasure Planet.
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I do have to agree with that...as much as I love the movie, Mildred for some reason always looks really awkward to me.ichabod wrote:whereas some characters like the woman at the orphanage don't work because they try to make her look to real.
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It's the shape of her head and how big her eyes are. Her head is to long, which could be partially due to her hair style, and her eyes are to big and slanted a little to make it look bizaar. She was my least favorite character design in the film.
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Well like I say, I rarely like to make a final judgement after one viewing, which is why I am reluctant to go either way and say I loved/hated it, as my opinions about some Disney movies have *radically* changed upon a second viewing. But since I'm being pressed...Timon/Pumbaa fan in another thread wrote:So ichabod, if you don't mind me asking, but in a couple sentences, what did you think of MTR? I think you enjoyed it, but reading this and you post in the official thread, you seemed a little disappointed in it. I know you had huge expectations, so was that it?
I did enjoy it, but yes I did leave the theater with a slight feeling of disappointment, mainly because I could see that Disney did do a good job, but I feel the film could have been more. I did have high expectations of MTR and to a certain degree those expectations were met. The CGI animation has undoubtedly improved and the character development and plot were a step up from Chicken Little. However despite good animation, characters, story etc it seemed to be missing an overall "Wow" factor.
It's difficult to describe, even though I felt Chicken Little had weak areas of story, plot and characterisation, some areas of questionable quality in it's animtaion and It seemed to me to have that "Wow" factor, that left me with a sense of being fulfilled, despite it's obvious shortcomings. With MTR despite its strengths and despite the fact I could see that it was a great improvement over Chicken Little, I couldn't help but being left unfulfilled and hollow.
Still like I say, I've only seen the movie once and am planning to see it again it theaters, so I'm not saying these will be my final opinions of the film. I'm just trying to decide whether to make the 120 mile round trip to see it in 3-D.
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I've always wanted to know what exactly is subpar in Chicken Little's animation. When I watched it in theatres in February 2006, I thought that it was visually unlike any other CG movie I had seen. I liked its exotic colour palette and "squash and stretch" lush CG animation.ichabod wrote:I felt Chicken Little had weak areas of story, plot and characterisation, some areas of questionable quality in it's animation.
Seeing it on DVD, a couple of weeks ago ... I was a trifle disappointed. My major gripe is the detail of the character models. At times, they looked more like the product of cheap CGI, the type you see in the Barbie films, with their edges appearing hard and almost achieving the effect of being super-imposed on the background. And, I also disliked the character movement at some points aswell. It seemed jerky. Was this an intentional effect?
Are the things I noticed justified, or do people refer to other aspects of the animation when that say that CL is subpar in that regard? Anyhow, CL only had a budget of $60 million, I believe - which when compared to the budget of other animated films (Pixar), seems rather low. Maybe its slightly subpar visuals were due to that.
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I think what you've outlined are the main flaws with Chicken Little's animation. The edges and detail on some of the models, making them look at times like they don't fit right in their environment being on issue.
Also there is a certain stiffness to some of the movement, particularly with background characters, such as when they are fleeing during the film's climax or near the beginning. As you say it is jerky and doesn't flow too well.
Budget could certainly be a factor, although I couldn't say for sure.
Also there is a certain stiffness to some of the movement, particularly with background characters, such as when they are fleeing during the film's climax or near the beginning. As you say it is jerky and doesn't flow too well.
Budget could certainly be a factor, although I couldn't say for sure.
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i went to see Meet the Robinson's in digital 3D and maaaaaaan, kids have it so good these days. all i had growing up in terms of 3D was Captain Neo at disneyland, and lets put it this way, that is a far cry from todays' 3d experience. i was sitting between two adults (packed theater) and when the 3D started all you heard was a bunch of "wooooows" from the older set in the crowd.
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I'm sorry to go a little bit off topic, but I went to a mall in Milwaukee with my mom today and I went in the Disney Store. I forget who on here was asking, but they had a BOWLER HAT GUY ACTION FIGURE, as well as action figures of Louis, Wilbur, and Carl the robot. They also had a giant Tiny plush, beanies of Louis, Wilbur, and Carl, T-shirts (childrens sizes only), and perhaps the coolest toy from the film, a remote control Doris. My brother wanted it, but mom said no. All of the other merchendise was pretty lame (and why do the antenna toppers look nothing like the characters?).
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goofystitch is there a picture of the BHG action figure????????? arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
anyway i watched the incredibles again to see how much this film compares to MTR in terms of stylization and character animation
1)incredibles have more intricate character modelling but less refined expression.bowler hat guy is the best hands down.
2)incredibles have more detailed/complex modelling of its backgrounds.whereas MTR have simpler shapes and less focus on the surroundings but NOT as lazy and cheap as chicken little's 3d amateur models.
3)the incredibles have plentiful environment while MTR focuses mainly on similar settings very much like a theatrical stage e.g the rooftop, the doorstep, the green outdoor, the house, the bedroom.
all in all, it depends on how u look at it..MTR could be a poor man's version of the incredibles or...another story set in a very similar world very much like the one we used to live in.
and incredibles is one of my fav pixar film but i love MTR more.
im so sad the screening is ending soon in malaysia.but i will try to catch it 4 more times to make it 10! then it will earn the rank of excellent disney movie ..for me
hmm maybe i should change my username to bowler hat guy..
anyway i watched the incredibles again to see how much this film compares to MTR in terms of stylization and character animation
1)incredibles have more intricate character modelling but less refined expression.bowler hat guy is the best hands down.
2)incredibles have more detailed/complex modelling of its backgrounds.whereas MTR have simpler shapes and less focus on the surroundings but NOT as lazy and cheap as chicken little's 3d amateur models.
3)the incredibles have plentiful environment while MTR focuses mainly on similar settings very much like a theatrical stage e.g the rooftop, the doorstep, the green outdoor, the house, the bedroom.
all in all, it depends on how u look at it..MTR could be a poor man's version of the incredibles or...another story set in a very similar world very much like the one we used to live in.
and incredibles is one of my fav pixar film but i love MTR more.
hmm maybe i should change my username to bowler hat guy..
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Well there's this > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MEET-THE-ROBINSON ... dZViewItemakhenaten wrote:goofystitch is there a picture of the BHG action figure????????? arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh![]()
and this > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Die-Robinsons-Bow ... dZViewItem
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I have to say, after having seen this movie today at the 9:30 showing in Digital 3-D... wow.
First off, this was the first Disney Digital 3-D movie I'd ever seen; and holy crap is it an improvement over the conventional systems of 3-D projection. Particularly the "intro" with the robot... when his head came off the screen and was right in front of me, it could've almost been a freaking holographic projection. No annoying ghost images, no colour distortion. Absolutely incredible... kids have it pretty good these days, lol. Though fortunately I'm not that old myself yet.
The movie itself; well, I can only say this is (not counting Fantasia 2000, which is more of a traditional theatre/orchestra experience and can't really be compared to films with a plot) the first Disney Animated Classic I've really loved since seeing The Lion King in theatres. A few in between were modestly enjoyable, of course (eg. Tarzan, Lilo & Stitch), but MtR made me think (and hope) that Disney's gotten back into some kind of groove. Despite the drastically different settings and perpetual jumping around in time, it never got annoying or distracting (even for the younger kids, from what I saw in the audience), which time travel-centric plots can sometimes do.
The characters, despite being somewhat numerous, each managed to do their part and exhibit their amusing personalities without making the film feel cluttered. Both villains were hilarious (though not in a way that made them seem like harmless foes), and DOR-15 added the sinister intent while Goob was more sympathetic, and for the most part, likeable. DOR-15 did have an R2-D2 kind of thing going on, though, and managed to convey a lot of personality (little of it endearing, though) through clicks, beeps and flashing lights.
The animation, IMO, was quite well-done. Maybe not the best ever seen on screen, but I think the style fit quite well with the type of story being told... particularly for the world of the future. Using different colour palettes for the three different time periods visisted was a nice touch, as well. If only we had much hope for a future that clean and bright in the real world... at least not in so short a time-frame as suggested by this movie.
And the voice acting was rather impressive as well, for the most part. A few of the cast I recognized by voice from other things I've watched, and several more I recognized after watching the credits roll. Adam West is, of course, probably the most easily-identifiable voice-actor in the industry... both for his unique way of speaking and the hilarious self-delusionally oblivious nature of the characters he most often portrays.
And finally the story, in addition to being extraordinarily entertaining and fun, managed to be quite touching as well. It managed to do what few cartoons (or, indeed, any kind of film or television) these days have, and really got me to empathize and get invested in the characters (except the Chapeau du diable).
Anyway, those are my thoughts on the movie. I sincerely hope this is the mark of a new period of quality-films from Disney... it's been too long coming already.
First off, this was the first Disney Digital 3-D movie I'd ever seen; and holy crap is it an improvement over the conventional systems of 3-D projection. Particularly the "intro" with the robot... when his head came off the screen and was right in front of me, it could've almost been a freaking holographic projection. No annoying ghost images, no colour distortion. Absolutely incredible... kids have it pretty good these days, lol. Though fortunately I'm not that old myself yet.
The movie itself; well, I can only say this is (not counting Fantasia 2000, which is more of a traditional theatre/orchestra experience and can't really be compared to films with a plot) the first Disney Animated Classic I've really loved since seeing The Lion King in theatres. A few in between were modestly enjoyable, of course (eg. Tarzan, Lilo & Stitch), but MtR made me think (and hope) that Disney's gotten back into some kind of groove. Despite the drastically different settings and perpetual jumping around in time, it never got annoying or distracting (even for the younger kids, from what I saw in the audience), which time travel-centric plots can sometimes do.
The characters, despite being somewhat numerous, each managed to do their part and exhibit their amusing personalities without making the film feel cluttered. Both villains were hilarious (though not in a way that made them seem like harmless foes), and DOR-15 added the sinister intent while Goob was more sympathetic, and for the most part, likeable. DOR-15 did have an R2-D2 kind of thing going on, though, and managed to convey a lot of personality (little of it endearing, though) through clicks, beeps and flashing lights.
The animation, IMO, was quite well-done. Maybe not the best ever seen on screen, but I think the style fit quite well with the type of story being told... particularly for the world of the future. Using different colour palettes for the three different time periods visisted was a nice touch, as well. If only we had much hope for a future that clean and bright in the real world... at least not in so short a time-frame as suggested by this movie.
And the voice acting was rather impressive as well, for the most part. A few of the cast I recognized by voice from other things I've watched, and several more I recognized after watching the credits roll. Adam West is, of course, probably the most easily-identifiable voice-actor in the industry... both for his unique way of speaking and the hilarious self-delusionally oblivious nature of the characters he most often portrays.
And finally the story, in addition to being extraordinarily entertaining and fun, managed to be quite touching as well. It managed to do what few cartoons (or, indeed, any kind of film or television) these days have, and really got me to empathize and get invested in the characters (except the Chapeau du diable).
Anyway, those are my thoughts on the movie. I sincerely hope this is the mark of a new period of quality-films from Disney... it's been too long coming already.

