The Lion King (Live-Action)

[Disney's Divinity]

And people thinking Gaston as gay in any sense, give me a break. His trope is to take every masculine trait and amplify it to the point of absurdity. He's toxic masculinity personified, that's why Belle is so turned off by him. Any other take on him is bad fan fiction.

An OTT masculine, hostile character being a repressed homosexual is a cliché old as time, and considering your posts seem to be for regressive and demeaning clichés, seems pretty arbitrary to draw a line there.

[Farerb]

Well he thought she was "gorgeous" and he "fell" for her. So I see that as the closest thing to sexual attraction that a Disney film would allow.

No it's not. Frollo literally sexually assualts Esmeralda.

[Farerb]

I am sorry to say Kyle is racist or homophobic, but I am not clear on what he is saying. Villains should not have darker skin or male villains have feminine features just to make them more villainous. That is wrong. I'm not saying more dramatic or theatrical features is wrong, but purposely putting more feminine or gay features in to make a male villainous is wrong. I guess darker fur is arguable...

Its about design tropes. They work, they will continue to work. They get the point across quickly. They are especially popular in video games. Sonic and shadow, pit and dark pit, samus and dark samus. In the world of art/entertainment, Dark=evil. They can of course be broken and be effective (white storm troopers inside a white walled spaceship dispite being the bad guys) but the tropes are the default, pc police be damned.

As for the feminine thing, really a villain can be masculine or feminine, but what I think you guys are seeing as feminine is really just weakness. Characters like scar appear weak/underfed. It sorta gives them a reason to lust for power. In jafars case, he flips to the opposite direction near the end when he becomes this super muscly character. Scar swiming at the shallow end of the gene pool gives him a sense of jealousy of his macho brother.

And people thinking Gaston as gay in any sense, give me a break. His trope is to take every masculine trait and amplify it to the point of absurdity. He's toxic masculinity personified, that's why Belle is so turned off by him. Any other take on him is bad fan fiction.

Cause gay guys can't possibly be masculine...(sarcasm)

[Sotiris]

An OTT masculine, hostile character being a repressed homosexual is a cliché old as time.

But it's a negative cliché devised and perpetuated by society in order to further vilify gay people and blame them for their own oppression. I don't understand why anyone would be eager to claim Gaston as gay, a character that embodies everything wrong with straight men and is no doubt the type of person who would be violently homophobic. Reading Gaston as a repressed gay man is regressive.

[Farerb]

An OTT masculine, hostile character being a repressed homosexual is a cliché old as time.

But it's a negative cliché devised and perpetuated by society in order to further vilify gay people and blame them for their own oppression. I don't understand why anyone would be eager to claim Gaston as gay, a character that embodies everything wrong with straight men and is no doubt the type of person who would be violently homophobic. Reading Gaston as a repressed gay man is regressive.

Considering the film was made in the early 90's, where films were filled with stereotypes - Disney films included. Beauty and the Beast is my favorite film, that doesn't mean it doesn't have problematic elements. In addition, like I said above claiming that gay guys can't be masculine is regressive, I'm not even talking about "repressed gay". Masculinity or femininity are not traits reserved for straight people.

[Farerb]

Seriously, people here basically said that Jafar and Scar are gay because they are feminine and Gaston can't possibly be gay because he is masculine. I wish I hadn't participated in this discussion.

[Kyle]

Cause gay guys can't possibly be masculine...(sarcasm)

Its the only real visual indication we're gonna get considering they're not going to have them get a raging boner everytime a guy is around. If we're gonna live in that grey area of yours why not go around accusing characters of being secret pansexual trans while we're at it? If they wanted to tell that story, they would have, and it would have been clear. Unless JK rowling is now the writer.

[Farerb]

Well, they didn't have a problem visualize this
https://youtu.be/NXsY_Ka04EU

[Kyle]

That was a more mature story in the first place, of a straight male struggling with his inner demons. Gaston was more of a b plot filler character. He existed to repulse belle, that's about it. They told his story the most efficient way possible.

[Farerb]

That was a more mature story in the first place, of a straight male struggling with his inner demons. Gaston was more of a b plot filler character. He existed to repulse belle, that's about it. They told his story the most efficient way possible.

No. Gaston is also there to parallel what the beast could have become had he decided not to change, to emphasize that no one deserves a woman's attention and see how one excepts that while the ither doesn't and also like The Hunchback of Notre Dame to explore the question of "what makes a monster and what makes a man?". Gaston is thematically important and isn't there just as "plot filler".

[unprincess]

well now that we're on the subject can someone tell me why Shang is considered a bisexual icon? I...don't see it? I also never picked up on Gaston being gay until I read about it when I started going online in the early 2000s(other than him being a popular gay fanart subject, just like Hercules and many other male Disney characters, but that's not the same as the actual character being gay in the film). Like others I always assumed he was just an exaggeration of toxic masculinity.
I guess I dont pick up on this stuff b/c I'm asexual? I dunno, lol.

[Sotiris]

Well now that we're on the subject can someone tell me why Shang is considered a bisexual icon?

Because people are so desperate for LGBT representation in animated Disney films they see things that aren't there. Remember when they tried to convince us that the sauna mom in Frozen was a dude or that the two random women in Finding Dory were a couple? It was sad and embarrassing.

They claim Shang is bi because he's shown to be friendly towards Mulan as Ping after the "I'll Make a Man Out of You" sequence. So they read interactions like this one or this one as being romantic in nature.

[JeanGreyForever]

That's partially why there was so much uproar about Shang not being included in the live-action film because people thought Disney was trying to erase a bisexual character.

[Disney's Divinity]

But it's a negative cliché devised and perpetuated by society in order to further vilify gay people and blame them for their own oppression. I don't understand why anyone would be eager to claim Gaston as gay, a character that embodies everything wrong with straight men and is no doubt the type of person who would be violently homophobic. Reading Gaston as a repressed gay man is regressive.

That's why Disney is criticized for coding many of their villains this way, whether or not it was done unconsciously. It's similar to the treatment of female characters: I honestly doubt most writers deliberately create weak, passive female characters. The fact that it wasn't done purposely doesn't protect them from criticism.

[Disney Duster]

Look, Frollo's treatment of Esmeralda is extreme and not what Gaston needed to do to show he was sexually attracted to Belle and straight. But I will say this, Howard Ashman said he knew "what team" Gaston played on. But I always thought that was a joke.

[thedisneyspirit]

it's still unexcusable to make all your characters have the coloring of corpses.

This is why you're being laughed at, Disney, outside of your sycophantic bubble.

[Farerb]

Here is an article (I'm sure there are more but Remake!Le Fou gets all the attention when you try to google anything on the matter):
https://www.queerty.com/beauty-beasts-g ... e-20170302

Also notice how in the original, Le Fou was the one who was gazing at the bimbetts while Gaston didn't - but I'm sure that's because he saves himself for his one true love Belle. Gaston is an asshole, but at least he respects other women...who are not Belle.

Anyway, Gaston might or might not be gay, obviously it is never stated explicitly in the film, but I don't think there's one interpretation, Beauty and the Beast is one of Disney's most complex and layered films so who knows...

[unprincess]

Well now that we're on the subject can someone tell me why Shang is considered a bisexual icon?

Because people are so desperate for LGBT representation in animated Disney films they see things that aren't there. Remember when they tried to convince us that the sauna mom in Frozen was a dude or that the two random women in Finding Dory were a couple? It was sad and embarrassing.

They claim Shang is bi because he's shown to be friendly towards Mulan as Ping after the "I'll Make a Man Out of You" sequence. So they read interactions like this one or this one as being romantic in nature.

ah ok, and yes like JeanGreyForever stated I first heard of him being considered bisexual while reading about how many bisexuals were upset that he was removed from the live action film.

[Disney Duster]

Thanks for the article farerb. It sounds like Gaston is based on a gay joke but is not actually gay? As the gay joke is he's dumb and pretty, but it has nothing to do with him being gay or not? Also, he didn't think the silly girls were worthy of his attention. He was a sexist jerk, but a jerk with standards. Yes, the silly girls were actually really beautiful, but the movie was trying to say he only had eyes for the most beautiful. I respect that you can have a different view, I'm just saying if you want to talk about what you brought up, that is what I'm pretty sure is the case.

[Sotiris]

Using animation and technology to create photo-realistic animals in “The Jungle Book” gave Favreau the confidence to take on the 1994 musical classic about young lion prince Simba (Glover) reclaiming his rightful place as ruler of Pride Rock. The humor’s been updated and the iconic moments are still there, although it’s not a shot-for-shot remake, Favreau promises. “The original holds up incredibly well, so the challenge here was to tell a story in a different way but still deliver on people's expectations while surprising them somehow.”

Source: https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/mov ... 477203002/