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And you’re right about Lilo & Stitch. Disney didn’t take its success into consideration when they decided to drop hand-drawn animation. But I think it wasn't only Treasure Planet's failure that made them take that decision, though it was key to it. Previous traditional animated films like Fantasia 2000 or Atlantis had underperformed at the box office and that may have contributed too. And they still made Brother Bear and Home on the Range after it. I know that those films were already in development when Treasure Planet was released, but if they had been successful, maybe Disney would’ve continued making 2D films.
You are right, both Fantasia 2000 and Atlantis, as well as The Emperor's New Groove all under performed before Lilo & Stitch was even advertised. Based on what I've read and heard over the years, I think the writing was on the wall about hand-drawn animation at Disney before Brother Bear. It seems to me that film and Home on the Range only got released because they were both too far into production. However, I could be wrong.

How does this relate to PIXAR? Pay attention to the films slated AFTER Incredibles 2. Hopefully Coco is both a well made film AND does well at the box office. Of course one does not always find itself connected to the other.
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milojthatch wrote:Based on what I've read and heard over the years, I think the writing was on the wall about hand-drawn animation at Disney before Brother Bear. It seems to me that film and Home on the Range only got released because they were both too far into production. However, I could be wrong.
Thanks for the information. It's very likely that was the case. I haven't read much about that period of Disney history, so I didn't know that.

This is off-topic and I'm sure I'm not the first to say this to you, but I love the Walt Disney quote you have chosen as your signature. Good quote and very true.
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D82 wrote:
milojthatch wrote:Based on what I've read and heard over the years, I think the writing was on the wall about hand-drawn animation at Disney before Brother Bear. It seems to me that film and Home on the Range only got released because they were both too far into production. However, I could be wrong.
Thanks for the information. It's very likely that was the case. I haven't read much about that period of Disney history, so I didn't know that.

This is off-topic and I'm sure I'm not the first to say this to you, but I love the Walt Disney quote you have chosen as your signature. Good quote and very true.
Thanks. The quote in question has been a source of strength for me sometimes. I always knew that for a DISNEY forum, I wanted my signature to include a quote from Walt himself. When I first came across the one I used, I just knew it was the best one to use!

Anyway, back to talking about The Good Dinosaur!
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Ill say it again, dont ever release an animated dinosaur film the same year a Jurassic Park movie opens, "coughwerebackcough."
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disneyprincess11 wrote:I really think this is because of Inside Out. People are either confused or they just don't want to see another Pixar movie. My family was excited about seeing Inside Out. But for this, they are showing no enthusiasm, what so ever
I know that some people don't like dinosaurs depicted as living with humans...my dad says that he's opposed to that... But then I told him that the premise of the film is "What if...", and he didn't dislike it as much, but he still doesn't want to see it. :? :cry:
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it opened in new zealand today, and i went with my niece and nephews. they had the choice of this or peanuts and all voted for this. might treat them to peanuts next week, so long as they behave.
we hit the first screening, and thanks to new years last night, not many others were about. its biggest competition over here will be star wars i think.

i enjoyed it, but admit i was a bit surprised at the scenes mentioned by others. with the fruit, my "kids" thought it was hilarious. my understanding is that rotting fruit, be it apples, apricots etc begins to ferment, making the consumers "drunk". had they eaten the fruit from the tree and not the ground, all would have been normal.
a chimpanzee that was taught sign language used to get "drunk" on fruit found on the ground when out for a walk with her owners
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all in all, i thought it was beautifully put together, and i was able to forgive arlo's design considering he was the runt, and the rest of his family all had normal looking bodies and legs. however, the big t-rex's gallop i thought was highly amusing. almost like he was skipping.

i didnt see any easter eggs either, but like always i actually forgot until after. nevermind, plan on going again when the christmas holidays are finished.
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Is there anything in The Art of The Good Dinosaur Book, or any other The Good Dinosaur related book for that matter that would have detailed anything related to Bob Peterson's original version? And if so, could anyone please share that information here?

I have been collecting any info that I can find concerning this original version and have already collected quite a few pieces of concept art and other information revealed through toys. I also have some info from the Art of Book, which also depicts a young yellow parasaurolophus alongside the other dinosaurs revealed in the article. I name her Lucy because she has no official name, and it seems to fit the same kind of names that the other three (four counting Vivian, another young ankylosaurus that you can get as a toy that comes with a little critter, look her up) cut dinsoaurs. I'd be happy to share any info with anyone who is interested [smile] I can even email to you across OneDrive/Google Drive if anyone wishes to see it all.
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^ I have the Art Of book on my Amazon wishlist, but have yet to purchase it, but I'm definitely interested in seeing what you have!!
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DVD/Blu-ray/Blu-ray 3D confirmed for 2/23!:
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=18338
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From the Hollywood Reporter:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/g ... rst-857317

Pixar now has it's Treasure Planet/Rise of the Guardians, "TP had a $74 million write-off while RotG had a $87 million write-off. It just sucks that when this happened to 2D features, it was the art form that took the blame. When this happens to a CGI feature they just look the other way & move on to the next one :facepalm:
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I know it's mean of me, but this is like a Christmas gift that's come a month late. :lol:
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Well, it was bound to happen. It took twenty years for Pixar to do so, but it finally happened. This means that even not Pixar is unfailable at the Box Office, despite their reputation being decreased after 2011. I know that I've ranted priorly about how narrow-minded and condescending Pixar fanboys can be and how they label Pixar as unfailable and perfect. They're definitively allowed to harbor Pixar, but this is virtually a proof that Pixar are not as foolproof as they want it to be.

I think The Good Dinosaur did inferior due to it's appeal. It simply wasn't that appealing or invigorating as Pixar's former work. At least Inside Out was somewhat invigorating and was something that Pixar is known for, while Dinosaur (despite having some components turned on it's head) was trite and hackneyed. Also due to it's release and that we already had another dinosaur movie formerly this year.

So does this mean that this doesn't qualify as a Pixar comeback? I know the havoc would be bigger with Pixar and not Disney, due to Pixar's overall larger fanbase. Remember that Disney's reputation was failing in the early 2000's anyway.
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Cars 2 is the financially most successful Pixar movie, even if it did not make that much money at the theatres, so this movie could still make some money outside the theatres.

I agree; sooner or later even Pixar would release a movie that didn't do particularly good at the theatres. But I just wish it happened to a movie that was actually bad. There are other Pixar movies, in my opinion, that made more money but was not as good as this one.

A little nitpicking. Not just about this movie, but about present day animated movies in general. I wish they would stop using actual voices of children. Everybody we meet in this movie is practically a family, with at least one parent, sons and daughters. Anna Paquin may not be a child, but it still is weird to hear her voice coming from a huge T-rex.
(When the T-rex family was running, I had a vision of someone following then, banging a pair of coconut shells together.) They could use some of the sound equipment to make their voice more fitting to giant carnivores.

Simpsons, South Park, old Disney cartoons (Huey, Dewey and Louie, or Peg-Leg Pete's son in "Bellboy Donald"), old Warner Brothers cartoons and others, in general don't use actual children to give voice to their child characters. Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck, Donald, Mickey, Goofy and so many others, had a distinctive voice you never hear in real life. Make the characters sound like something special, not like a bunch of actual children.

And I wouldn't mind if we saw some other farm dinosaurs. To be honest, their farm looked a little depressing because it was so damn isolated. No others of their kind around. No neighbors, relatives or friends. Just a pair of parents and their three children. If I had grown up seeing nobody else but my parents and two siblings, I would probably go insane. But that has nothing to do with the actual movie.

Also wonder why the new human family had an Asian appearance and white hair.

Why didn't it do better? Was it promoted the right way? A trailer always needs to be able to sell a movie, but without giving too much away or promising something it can't hold.
Who are the main audience? Children will see these movies anyway. So it must be the parents who decided not to follow their children to see the movie. As for teenagers; did they give the movie a chance at all, or did they decide it probably was not for them? I must admit; the trailer was not the best. But I decided to see it because some articles said it was much better than the box office gave the impression of (just like Edge of Tomorrow and other titles). And it was.
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For anyone who has access to the Target Exclusive version of The Good Dinosaur, cit would be really appreciated if you could please tell me what the exclusive features are all about and if they show or talk about any early draft ideas and post the ideas and or possible images or video here?
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What if the asteroid had never hit earth? Well, some dinosaurs were already gone. A list based on what I could find on Wikipedia regarding the surviving tetrapods back then before the disaster struck:

The ichthyosaurs were already gone

Sauropterygia (which plesiosaurs belongs to): Only Xenopsaria (represented by Elasmosauridae and Polycotylidae) remained, with elasmosaurus as one of the last members.

Pterosaurs: Only the huge Azhdarchidae was left (with beaks without teeth)

All the temnospondyls were gone (giant amphibians, which may or may not be the ancestors of present day amphibians)

Crocodyliformes: Ancestors and relatives of crocodiles and alligators. Some were gone before the event, others died out in the event, some survived but went extinct later, while one lineage have survived to present day. Crocodyliformes are the last survivors of a bigger group that once were way more successful than the dinosaurs. Except the linage already mentioned, they all went extinct at the end of Triassic, leaving the world to the dinosaurs.

Mammals: The same as Crocodyliformes. Some disappeared before, during and after the disaster, while the descendants of other survivors are still around.
Amongst those still around today, all the placental mammals and the monotremes are said to have evolved from a single ancestor sometime after the extinction event. The marsupial evolved from two (opossums and the rest) or one ancestor surviving the event. The placental mammals got their chance not just because the dinosaurs disappeared, but also because some other competing groups of mammals vanished, leaving the world to them except where marsupials flourished.

Tritylodontids: Disappeared before the event (animals that were almost, but not quite mammals, despite having fur. Also referred to as advanced cynodonts)

Choristodera: Survived, but went extinct 20 million years ago. Some species looks a bit like crocodiles, and some gave birth to live young. Used their snout as a snorkel.

Squamata: Snakes and lizards. Most survived, but the mosasaurs were one of the groups who didn't

Sphenodontia: All the remaining few were already gone, with the exception of the ancestors of the tuatara, which obviously survived

Lissamphibia: Modern amphibians. Survived, but Allocaudata (which looked like scaly salamanders) went extinct about 2.5 million years ago.

Testudines: Haven't found out so much about turtles and tortoises. There were some giants in the past, but as everybody has noticed, they are still here. Sadly some fascinating species are gone forever because of humans.

Dinosaurs:

Ornithischia: The plant eaters. Ankylosauria, Pachycephalosauria, Leptoceratops, Ceratopsidae, Thescelosaurus, Rhabdodontidae and Hadrosauroidea were, before the extinction event, the only survivors of Ornithischia (unless new fossil finds can add some more to the list).

Sauropodomorpha: The long necked dinosaurs. It appears only one group, the Eutitanosauria, was still around at the final days of Cretaceous. But it was a diverse group, and it looks like they were still thriving.

Theropoda (the meat eaters):
Ceratosauria and Tyrannosauroidea, large carnivores with big heads and teeth, and reduced forelimbs. Appears to have been in decline.
Ornithomimidae. Ostrich looking dinosaurs. Those still present had lost their teeth.
Alvarezsaurs, tiny dinosaurs with very reduced forelimbs (only one claw on each arm). Most of their diet probably consisted of insects and such.
Therizinosaur, large therapods turned vegetarians. Three impressive claws on each hand.
Oviraptorosauria, who also had lost their teeth, had a parrot like skull and a slightly reduced tail. Who wouldn't like to see Gigantoraptor?
Dromaeosauridae, birdlike carnivores of various size. Velociraptors are the most famous members.
Troodontidae, more or less like Dromaeosauridae, but probably preferred smaller prey.

Birds: Enantiornithes (the dominating group of birds at that time), Hesperornithes (most or all of them flightless), both groups had teeth, and the toothless ancestors of modern birds existed at that point. After the Cretaceous the modern birds were the only birds left on the planet.

I think that should include all the Cretaceous tetrapods. The tree groups that disappeared completely because of the impact were plesiosaurs, pterosaurs and the dinosaurs (except for the birds). The others were already gone, disappeared later or are still here.
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The commercials for the video release used THIS catchy tune. 8)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcoufDmfW3E
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I saw this earlier this week. I probably would’ve posted thoughts right away, but I didn’t really walk away with much of an impression. I doubt I’ll remember anything about it in a few weeks or have any inclination to see it again. The only thing that comes to mind right now is that I didn’t like Arlo at all, the father’s death had no impact on me, and the only fun thing about the movie was the human pet. The backgrounds were nice to look at. Hmm. Nothing outright irked me, but it felt more inconsequential than even A Bug’s Life.
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Disney's Divinity wrote:I saw this earlier this week. I probably would’ve posted thoughts right away, but I didn’t really walk away with much of an impression. I doubt I’ll remember anything about it in a few weeks or have any inclination to see it again. The only thing that comes to mind right now is that I didn’t like Arlo at all, the father’s death had no impact on me, and the only fun thing about the movie was the human pet. The backgrounds were nice to look at. Hmm. Nothing outright irked me, but it felt more inconsequential than even A Bug’s Life.
Hey, well, I don't think I even posted any thoughts regarding this movie at all, and I saw this opening week. Yeah, it's kinda just... there.
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The animation is great, but otherwise, a complete waste of time and effort.
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