Tangled Discussion - Part V

dollover · Post by **dollover** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 2:03 am

Watched it Sunday and loved it! The modern dialogue didn't bug me as much as I thought it would, though I really wish they could have left out the 'like' in Rapunzel's song and had her say something besides 'freak out' twice. My husband hated it though, pointing out certain 'plot holes' such as:

Worst. Security. Ever - I have to agree with this one....

How was Mother Gothel was able to beat up two huge thugs- I argued that they were so intent on going after Rapunzel that they didn't notice her sneaking up behind them; all she had to do was hit one from behind then hit the other one before he realized what was going on.

How was the tower able to stay hidden all those years when it was so close to the castle- kind of agree with this one too; I think Gothel must have magic of some kind to hide herself and the tower; how was she able to steal the baby without being caught, she was even in her old lady form, they couldn't catch a crotchety old woman holding a crying baby?

And where did she get that tower? Did she build it? Find it?

Anyways those points really didn't bother me either. The songs were mostly fine, I don't think they're necessarily inferior to the songs in the previous classics. I never thought the songs in Aladdin or Lion King were particularly great or memorable, and I don't think I left B&tB with the songs stuck in my head either. I think some people tend to elevate the greatness of songs in previous classics partly from nostalgia, and I think it would be an interesting experiment to have someone who's never heard any Disney songs before rank them all after listening to them for the first time.

The saddest scene for me was that moment between Rapunzel's parents before the lanterns. Moved me much more than the ending did.

I totally want to watch this again. Maybe I'll try the 3d this time.

Victurtle · Post by **Victurtle** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:10 am

I honestly think people who dislike/hate movies based on plot holes are killjoys with no imagination.

There could be many explanations (especially in a fantasy movie) but they chose not to bother and instead state that they are illogical nonsense with no point of watching. I usually think in my head "well then why are you watching a fantasy movie?"

I wondered about those plot points too dollover. I actually thought the stabbington brothers merely pretended to be beaten by Gothel, but they that wouldn't explain why they ended up in jail. However even the biggest, hulkiest, sexiest man have sensitive spots (especially on their heads, where you can't really develop muscles) to which Gothel probably took advantage of.

As for the Tower, well she is hundreds of years old. She would have extensive knowledge of the kingdom and probably found it or inherited it or schemed to obtain it upon stumbling it. It could have been an old watchtower, forgotten over the years. Many things she could have obtain over the many many many years she survived.

Super Aurora · Post by **Super Aurora** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:12 am

phan258 wrote: Don't remember seeing any of those in the artbook.... :/

EDIT:

Where your friend get it? Can I find the Poster in America?

Fairytales · Post by **Fairytales** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 8:13 am

Today when i was out from school i went to the small shopping mall near to my school to buy some gifts for Sinterklaas (it's a holiday, like christmas here.)
But then i saw the Tangled Comic Book! (ofcourse it said ''rapunzel'' and not tangled, but whatever. and EVERYWHERE in that little mall were HUGE posters with ''Rapunzel' on them! it made me feel so happy!!

because tomorrow is the day... i'm going to see TANGLED

bytheway, i bought the comic book and my best friend saw mother Gothel and said: 'Look at that woman, she looks like Michael Jackson!' xD

supertalies · Post by **supertalies** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 9:16 am

That is so cool! Where do you live and where did you buy the comic book? In which store? I want to have it too!

Also, this is the version of 'Something that I want' that is played during the credits of the Dutch dub. It's a duet.

The girl is one of the faces for the Dutch Disney Channel and they guy...I don't know..

Anyway, here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXrjwhETOjQ

phan258 · Post by **phan258** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:04 am

Sorry Super Aurora, but no....I gave her the image and she was able to get it specially printed at her school (since I couldn't go to Staples & the like because the image is copyrighted).

Sotiris · Post by **Sotiris** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:31 am

mokka456 · Post by **mokka456** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:39 am

Fairytales wrote:Today when i was out from school i went to the small shopping mall near to my school to buy some gifts for Sinterklaas (it's a holiday, like christmas here.)
But then i saw the Tangled Comic Book! (ofcourse it said ''rapunzel'' and not tangled, but whatever. and EVERYWHERE in that little mall were HUGE posters with ''Rapunzel' on them! it made me feel so happy!!

because tomorrow is the day... i'm going to see TANGLED :D :D :D
bytheway, i bought the comic book and my best friend saw mother Gothel and said: 'Look at that woman, she looks like Michael Jackson!' xD

WELK WARENHUIS/WINKEL WAS HETl?

DisneyDude2010 · Post by **DisneyDude2010** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:54 am

Sotiris · Post by **Sotiris** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:54 am

Fairytales · Post by **Fairytales** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:22 am

mokka456 wrote:
Fairytales wrote:Today when i was out from school i went to the small shopping mall near to my school to buy some gifts for Sinterklaas (it's a holiday, like christmas here.)
But then i saw the Tangled Comic Book! (ofcourse it said ''rapunzel'' and not tangled, but whatever. and EVERYWHERE in that little mall were HUGE posters with ''Rapunzel' on them! it made me feel so happy!!

because tomorrow is the day... i'm going to see TANGLED
bytheway, i bought the comic book and my best friend saw mother Gothel and said: 'Look at that woman, she looks like Michael Jackson!' xD
WELK WARENHUIS/WINKEL WAS HETl?

Albert Heijn, tussen de tijdschriften! Ik vond het zelf ook apart!
Het is niet het "Art of Tangled" boek he, het is de strip!
Hij kost 4,50 trouwens.

Fairytales · Post by **Fairytales** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:31 am

supertalies wrote:That is so cool! Where do you live and where did you buy the comic book? In which store? I want to have it too!

Also, this is the version of 'Something that I want' that is played during the credits of the Dutch dub. It's a duet.

The girl is one of the faces for the Dutch Disney Channel and they guy...I don't know..

Anyway, here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXrjwhETOjQ

Ik woon in Utrecht en heb mijn strip in de Albert Heijn gekocht

Die Dean komt me echt niet bekend voor, en Disney xD is belachelijk. Ze laten de trailer van MEGAMIND, hun grote vijand, wel zien. Maar de Rapunzel trailer heb ik nog niet 1 keer gezien op Disney xD. Rare mensen.

En oei, die gast zingt soms wel eens vals... Anyway, ik ben benieuwd hoe ze de andere liedjes uit de film vertaald hebben!

dollover · Post by **dollover** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 1:18 pm

I actually thought the stabbington brothers merely pretended to be beaten by Gothel, but they that wouldn't explain why they ended up in jail. However even the biggest, hulkiest, sexiest man have sensitive spots (especially on their heads, where you can't really develop muscles) to which Gothel probably took advantage of.

You know, I thought the same thing until my husband pointed out that it didn't make sense-what would they have gotten out of it? I thought maybe they had agreed to meet Gothel later after pretending to be knocked out, but how would that have been advantageous to just capturing Rapunzel directly like they were in the process of doing? So I had to grudgingly agree that they indeed did both get knocked out by Gothel, but I still didn't think it was all that farfetched that she was able to do it.

That's a good point about Gothel being hundreds of years old and knowing many secrets.

I also thought Rapunzel sometimes looked off model, which I didn't really think was possible with CG. Her looks ranged from very lovely young lady to petulant toddler, and her head did seem bigger than Flynn's sometimes but I think it really was because her head was rounder and more out of proportion so seemed larger than it was.

Tristy · Post by **Tristy** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 1:20 pm

I think some CG characters can look off model at times.

I noticed Gollum looks different in certain shots of LOTR and Woody does look different as well at times.

wafflenugget · Post by **wafflenugget** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 1:35 pm

http://digital.copcomm.com/issue/19812/27
An article from Computer Graphics World about Tangled.

mokka456 · Post by **mokka456** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 2:02 pm

Fairytales wrote:
supertalies wrote:That is so cool! Where do you live and where did you buy the comic book? In which store? I want to have it too! :D

Also, this is the version of 'Something that I want' that is played during the credits of the Dutch dub. It's a duet.

The girl is one of the faces for the Dutch Disney Channel and they guy...I don't know.. :P

Anyway, here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXrjwhETOjQ
Ik woon in Utrecht en heb mijn strip in de Albert Heijn gekocht :D
Die Dean komt me echt niet bekend voor, en Disney xD is belachelijk. Ze laten de trailer van MEGAMIND, hun grote vijand, wel zien. Maar de Rapunzel trailer heb ik nog niet 1 keer gezien op Disney xD. Rare mensen.

En oei, die gast zingt soms wel eens vals... Anyway, ik ben benieuwd hoe ze de andere liedjes uit de film vertaald hebben!

En waar is het warenhuis met die posters?

Sotiris · Post by **Sotiris** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 2:46 pm

wafflenugget wrote:http://digital.copcomm.com/issue/19812/27
An article from Computer Graphics World about Tangled.

Thanks

Great article. Wish I could find the Animation Magazine issue dedicated to Tangled too.

Fairytales · Post by **Fairytales** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 3:00 pm

mokka456 wrote:
Fairytales wrote: Ik woon in Utrecht en heb mijn strip in de Albert Heijn gekocht
Die Dean komt me echt niet bekend voor, en Disney xD is belachelijk. Ze laten de trailer van MEGAMIND, hun grote vijand, wel zien. Maar de Rapunzel trailer heb ik nog niet 1 keer gezien op Disney xD. Rare mensen.

En oei, die gast zingt soms wel eens vals... Anyway, ik ben benieuwd hoe ze de andere liedjes uit de film vertaald hebben!
En waar is het warenhuis met die posters?

Dat was geen warenhuis, ze hingen door de stad op van die elektrische borden, met posters achter glas, en dat de posters dan omhoog of naar beneden gaan en er dan weer een andere verschijnt. die je altijd bij tankstations ziet. reclameposters dus, geen koopbare

Super Aurora · Post by **Super Aurora** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 5:36 pm

phan258 wrote:Sorry Super Aurora, but no....I gave her the image and she was able to get it specially printed at her school (since I couldn't go to Staples & the like because the image is copyrighted).

Ah ok. where can I find the image online then?

ajmrowland · Post by **ajmrowland** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 5:55 pm

Since everybody who'd want to go with me is too busy, I might just end up seeing this by myself, like I do most of my DVDs.

Unless anyone here lives in Appleton/Oshkosh/Neenah/Menasha, Wisconsin?

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