Are You Gay 2? It's a New, More Fabulous Thread!

[lord-of-sith]

But um... School Edition? What's that, just no cursing or something?

From what I've heard, basically all of the f-bombs have been taken out (she cheated! she cheated! maureen cheated! really cheated! hahahaha) and the song "Contact" is out. There are a few other edits here and there as well, though nothing major. It's very much intact for a school edition.

[xxhplinkxx]

In case you live under a rock and haven't heard the news by now, the California supreme court announced the decision to keep Proposition 8, continuing the ban on gay marriage. However, they also decided to still recognize the estimated 18,000 gay marriages that had already taken place.

Yeah, that makes perfect sense, right?

[Disney's Divinity]

In case you live under a rock and haven't heard the news by now, the California supreme court announced the decision to keep Proposition 8, continuing the ban on gay marriage. However, they also decided to still recognize the estimated 18,000 gay marriages that had already taken place.

Yeah, that makes perfect sense, right?

Yeah, I got an e-mail about that. Strange. Maybe they decided to recognize the previous marriages so they don't look like complete idiots, I guess. Too late.

[Flanger-Hanger]

Maybe they decided to recognize the previous marriages so they don't look like complete idiots, I guess. Too late.

Could you imagine the legal issues for each couple? Now times that by 18,000 and you got a huge headache. They probably just threw up their arms and said "screw it, will just let them be couples".

[Jack Skellington]

In my opinion I think the main problem here is that the U.S government don't know that there aren't as few GLBT in the States as they assume them to be, if they did some research and asked every U.S citizen about there sexual orientation it will definitely outnumber there assumption by millions. It's just like in the movie "Milk" (Which was banned here along with Brokeback Mountain , but I always find away to watch them anyway. ), Harvey Milk asked all of the GLBT's of California to let there sexual orientation be known and come out, and the government granted them there rights.
Trust me, your government wouldn't have the audacity to tell you what to do if they really knew just how many homosexuals live in the States, you see we silly homosapiens naturally have the fear of getting our a$$ kicked above all else.

[Widdi]

One question remains: Is gay divorce legal for those 18000 couples?

[Deco King]

I think I already outed myself on a previous thread so maybe Deco King should read Deco Queen , though I don't count myself as a queen , simply as a gay man!

[Disney Duster]

Ahahahahaha!

Adam Lambert finally came out and admitted he was gay!

Everyone else in this thread: So?

He said, "I don't think it should be a surprise for anyone to hear that I'm gay."

Everyone else in this thread: So?

Well, everyone thought he was, and he said it should've been able to tell that he was, going with what I said about how you can tell gay people are gay, because it goes beyond just knowing they like the smame sex!

Everyone else in this thread: Yea, but that's just one gay guy, it still doesn't mean you're able to tell by how every single gay person acts!

Yea, but it's still a score one for me!

Everyone else in this thread: ...

Hehehehehehehehehehe...haHAhahahaha!!!!!!

[Disney's Divinity]

Okay...

I agreed with Kara on the View, "I didn't think he was ever in the closet." The media is so strange--everyone was so desperate for him to say it out loud. I think he said previously, "I am what I am." Perez Hilton in particular (who gets on my nerves more and more as each day goes by) criticized him for never saying it. Point is, he shouldn't have to. Nobody ever has a magazine story declaring, "I'm straight."

[Disney Duster]

Well, actually I do believe he was out of the closet, but never answered he was gay to the media.

You see, I've heard a lot that American Idol pressures people to stay in the closet, for the show, and maybe some gay contestants do it so people will vote for them without prejudice.

That may be what Adam did, for the show and/or his votes.

And I think that is why Perez Hilton was angry. People asked him if he was gay, and he didn't say yes, and some people could say that's hiding the truth. It's not the same as not declaring it or making it a magazine story, because it's hiding it when asked about it. I also thought I heard he said "No" one time, but I do not know, or think, that it's true.

But then he gets a cover story after American Idol is over, so he did finally say it, and big. So you can see how it looks like he kept it quiet for American Idol.

Anyway, I'm really not liking how people keep saying being gay is no big deal.

I love being gay, I like and do a lot of "gay" things, I love the fact that gay is apart of me, and yes, I want to shout it out and wouldn't mind magazine coverage of a wonderful part of me that I love.

Also, being gay is certainly a big deal in a world where it is oppressed. Yes, it is a big deal that Adam Lambert is gay, because he is gay person who might make it big, successful, and popularly loved.

HOWEVER, did you notice that he lost to Christian, hetereosexually married Kris Allen? Something tells me America still might not popularly love a gay person, or let them win, even if they are the better, more interesting singer.

So this is why it's important our gay Adam makes it.

[blackcauldron85]

Also, being gay is certainly a big deal in a world where it is oppressed. Yes, it is a big deal that Adam Lambert is gay, because he is gay person who might make it big, successful, and popularly loved.

HOWEVER, did you notice that he lost to Christian, hetereosexually married Kris Allen? Something tells me America still might not popularly love a gay person, or let them win, even if they are the better, more interesting singer.

So this is why it's important our gay Adam makes it.

Very well said! Like, I think it's not a big deal in the same sense that it doesn't matter that Hillary Clinton is a woman and that Barrack Obama is black; they're still just people, but, at the same time, their achievements are a big deal, since people have been striving for equality for so long.

Today, I was hanging out with a friend who just so happens to be a lesbian. We hung out because I've been sick of closed-minded people, yadda, yadda, yadda, and I emailed her asking if people at our church have been weird about it with her, or whatever... basically, she said, let's hang out and talk about it. She had stopped coming to church for a while- she's not sure what she believes in. As I said, I've been sick of closed-minded conservative people for a little while now, and that includes people at my church. I disagree with certain things; I don't think that our church is the best way (it's a small one that is heavily centered around community); I don't think it's a bad way, but it's not the only way it should be done. Likewise, if someone has a belief system (another rant I could go on- a "belief" is just that- if you don't agree with how someone thinks, then just let it be) that is different from yours, don't judge them on it, don't think less of them. As I said to my friend today, Jesus hung out with prostitutes and thieves- so why the heck is hanging out with a gay person bad? My friend said how a select few people at our church don't bug her about her sexuality, and a couple of them (well, 3 if you include me) support her. She said how some people basically want nothing to do with her, which is very un-Christian, if you ask me. It just bothers me. She said that she was talking with a friend in our church, who she is currently staying with (one of the 3 who support her), and she said that he said (I think she said that he said this) that if she were to have a partner and bring that partner to church, the church would VOTE if that would be acceptable, for them to come to church. I am beyond outraged at this, and really want her to find a girlfriend to do just that so I can boycott our little church. The friend said that he would stick with her and not the church, too. That just pisses me off. Ugh. I just can't stand some people sometimes.

[Disney's Divinity]

HOWEVER, did you notice that he lost to Christian, hetereosexually married Kris Allen? Something tells me America still might not popularly love a gay person, or let them win, even if they are the better, more interesting singer.

So this is why it's important our gay Adam makes it.

I was actually not surprised at all. The more interesting, popular and/or experienced singer nearly always loses to the underdog. Take Melinda Doolitte and Blake Lewis' loss to Jordin Sparks. Or Katherine McPhee's loss to Taylor Hicks. Or Clay Aiken to Ruben Studdard. The fact that he's gay may or may not have anything to do with it--it could just be that some people prefer Kris' softer voice to Adam's banshee screeching. Or maybe many of them just thought Adam was a camera whore (I know I've heard that comment dropped around a lot since the finale).

Also, I personally feel that making a big deal about something that is not a big deal, makes it seem like people are different from one another when they actually aren't. It shouldn't even be important that he is a gay person who is popularly loved, as if gay individuals need role models to believe in themselves or have fame. Using blackcauldron's example, the fact that Barack Obama seems to have mostly been flaunted as the first black president will leave open the question of whether he won because he deserved it or just because he was black.

And Adam has never said "No, he's not gay," because, if he had, there wouldn't have been a constant question over the issue.

[Disney Duster]

Oh, thank you Amy!

I am glad you believe what you feel is right, that you believe that God loves gay people. I personally believe God wants me to be happy, even if that means loving a boy like me. I don't know if you feel God wants that, but at least you believe he loves and forgives always.

I hope you do find a church that you like and does not terribly infringe on your own beliefs. Same for your friends, too.

Divinity, I know that America could prefer Kris's actual singing, and that many a time it seems the better singer has come second. But it's curious along with that, a lot of gay singers in particular have been passed, often the runner ups or almost runner ups.

Adam's cover story actually focused on his "liberation", specifically about being free to be gay, not just that he was gay. And if you want, you could say he just casually said he was gay in the interview. But the point of his story, revealing he was gay since he was little and all, was to say that it was okay to be gay, and it's oppression wasn't going to stop him from doing what he wanted. It wasn't just, "I'm gay" over and over, ahee.

I still think being gay and being proud is great to announce, just like some people actually take pride in being black or being a woman, or even being a man, just being who you are, and loving that fact so much.

And um...yes, some gay role models are indeed needed for some gay people to feel they can do what they want. I mean, the first people coming out open the doors for other people.

If no one let the world know they were out, only close friends...we probably wouldn't be as far as we are! I mean, we might not know Adam or Clay or many others are gay if they kept it to only their friends, but I'm glad I can know people I like and look up to are, well, like me.

I must admit, I do not know if I would come out as gay if it weren't for I don't know how many other people admitting it...and I see that they're still, well, alive, or living a good, public life. In fact, if I went on American Idol, I don't know if I would admit I was gay, because there has yet been someone to do so on the show. I'd love to be the first. I don't know. What if it ruined my chances, though? You see, coming out and making it heard, perhaps through big news, but making it heard by many people, is such a positive thing. Because maybe if we kept coming out, then eventually American Idol would one day vote someone they knew was gay, and it would be as passively known as how people knew Kris Allen was a church leader, and was married. Yea, not a big deal, but still known. Maybe one day we'd see an Idol contestant married to the same sex...or shouting love to their boyfriend/girlfriend. They ask the contestants lots of questions, and it's almost inevitable questions of who they like, or love, or are with, come up, and the answers will be, um, telling.

But now that I think about it, maybe I would keep quiet about if I was gay if I was on Idol, and just say I was glamorous and flashy and sang high cause it was my style...but I would love to make it that I don't have to keep quiet, that I could say I like one of the guy contestants, and finally show that gay love is perfectly family friendly, there can be gay kids in your family watching American Idol at that very moment.

[Chernabog_Rocks]

Just going to throw this out there but I'm not 100% sure Adam came out for the sake of just coming out. He's been really (from what I hear) flashy and sort of Pay-Attention-To-Me kind of a person on the show, and since everyone's been questioning his orientation maybe he did this whole coming out to get even more attention. I mean he even said instead of coming out for the first interview that came along he waited until the Rolling Stones magazine came to him and did an interview and photoshoot.

So now he's on the cover of the magazine and all, and it just seems like a way to get some more attention on him for a while. He never really even needed to fully come out, I found it obvious he was gay from the moment I saw a picture of him and yet here we are with the whole interviews etc.

As a role model I'm not sure he's the greatest out there for teens, what with the whole drug issue but I digress. I think John Barrowman, Elton John or Sir Ian McKellen (sp?) would be much better than him but that's just my hasty opinion.

*Prepares for the inevitable replies and flames*

[blackcauldron85]

I am glad you believe what you feel is right, that you believe that God loves gay people. I personally believe God wants me to be happy, even if that means loving a boy like me. I don't know if you feel God wants that, but at least you believe he loves and forgives always.

I hope you do find a church that you like and does not terribly infringe on your own beliefs. Same for your friends, too.

As my friend had said, why would God make someone gay if they're not supposed to be?

I feel that people are who they are, and others need to respect that. If someone believes something for themselves, then let them- if it doesn't even affect you, just leave it alone. Just be happy that others are happy and living how they want to live. I mean, this is America- people shouldn't be persecuted for their beliefs or lifestyle.

[PatrickvD]

The only reason he hasn't spoken out before is probaply because of Fox's policy. American Idol is family programming. They don't want to have to deal with all kinds of crap, so that's probaply why his sexuality was never addressed.

Not that anyone needed to. It was obvious and surprisingly, everyone is fine with it. It's becoming less of a big deal. So hopefully in future seasons of AI, contestants can be openly gay during the competition. Not just after.

[Ting Ting]

The only reason he hasn't spoken out before is probaply because of Fox's policy. American Idol is family programming.

What I don't understand is why him being gay should interfere with the whole "family programming" issue. Why is being straight more appropriate than being gay?

[goofystitch]

It doesn't seem to be Fox's doing for him to stay in the closet. It seems that he worried it would hurt his chances. Do any of you remember Danny Noriega? He wasn't supremely talented like Adam Lambert, but he was openly gay and made it to the live show before the top 12 was picked, but America didn't vote him in. I figured that if Fox was so worried about the "family audience," they probably would have made Danny cover it up.

[lord-of-sith]

Since I already posted something about it in this thread, I wanted to post a promotional video one of my friends made of our RENT: Student Edition production for anyone interested:


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[Flanger-Hanger]

Went to my first Pride Parade today and what an event! I can't believe it was 2 hours long, more like a huge party than a parade. Tons of energy and although the floats were not incredibly elaborate (I'm spoiled because of Disney), the people both in the crowd and on the parade made it fantastic. There were so many people it was almost impossible to see anything at times, but still fun all the way through.

And next year I'm taking a water gun to spray back all the people who got me wet.

Oh, and yes there were some good floats with studs in skimpy bulging briefs as there should be.