Frog Princess found & renamed!

[blackcauldron85]

^great points.

I don't know why I care either but I'm just trying to justify Disney's reasons for renaming the movie.

Personally, I prefer the title, "The Frog Princess", but the current title is much better suited for this movie imo.

Thanks! I prefer the original title, too, but I agree with you about the current title being better-suited, only if:

a) the prince is a frog when we first meet him
b) Tiana only turns into a frog for a short while
c) Tiana doesn't turn into a frog

Oooh, I just had a thought. What if Tiana isn't a princess while she's in frog form? Maybe someone has already touched on this. Or maybe since she's not princess of the frogs...maybe the prince is a prince of the frogs? Maybe the prince wax transformed into a frog and he eventually ended up being a prince in the froggy kindgom? I really need to reread the plot sypnosis that is posted in this thread, because I'm just being silly now.

I'm just so excited for this film!

[Ariel'sprince]

Hold on.
First of all,he is a prince,and Tiana isn't a princess,she wants to be a princess (Did you guys even remember that what was posted said she wants to be the "Future queen of New Orleans"? and she wants to believe in fairy tale? obviously she's not a princess,they also said that the prince is a human who turns into a frog,and he's a real prince,she's a princess like Cinderella and Belle).
This is a twist because this never happened in the original story so this IS a spoiler,we should also change the thread's name,it's not Ariel turns into a human or Beast turns into a beast,everybody knows that but they don't know that Tiana will be a frog.

[yukitora]

I'm pretty sure we see the prince being turned into a frog. And that we're lead to think that the princess will turn him back into a man so he can kill the baddy, but instead she turns into a frog too, and the movie explodes into a Cool Jazzy affair.

Anyhow, I looooove the frog kingdom idea XD Who says you need to be human to be part of the Disney Princess Line? XD The other princess could take turns older ol' little Tiana in their hands wearing her own mini version of the jewel look dress

edit: Ariel'sprince, I thought she said "Who cares what they say! I KNOW I'm going to be the queen of New Orleans".

SPOILER

At this point they brought out Anika Noni Rose (the third part to Hudson and Knowles in DREAMGIRLS) who voices Tiana. She sang one of the songs from the movie as stills showed on the screen behind her. It’s a sad song … pretty much a song of longing. It’s starts cynical, saying there’s no Prince Charming coming in a white horse, no matter how much she wants to believe in fairy tales, but then gets a little more uplifting. Pretty much a “damn it all, I don’t care what they see. I know I’m the future Queen of New Orleans.”

I think what's going on is she's in the line to be queen, but the baddies don't what her to be and treat her badly (Like Snow White). That's just my guess.

[Ariel'sprince]

There's NO way she"ll be an animale princess (If you haven't noticed,Nala is not in the franchise,only humans or... something like humans (Merpeople) can be Disney Princesses),besides-She and the Prince will be humans in the end.
She sings about fairy tales not coming true (I guess her family tells her that she should be more "realistic" and not to believe in happily ever afters) but she understands that "Who cares what they say? I KNOW I"m going to be the queen of New Orleans and live happily ever after!" so obviously she's not a princess,I think her to merry someone she doesn't like (Like Jasmine) so that's why the pretty dress and from her pose-She even make upon a star (Notice the star),or maybe I gone a bit too far .

[Sotiris]

Ok, i'm a bit confused about Tiana's social status. If she is not a princess by blood and she will become later on by marriage, doesn't that contradicts the title? "The Princess and the Frog" denotes her already being a princess and then meeting the frog.

On the other hand, the fact that her song is about "damn it all, i know i will become the future Queen of N.Orleands" doesn't it suggest that she is not a priness to begin with? Or does it mean she is a princess but people don't find her she can live up to the task of being a queen and she will prove them wrong?

And what does "futue queen of New Orleands" is supposed to mean? Did Orleans had a king and queen at the time? I don't think so. So it is a metaphorical "queen" of lets say song or jazz, perhaps?

Then again if she is not a princess by blood why does the prince wants to be kissed by her? I presume they haven't fallen in love yet (that will happen i believe during their stay in frogland) so a true love's kisss was not the initial "antitode" but being kissed by a princess?

Ahhh, so many questions

[yukitora]

I think she's the princess in line to be queen.

Therefore, she knows she'll be queen eventually. And is a princess to begin with.

[Sotiris]

I think she's the princess in line to be queen.

Therefore, she knows she'll be queen eventually. And is a princess to begin with.

That's what i said:

she is a princess but people don't find her she can live up to the task of being a queen and she will prove them wrong?

But still that idea is not very clear.

[steve]

Since the movie is set in New Orleans, USA in the 1920s, it's very unlikely Tiana is actually a princess, unless she isn't from New Orleans. Also, the scrapped character description of her being a chamber maid would suggest that she does NOT start the movie as a princess.

[Ariel'sprince]

No,she's NOT a princess,she's a princess by marrige:

It’s a sad song … pretty much a song of longing. It’s starts cynical, saying there’s no Prince Charming coming in a white horse, no matter how much she wants to believe in fairy tales,

She's dreaming of being a princess and marry a prince,she's NOT a princess,she"ll be a princess by marrige,it's not a spoiler,everybody who knows the original story knows that she and the frog will fell in love but not everybody knows that she"ll be a frog too,all of you are forgetting that Disney made this twist,this never happened in the original story,it IS a spoiler.

[Disney's Divinity]

I'm pretty sure that they've said that Tiana will be a "princess" of the New Orleans' Mardi Gras parade (sort of like how Quasimodo was the "King of Fools"), but will marry Prince Levine and become true "royalty" (of another country, not the New orleans) in the end.

Personally, I prefer the title, "The Frog Princess", but the current title is much better suited for this movie imo.

I disagree. If Tiana's meant to be a "princess" of Mardi Gras (before being married to Prince Levine), then why is the prince (who is the frog) simply called a frog in "The Princess and the Frog"? "The Frog Princess" would surely imply, along with the prince, that she's a princess that happens to be/become a frog [at times]. Or, for people who have no idea where the film is headed, it would imply simply that the princess is married to a frog prince, thus making her a 'frog' princess by marriage in the same way that Mr. Banks' wife takes his surname.

In any case, I do not find it a spoiler, as her being a frog is certainly not the critical moment of the film. How she overcomes being cursed as a frog, or how she ends up as one in the first place, is the more important part of synopsis. For some reason, I think the only reason the movie now has its horrid title is because of Disney's urge to be as politically correct as possible--people could get mad if the black girl gets named after a frog when the white girls had "beauty" titles.

[yukitora]

I think I understand what you're saying now I didn't know there was such a thing called the Mardi Gras queen. In that case, The Frog Princess makes a lot more sense.

To be honest, I think I'm a little disappointed with that plot line, because all that comes to mind is Sydney's Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras, which is a little too much for me

[nomad2010]

here's a capture as it would appear of the crocodile and the frogs...

http://bp0.blogger.com/_IVz6eiQYukI/SCX ... h/frog.jpg

[Sotiris]

I'm pretty sure that they've said that Tiana will be a "princess" of the New Orleans' Mardi Gras parade (sort of like how Quasimodo was the "King of Fools"), but will marry Prince Levine and become true "royalty" (of another country, not the New Orleans) in the end.

So she will be a princess of the parade? What kind of contest is it anyway and what are the criteria? Either way, wanting so bad to become the "future queen of the Orleans" parade sounds to me kinda trivial and silly. Is this her dream? To win in some lame parade? If that is the case it makes her character less interesting or unique.

[akhenaten]

just a princess of mardi gras? that's lower than the daughter of a chief or a kingdom warrior.

its funny if she was an all western black princess..id still rather have an african black princess. or maybe she is from a fictional kingdom like the one in 'coming to america'.

[Ariel'sprince]

Wait:

saying there’s no Prince Charming coming in a white horse, no matter how much she wants to believe in fairy tales,

.
They"re talking about fairy tales,I don't think there's a parade.

[yukitora]

just a princess of mardi gras? that's lower than the daughter of a chief or a kingdom warrior.

its funny if she was an all western black princess..id still rather have an african black princess. or maybe she is from a fictional kingdom like the one in 'coming to america'.

I think she'll become a real Princess when she marries Lavine.

[blackcauldron85]

Either way, wanting so bad to become the "future queen of the Orleans" parade sounds to me kinda trivial and silly. Is this her dream? To win in some lame parade? If that is the case it makes her character less interesting or unique.

It's probably similar to a girl who dreams of being the prom queen...

[Ariel'sprince]

Either way, wanting so bad to become the "future queen of the Orleans" parade sounds to me kinda trivial and silly. Is this her dream? To win in some lame parade? If that is the case it makes her character less interesting or unique.

It's probably similar to a girl who dreams of being the prom queen...

She's dreaming of merrying a prince.

[Disney's Divinity]

We haven't seen the film, so we have no idea what she's dreaming about. In fact, none of the princesses "dreamed" of a prince except Snow White, Cinderella (later in the movie), and Ariel (rather, a man, as she was already a princess). Aurora, Belle and Jasmine just happened to find one.

Besides, there's nothing wrong with her both wanting to be recognized by her community in the parade and also wanting to marry Levine. Ariel wanted to explore, Belle wanted adventure and Jasmine wanted freedom long before their men came in the picture.

Also, I've done a search and found that most every site says The Princess and the Frog is set during a Mardi Gras of New Orleans. Just because it's meant to be a fairy tale, doesn't mean there can't be a parade.

[Ariel'sprince]

So she wants to be both a real princess and a parade princess? also you said she looks like a prom queen,maybe she does became a parade queen (And she wants to be a fairy tale princess) but... being a parade queen isn't enough for her?.
Snow White,Aurora and Giselle wanted love,Ariel wanted to be a human,Belle wanted adventures,Cinderella wanted better life,Jasmine wanted freedom,Pocahontas wanted to see new places and Mulan wanted to be what she truely is,they didn't really wanted a prince.