Frozen: Part V

[thedisneyspirit]

I do agree with her in that Frozen's success will seriously hurt Big Hero 6- I can see that movie making so little money. Comes November, we'd had very little promotion, and Disney would still be on with the Frozen craze.

November-Premieres Big Hero 6
Disney- "OMG ANNA AND ELSA CORONATION! Another Let It Go cover!!!"

[bkelly25]

That is a concern for me to. Big Hero 6 could be a great film and people will not noticed it. I love Frozen, but it should not push other films aside.

[Fflewduur]

That is a concern for me to. Big Hero 6 could be a great film and people will not noticed it. I love Frozen, but it should not push other films aside.

Frozen hasn't yet left the theaters and Big Hero 6 is still seven months away--I wouldn't worry about it. Not like there's anything you can do, anyway. I'm already sick of the Frozen saturation and I *like* the movie; by summer's end, the hoopla will definitely have died down.

[Warm Regards]

But that's the thing, Disney's prolonging it's life in many ways. It's still in theaters just to break the $400 million domestic barrier. Which is still shocking, that people are still seeing it in theaters despite the Blu Ray release.

Plus, isn't the Disney Princess coronation for Anna and Elsa coming soon? And the musical? And possibly an appearance on Once Upon a Time?

It's ain't over till the fat Oaken sings.

The Lego Movie didn't really steal the hype away either. Now, How To Train Your Dragon 2, on the other hand ...

[DisneyEra]

As I've said before, it all depends on how WDAS markets Big Hero 6. They probably will market it similar to 2012's WiR. We should get trailer 1 in early June & will have all summer to build up intrest. Plus when people learn that this is a Marvel property, it will gain instant credibility & people will want to see the film based on that alone. Also, an appearence at July's Comic Con in San Diego will also help, like it did WiR back in July 2012. When early September rolls around, the 2nd trailer should drop & the 2 month marketing blitz will start. Disney will have 2 months to release more trailers, ads, merchandise & interviews with the voice cast & directors & animators. I can't wailt to see how ALL this gets started

[Fflewduur]

I have a love-hate thing with superhero films. I haven't been into comic books since they could be had for a quarter--I was a big Spiderman fan back then, watched a lot of Batman on TV after school and Super Friends on Saturday mornings. Superhero films tend not to age well, or retain replay value...I remember totally digging Condorman at the drive-in, but today it's hard to remember why. I enjoyed the first Christopher Reeve Superman, but it's seemed kinda lame for the past 20 years or so. The first Tobey Maguire Spiderman was the best superhero film I'd ever seen when it came out...I thought so at the time, anyway. Watchmen was very impressive, but it had the virtue of being based on a book that made Time's Top 100 list--and once you know that story, there's not much incentive to go through it again and again (in fact, I traded in my BD for store credit that went Disney material). I like Downey as Iron Man, and The Avengers was a lot of fun (I like Mark Ruffalo's Hulk better than anyone else in that film, actually).

But the hands-down longest-staying-power-favorite-superhero flick? The Incredibles.
There's something about the qualities animation brings to the table that make superhero stuff less susceptible to poor aging.

Big Hero 6 is an utterly unknown quantity to me, but I'm starting to look forward to it quite a bit.

As for Frozen hanging on, I just don't see it as being an issue. A theme park coronation is not going to prolong mass media attention. The musical is in the early stages of development--it could be years before it's realized (Iger's line is "We're not demanding speed, we're demanding excellence" with this stage adaptation). The film is going to leave theaters, the home media sales will peak and fall off, the song will drop off the radio, and it's reign of supersaturation will be through. It'll be remembered when Anna and Elsa hit the small screen next season and the 3D home release comes along, but that'll be a brief and muted refrain compared to the past several months. Disney's going to ride this train as long as it keeps rolling, yes, but the Planes sequel is not going to set the world on fire, Inside Out won't be along til next summer, and those are the company's only other animated releases until 2016. Their focus will shift to Big Hero 6 soon enough.

[taei]

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Grace Randolph anwsers if WDAS is in a new Renassiance. She says no, says that Disney just got lucky with Frozen & WDAS upcoming films will not capture what audiences are expecting post Frozen. Anyone agree?

You know, a lot of people seem to hate Grace for her review of Frozen alone.
Guys, everyone is allowed to have an opinion, it's your choice whether you want to listen to her or not.
At first, i didn't like her because of some of the stuff she said about frozen, but now, i check her channel everyday.
Mainly because I like her trailer reviews and her movie reviews.

I think at some point she said that she's ok with the fans loving it, but doesn't matter that much.
The critical review of frozen by those 2 guys bothers me more than hers.

To be honest, I don't know if this is just because this is a FROZEN thread, but a lot of people seem to hate her because of the Frozen review only, but I think you guys should watch her other stuff. And honestly, her dedication to her fans is one of her best qualities.

Oh, and BTW.. I too don't think that we are heading into a renaissance. Movies just arn't that good...

[thelittleursula]

Frozen hasn't yet left the theaters and Big Hero 6 is still seven months away--I wouldn't worry about it

Okay I've been looking back on early Frozen stuff this week, to see how things started & turned into the Frozen we all know today, and I swear by now, we knew. We had some kind of idea who the main characters were. We knew about Anna, Elsa, Kristoff and Hans. We had art, we had hints, we had clues, even voice actors.

With Big Hero 6 we knew basically nothing.


I am worried.

Not like there's anything you can do, anyway. I'm already sick of the Frozen saturation and I *like* the movie; by summer's end, the hoopla will definitely have died down.

It should die down by June, thanks to HTTYD 2

But then dragons are going to be everywhere, till about Nov.

[PatrickvD]

Okay I've been looking back on early Frozen stuff this week, to see how things started & turned into the Frozen we all know today, and I swear by now, we knew. We had some kind of idea who the main characters were. We knew about Anna, Elsa, Kristoff and Hans. We had art, we had hints, we had clues, even voice actors.

With Big Hero 6 we knew basically nothing.


I am worried.

Oh God not this again.

Tell me, when you looked back, did you also find the hundreds of posts on this forum whining about how Frozen was going to flop because Disney wasn't putting out a trailer?

When I ask you, WHEN will we learn that marketing is not about quantity but about quality? During the 'Frozen is going to bomb' meltdown I've mentioned SO many times that Avatar also started its marketing campaign quite late and it did nothing to hurt the film. And behold, Frozen became the Avatar of animated movies. I never once said 'told ya so' but I'm going to do just that because I am SO tired of these posts. Remember how we got a Princess and the Frog teaser 1,5 years before the film came out? How did that work out?

The general audience, those that make or break a film, isn't online looking for trivia on movies coming out 6 months from now. That's just us.

The only reason you're worried is because you're impatient and can't wait to see/learn more about the film. Not because you claim to know anything about Disney's marketing plans for this film. Oh and their marketing department is easily one of the best in Hollywood. Disney's stock is riding high right now, because they've got hit after hit after hit.

Sorry if I'm coming off strong here, but I'm just so tired of linking the amount of info Disney has put out to how well it's going to do at the Box Office. I would even argue that when there's an air of mystery surrounding a project, the intrigue is bigger. Less is more sometimes. Ever seen the original theatrical trailer for Jurassic Park? Doesn't show a single dinosaur. It's incredibly effective.

[Atlantica]

Unfortunately, any film that comes after a vast success is deemed a 'failure' to some extent. It happens with film company and any film franchise.

(It won't) but can you imagine if Avengers II makes, say, a couple of million less than the original ? Critics or whomever will run with it as Marvel Cinematic Universe loosing its touch, the film is bad etc, even if the film is more enjoyable or even better than the first.

$£$£ = Disney

[Fflewduur]

Fans simply aren't the best-suited group of folks to judge a film's failure or success--in terms of artistic merit or viewer satisfaction, sure, but not in terms of economic performance. Should Avengers 2 make ten million less than its $1.5 billion-grossing predecessor, the difference would still be a fraction of one percent. Pixar's follow-up to Finding Nemo grossed about one-third less than its immediate predecessor--does anyone really believe The Incredibles was a failure? Or believe that the studio thinks it was?

Expectations are context-dependent. The expectations for Frozen--well, I'd bet every dime I own no one at Disney had an inkling it would break the billion-dollar barrier; that's a pretty exclusive club and a pretty short list. You have to consider what a film cost to make, what was spent on marketing, what its competition was at the time of release...and in Frozen's case, there are even more factors: the Disney animated princess musical feature is a known quantity; it's the first kind of feature the studio ever produced, and it's got immediate predecessors over the past few years in TPatF and Tangled. Those films were neither particularly successful, economically speaking. Frog is the obvious box-office loser in worldwide gross, but Tangled had a long and convoluted production history with a budget estimated at around a quarter of a billion dollars, which would make it one of the most expensive films ever made, and it fell far short of the 300% return on investment that marks the sweet spot for box office success--does the studio consider *it* a failure? I don't know. But both those films established audience expectations for a certain kind of story and storytelling and a certain level of quality by the time Frozen came along. Frozen could not have enjoyed this kind of phenomenal success without the films that came immediately before it, any more than The Lion King would have without TLM, BatB, and Aladdin.

Big Hero 6 will not be judged by Frozen's standards by anyone other than the-sky-is-falling fans. It's a completely different kind of film, it's based on source material pretty much entirely unknown outside serious Marvel fandom...and from what little we know, it sounds as if they may be taking some liberties with its source material, which stands the possibility of alienating the one audience segment most inclined to see it. It's a pretty risky project. I hope it's good, and I hope it does well.

[Warm Regards]

Oh my goodness, white haired Anna! (I never saw these before so bear with it )







Source: http://gotodisneyandbeyond.tumblr.com/p ... ing-anna-x

[Disney's Divinity]

I see those early designs borrowed her feet from The Nightmare Before Christmas.

[unprincess]

hand drawn concept art is so much prettier.

[Lady Cluck]

Some of the Frozen stuff we knew/saw early was because of leaks. Disney was not happy about those.

Most people don't scour the internet for info about the next Disney movie and the people who do aren't going to make or break the box office numbers. People were complaining about the lack of Frozen marketing and predicting it would bomb all the way up to its release. There was a marketing blitz in the last few weeks and we all know what happened from there.

Public awareness right before the premiere + good word of mouth are way more important for the success of a film nowadays. More and more movies are made, especially more blockbusters, so wasting money to build momentum throughout the year wouldn't be that effective. The public cares about what's out NOW. Disney doesn't cater to the diehard fans unfortunately

With that said, I would like a little more information about the cast by now I can understand why Disney keeps things under wraps now, and some things should be surprises, but cast information is usually known well in advance. Idina/Kristen were known about a year and a half before Frozen came out.

[thelittleursula]

Tell me, when you looked back, did you also find the hundreds of posts on this forum whining about how Frozen was going to flop because Disney wasn't putting out a trailer?

Hmmm more like 3D animation is the devil

During the 'Frozen is going to bomb' meltdown I've mentioned SO many times that Avatar also started its marketing campaign quite late and it did nothing to hurt the film. And behold, Frozen became the Avatar of animated movies. I never once said 'told ya so' but I'm going to do just that because I am SO tired of these posts. Remember how we got a Princess and the Frog teaser 1,5 years before the film came out? How did that work out?

True, you have a point

The only reason you're worried is because you're impatient and can't wait to see/learn more about the film.

Not really no, superhero movies are not my thing, though I do want to be open-minded. Just worried that Disney is going through a Aladdin/ Black Friday thing, or because of Frozen's success they are worried about the pressure on their shoulders to do well, or just as well.

I'm more hyped about Giants tbh with you

[disneyprincess11]

For example, in Olaf’s sequence, he was shown to start the song with a snow globe he carried around, which was originally Elsa’s snow globe symbolizing the good that was still in her. Olaf was meant to carry it around during the movie, but they said they scrapped it, since there was already too much symbolism throughout.

They also showed a few movie sequence storyboards, some with the storyboard artists pitching them to us, playing each slide with their own dialogue. One that I remember quite well was the scene when Anna introduces Hans to Elsa. There were two variations of the scene. The second one had a dialogue change, which was funny to watch with the audience’s reactions. The scene is after Elsa tells Anna she can’t marry Hans. It went a bit along the lines of:

Anna: “You can’t tell me what to do. You aren’t my mother!”
Elsa: “I may not be your mother, but I am your queen, and you will not be getting married.”
Anna: “…. Mean! Mean Queen!”

http://www.insidethemagic.net/2014/04/w ... -and-song/

[bradhig]

Rapunzel and Eugene were in Arendelle. Scroll down to the third screenshot. Looks like they got stuck there with everyone else.

http://www.pinterest.com/pin/407998047463862883/

[Lady Cluck]

Thanks for sharing but we knew that months ago!

[taei]

Disney announced the Frozen sequel.
"For the first time in forever, Walt Disney Animation Studious and DreamWorks Animation are letting go of their rivalry, and are uniting to present Disney's Frosty Kingdom."