The Little Mermaid:Ariel's Beginning Discussion Thread Vol.3

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Hey, I'm only two days older than Disney Villain! (Yeah, my birthday's today! :D)

I, too, have seen Ariel's Beginning. I watched it early because I know for a fact I'm getting the DVD for my birthday. TLM, being a movie that came out the year I was born, is very special to me. It is also (I believe) the first Disney movie I saw in theaters. I think my parents just took me to the dang theater so the pretty colors would make me fall asleep. :lol:

I shall have my thoughts in chronological order.

I loved the opening. Lorelei Butters is an awesome actress. I could say the same thing for Jim Cummings if he hadn't been in every single other animated project in history. The scene with the lagoon was well-animated, I was impressed.

Everyone says Athena looks exactly like Ariel. She doesn't. She really doesn't. I look more like my mom than Ariel looks like hers. I thought the thing with the pirates was okay. We didn't need much background on Ariel's mom because we already knew (obviously) that she had died. I thought the pirate ship shots were a good, artistic choice. Very mysterious. I liked it.

There's one bit of confusion: how old is Ariel supposed to be when Athena dies? I would guess in the 2-5 years old range. I can remember things when I was five, so why wouldn't Ariel remember Athena? Another thing I didn't like was Ariel tickling....what's-her-face. I got two hours of sleep and I forgot who it was. It just seems so un-Ariel-like. You know what I mean? She could've gotten her yucks in some other way if that's what the creators wanted.

I really, really like Jeanine Tesori, especially Thoroughly Modern Millie. It's a great Broadway musical. Marina Del Ray actually reminds me of Mrs. Meers from that musical. She wasn't much of an imposing villain, either, compared to Ursula. But then again, who is? Hehehe.

Oh God, Benjamin was just incredible. While I think Jeff Bennett has gotten as overused as Jim Cummings, it actually took me a while to realize that it was actually Jeff Bennett doing Benjamin's voice. "That's it! Three names!" "We're going on....seven minutes." "French!" Hehehe. And him at the end....Oh lord, I was in tears.

Onto Marina herself. As I said, a good villainess. Of course, nowhere near as good as Ursula, but maybe better than Morgana, and outside TLM, she's better than, say, Zira or even Jafar, maybe. That could be argued, but I'm not here to argue the point unless someone challenges me to. :D

I really liked the mersisters. I think the nasally-voiced one is my favorite. :D I also like "Jump in the Line", but part of me wishes they had done all-original songs. Hey, it WAS a good choice, so I'm not arguing that. What the heck was with the 'I Will Sing'? Who was supposed to be singing that? Seemed shoe-horned to me. If they would've had a character sing it, I would've liked it better.

I thought the Marina-Missile was kind of funny. Hahaha. The 'fake death' thing was, like, a little overdone...But hey.

Hmm....

Yeah, that should wrap it up.

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Finally came round to watching it, and I have to say,it aint that bad :o

Shocking, I know :lol:

Unlike most dtv, this one actually holds some drama.
Characterwise they totally f~~~d things up though :x
I mean Flounder being some sort of musicfreak???
That's like white folks acting black, that just aint right :lol:

Animation was rather decent, Triton's hair actually moved this time :o
Marina was ok, but Sally Field is no Patt Carol.

The overall story was decent enough to have a second viewing
I would have loved an Ursula backstory like anyone here, but o well..

In our minds Marina can always turn evil, do to her enprisonment and out of pure anger...turn fat and purple... :lol:

Jodi Benson again gives an excellent performance considering it's been a while :D

Happy viewing everyone :wink:
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Thank you so much for the soundtrack, Disney Villain!!!



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Do you still have the Cinderella 3 soundtrack?

I lost some of the songs... :(
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I dont even see Marina as that much of a villan. I mean all she did really was tell on Sebastion for the club and send electric eels after him. And the eels were a little bit out of her charecter since she already got what she wanted. I dont see how she could think she would get anything out of by sending the eels after Ariel aswell who is the kings daughter. But I enjoyed her none the less.
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REINIER wrote:
The overall story was decent enough to have a second viewing
I would have loved an Ursula backstory like anyone here, but o well..
Ya know, a line of Disney Villains prequels wouldn't be such a bad idea, showing how the Disney Villains came to be so evil. I guess that would be a bit dark for Disney though, ha. But ya gotta wonder where all the Octopus people are (I forget if they were ever on the series), or if Ursula was a mermaid and one of her spells backfired, turning her into an octopus woman.
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slave2moonlight wrote:
REINIER wrote:
The overall story was decent enough to have a second viewing
I would have loved an Ursula backstory like anyone here, but o well..
Ya know, a line of Disney Villains prequels wouldn't be such a bad idea, showing how the Disney Villains came to be so evil. I guess that would be a bit dark for Disney though, ha. But ya gotta wonder where all the Octopus people are (I forget if they were ever on the series), or if Ursula was a mermaid and one of her spells backfired, turning her into an octopus woman.
Then what about Morgana?

I dont really remember any Octopus people in the series. I mainly remember the shark race, a have looking eel boy, the manta, the gators and I think a half shark boy. I think under the sea almost every species stays with their own.

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Ok I did a little searching and here are all the different races we saw:
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Even though you cant see the guys tail in the second picture, it wasnt a mertail if I remember correctly. And Ursula may have mentioned a battle between Triton and her people.
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Wow, have I ever been out of the loop on this! Read the review and definitely gonna rent it soon. . . even if I like my own story ideas for a prequel better. :wink: :lol:
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Siren, I have no intention of starting a fight, but I think you miss the point. Is it technically legal to rip the songs? Of course it isn’t. However Disney never released the soundtrack, they did release the movie. If Disney ever decided to release a proper soundtrack for this film I would gladly remove the track I uploaded. Besides, we would all buy the soundtrack if Disney released it. I would never download any movie online illegally (like you have admitted). I consider that wrong, even if I did buy the film once it was released. I ripped these tracks because I was trying to be nice since Disney did not release the soundtrack. I understand where you’re coming from, but I think it was foolish. I am trying to do something nice, nothing more. If Disney ever releases a soundtrack I will happily remove all the tracks. I have no intention of starting an argument. To me it makes sense for people to be up in arms when someone illegally downloads a film. This is a different situation.
No, this is the SAME situation. I said I download movies because I am impatient and want to see them again, but I still buy the DVD. People are impatient about a soundtrack release, which I am confident there will be one, so people are uploading the songs. But you think that's okay? But what I do isn't? Like I said, double standards and also hypocritical. I'm not saying to take them down or for others not to download them. I am not going to tell someone how to live their life here, but I was making a mere observation that there is a double standard going on. I don't want to fight, just wanted to point it out. If you actually see this as two different things, then you are being a tad bit ignorant too. You and others are doing the same thing as I do with movies. Being impatient, which is human nature and nothing wrong with it, uploading/downloading copyrighted material which is illegal, and then have plans to buy it when it has a legal release. The ONLY thing different is I do it with movies and you do it with music. This is a case of apples and apples. I wanted to point it out so maybe in the future, those who are downloading this music won't be so quick to those who download movies with the same good intentions.

And I have no plans to "rip" into your review. You are entitled to your opinion.
No, it's not. A soundtrack had not been confirmed at the time of the ripping, and it most likely will not be released at all. The movie, however IS available.

In conclusion:
Movie is available for purchase
Soundtrack is not available for purchase. Do you see the difference?
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Plus, no one even posted the "soundtrack." All the songs still feature all the dialog and sound effects. Which can be annoying if you're listening to them say, in your car or on your ipod.... So I wouldn't say it's the same thing, I'd be buying that soundtrack in 2 seconds... :P
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I have Hellboy 2 with coughing and laughter in the background. That isn't available on DVD. Isn't available at all. I've seen bootleg movies sold with background noise. So just because it has background noise doesn't mean it won't make a profit if sold on the black market. In other words, movie companies STILL have a problem with it. 2 years ago at Mega-Con, the talk of the day was a HUGE bust in New York of current movies being sold on DVD that were just in theaters a few months prior. Narnia was one of them. The guy had copies of it filmed in a movie theater, it was good quality, but not great. And Disney was very upset and got the FBI in to shut him down.

TLM2 has a soundtrack, frankly, what I heard of TLM3, it has superior music over TLM2 and I bet money it will get a soundtrack release. Probably as a 2 or 3pk, packaged along with one or both other soundtracks.

Just FYI, next time people want to go attacking others for downloading movies, maybe they should look in the mirror and see downloading music is just as bad. It doesn't matter to Disney at all they haven't released a soundtrack. Illegal is illegal. You do so at your own risk, but don't tell others they are worse than you when you are no better than them.
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Siren wrote:You do so at your own risk, but don't tell others they are worse than you when you are no better than them.
Nobody said that. :roll:
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Vermin Friends wrote:
Siren wrote:You do so at your own risk, but don't tell others they are worse than you when you are no better than them.
Nobody said that. :roll:
Funny that is the only thing you picked out of my whole post to comment on. Facts are facts. What you are doing is the SAME thing I do. But since you would rather keep your own delusions that its okay for you and not everyone else, I see I am only wasting my time since your mind is shut tight.
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nachonaco wrote:Hey, I'm only two days older than Disney Villain! (Yeah, my birthday's today! :D)

I, too, have seen Ariel's Beginning. I watched it early because I know for a fact I'm getting the DVD for my birthday. TLM, being a movie that came out the year I was born, is very special to me. It is also (I believe) the first Disney movie I saw in theaters. I think my parents just took me to the dang theater so the pretty colors would make me fall asleep. :lol:
Haha, that’s really cool. Happ yearly birthday nachonaco. I know how you feel about The Little Mermaid. My mom says it was the first film I ever saw, which I think is kind of cool- I’ve been hooked on Disney since the beginning.


bruno_wbt you’re very welcome.


Siren I’ve stated my opinion and I do not want to continue arguing. What I said in my initial post to you is how I feel, I don’t feel the need to repeat myself. Thank you Vermin Friends for seeing my side of things. I can’t believe I am getting flamed because I wanted to try and do something nice. I do understand where the argument is coming from though. Believe me Disney has no interest in releasing a soundtrack. They did not do it for Cinderella III and they won’t do it for this. The Little Mermaid still has a fully restored soundtrack available for people to purchase. I doubt Disney is going to do some 3-pack for two sequels that were made for a quick buck. Poody, I completely agree. It isn’t a full soundtrack. As I said before if Disney did release a soundtrack we’d all buy it in two seconds regardless.
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i found these icon bases on Live Journal for TLM:AB

they are too cute, I just had to share.

all credit goes to misicka47 @ livejournal.com :)

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Click <a href="http://community.livejournal.com/disney ... 1">here</a> for the icons :)
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I'm almost positive that Disney has no plans on releasing a soundtrack to Ariel's Beginning, let alone Return to the Sea, which isn't even very popular. And if you think they will include it with the upcoming relrelease, you have to remember that no soundtrack was released with the rerelease of Return to Neverland or Dreams Come True.
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PeterPanfan wrote:I'm almost positive that Disney has no plans on releasing a soundtrack to Ariel's Beginning, let alone Return to the Sea, which isn't even very popular. And if you think they will include it with the upcoming relrelease, you have to remember that no soundtrack was released with the rerelease of Return to Neverland or Dreams Come True.
Agreed, but they did release a soundtrack for TLM2. It wasn't very good, though.
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Oh, my mistake. I just assumed they hadn't becuase they didn't with any other sequels.
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daydreamer22010 wrote:i found these icon bases on Live Journal for TLM:AB

they are too cute, I just had to share.

all credit goes to misicka47 @ livejournal.com :)

<img src="http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z61/ ... eaders.png">

Click <a href="http://community.livejournal.com/disney ... 1">here</a> for the icons :)

Thanks. I used one as my avatar. :)
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So I finally got around to buying it and watching it, and I thought it was pretty decent worth viewing again but not more than once or twice every couple weeks unless I was working on some Disney/Little Mermaid releated project.

So here's my random ramblings about it :)

- Animation, for me it's a happy medium there were a lot of flaws, characters off model, unfinished look to the Athena/Triton statue and music box etc. BUT it also had a lot of nice moments as well to make up for said flaws.

- Flounder, it's a shame they screwed him up so much I kinda liked the original Flounder but this one I've learned to tune out because he's plain awful I don't think I have anything good to say about him

- Triton, I did hear Tiggers voice in him which threw me off whenever I did hear it. One thing that irked me througout the film was how....odd he looked in every scene after Athena died. During the daily walk he looked so out of place when compared to the sisters, was he animated solely in CGI? it looked to me like he was just lifted from a Kingdom Hearts clip or something. Very irksome, however I did feel a bit bad for him during the scene where he sat alone at the statue and that's probably the most/only emotion I felt the entire movie.

- Ariel, despite awful off-modelness everytime she entered that Cat Fish Club, Jodi Benson more than made up for it with the voice work. I'd rate her at a decent level, her extended "death" scene was overdone and rather odd considering we'd know she'd survive could have been handled better. I sort of liked the scene where she was in the Crystal Cave type area where the music box was, reminded me of Pocahontas 2 when she sang in front of the waterfall.

- The Sisters, probably my most favorite part of the whole movie was any scene with them in it, especially Arista (loved her the most). Bit of off animation on them here and there, I don't think to as high a degree as Ariel but she was also in more of the movie than them so more opportunities to be off model. Attina always makes me think of the statue of liberty with those spikes in her hair :lol:

- Benjamin, seemed....out of place to me I don't really think I would have missed him at all if he had been cut or replaced with a more menacing sidekick.

-Cat Fish Club band, weren't they the same characters that performed in Under the Sea? Just a bit differently animated and younger(ish). Not much to say about them aside from that

- Marina, well....what can I say, everytime her mouth opened I was reminded of a certain sassy cat that was lost in the wilderness. I didn't care for her much as a villian, she had a motive yes but a rather lame one compared to Jafar, Clayton, Yzma etc. Why settle for taking over someone elses job when you could just be in control? If she was going to ignore Tritons wants and abuse her position to do what she wanted to the kingdom I could perhaps give her more points but a petty rivalry for a motive? Rather meh I'd take the Yodeling Cow Russler over that and I loathe yodeling cowboys :P

- Songs....none of them really stayed with me, didn't care for Marinas at all it was so odd and boring to me. Athenas song was ok, would have been better if we had heard more of it and less background noises like the sisters giggling etc. Shake Senora lacked energy for me, perhaps I was hoping for too much I dunno.

- Story. Not the best ever, Athena could have been handled a lot better, the villains contribution to the story could have been a lot better. Wasn't overly impressed with it, if you cut out a lot of stuff it could have made an ok 2 parter for a t.v show or something.

Hm all in all, despite it's flaws this movie does have it's good points and I liked it. It will probably get more viewings over the next month. If I had to hazard a guess as to where it would fall for me in rankings of all the dtvs I'd say just above the halfway bar, maybe not far from the tops depending on the next viewings, and reviewings of the others.

Also I do agree with Siren, I think that by uploading the songs you are making them available to be downloaded illegally so which would be the lesser of two "evils"? Making it available or downloading it? I do see that you were only trying to do something nice Disney Villian and the thought is appreciated but perhaps if done in a different way :)
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Siren wrote:
Just FYI, next time people want to go attacking others for downloading movies, maybe they should look in the mirror and see downloading music is just as bad. It doesn't matter to Disney at all they haven't released a soundtrack. Illegal is illegal. You do so at your own risk, but don't tell others they are worse than you when you are no better than them.
Of course it's all illegal to Disney, but there's certainly a difference in intention, which is the reason you brought the whole subject up in the first place. It's the same as people who buy bootlegs of TV series that won't be released. It's unfair of Disney not to provide, so if people turn to other alternatives, it's the company's own loss. This is different from a film that is going to come out and the public is going to have the chance to see. You won't be denied the freedom of buying and watching it at your own enjoyment.

And I don't even understand why you brought this up in the first place? I don't think anyone attacked for watching the film through other means. Personally, I didn't even watch the thousands of clips that had been posted before the film's release, but I'm not going to bash those who did.
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