Alice in Wonderland (Live-Action)
I stand corrected, then. I had read a few reviews online of some of the IMAX 3-D sequences for films like Superman Returns and Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix and how the effect was dizzying due to how in-your-face it was. I'll take both of your words for it and check out Alice on IMAX. I probably won't be able to do it opening night, but I'll definitely try for it on my second viewing, especially if a friend of mine (who's both an Alice and Burton fan) will be down for spring break.
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The first (fuzzy) look at the film's logo:
Taken from this image.
It's definitely Burtonesque, which may or may not be a good thing depending on who you ask (I, personally, like it. A classier, more elegant logo wouldn't really fit with the story).
Taken from this image.
It's definitely Burtonesque, which may or may not be a good thing depending on who you ask (I, personally, like it. A classier, more elegant logo wouldn't really fit with the story).
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It looks like another sequel, actually. I think that it's supposed to be a little play on words (or figures or whatever). Remember that the first Step Up sequel was called Step Up 2 the Streets...it's corny advertising/titling to the extreme.ajmrowland wrote:"Step Up 3D", huh? That doesn't make sense.
A new piece of concept art has been released using the old style red/blue 3-D effect (which, thankfully, won't be used for the film itself):
http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/ ... 4c8f79.jpg
Definitely Burtonesque. I'm assuming this is when she first arrives in Wonderland since in the film, she manages to get through the door without the need of a pool of tears. How do I know this? Because I've read the first few pages of the screenplay. I won't say how I got it or who I got it from, but I'd suggest heading over to a certain comprehensive film website's message board. For those curious, here's what happens in the excerpt posted:
The film begins with a flashback of different Wonderland/Looking Glass images. A now mature Alice awakens from these while riding in a carriage with her mother. We learn that Alice's father has recently passed away and that ever since then, she's isolated herself from others. He seemed to be the one who always encouraged Alice's curious and imaginative nature. She and her mother arrive at the estate of the Ascots, who are hosting a big gala event. Alice is in a relationship with Hamish Ascot, though things are noticeably awkward between them. An annoying, gossipy girl named Fiona Chataway reveals to Alice the true nature of this gathering: it's to celebrate Hamish's proposal to Alice, which will take place in front of all the guests later that afternoon. Alice is stunned that everyone present has known about this for quite some time. She goes to her older sister Margaret for advice. Margaret tells Alice that it'd be foolish not to accept the proposal, especially since the family is struggling financially.
Alice wanders about the party and runs into Lady Ascot, who drills Alice about what she'll bring to the relationship. Noticeable traits of the Red Queen are present in her. Alice is barely listening, though, for she keeps getting distracted by a flash of white disappearing and reappearing throughout the grounds. Alice then runs into her Aunt Imogene, a nutcase who's deemed an embarrassment of the family. Like Margaret, Imogene encourages the marriage, noting that Alice is in danger of growing old and alone like herself. Alice muses over this but is rudely interrupted at a shocking sight: Margaret's husband Lowell kissing another woman. Lowell tries to convince Alice to keep it a secret for Margaret's sake.
Before she can process anything, Hamish calls her to pop the question. As they stand in a conspicuous gazebo in front of the entire party, Alice sees the flash of white again. It's the White Rabbit, only this time he actively wants her attention. He taps his foot impatiently before running off again. Alice uses this as an opportunity to avoid answering Hamish's question. She follows the rabbit down a rabbit hole and immediately tumbles. At first she makes a mad scramble of grabbing objects surrounding her to stop her fall. Eventually she just gives up and falls for so long that she can see a night sky at the top of the hole.
Upon reaching the bottom, Alice finds herself in a hallway. Here the scene plays out similarly to what we know (she wishes to get through the small door, shrinks with the "Drink Me" bottle, grows with the cakes). The difference here, though, is that she has a hidden audience. As she goes through the expected motions, audible voices emerge from the door, complaining out loud that this can't be the right Alice for she would've recognized this scenario already. The White Rabbit tells them to be patient and see if she passes this test. Alice manages to shrink herself down while opening the door, without the aid of her infamous pool of tears. It should be noted that the presentation of the size change is different. When Alice's size changes, her clothes don't. While that might seem kind of shocking at first for a family film, the script gets around this by making another change: Alice only shrinks down to three feet and grows up to seven feet.
As she steps through the door at three feet high, she meets the White Rabbit, the Tweedles, the Dormouse, the Dodo, and several other minor animals. After a maddening exchange with these characters, Alice finally manages to find out what's going on. Underland (the real name of this land; no explanation yet is given as why it's not Wonderland) has a special form of calendar called an Oraculum. This calendar features a different name for every single day (there's no seven-day rotation; every day is unique), and each day features a moving illustration of a major occurence. The characters show Alice the image from an upcoming day. It features the fearsome Jabberwocky creature, and a blonde woman in Arthurian armor is fighting it. Alice sees that this woman is herself. Alice argues that they have the wrong Alice and that this has to be a dream (she still doesn't recognize anyone or her surroundings). The excerpt ends with her making vain attempts to wake herself up.
At first I was suspicious of the leak, but not only does everything in there fit perfectly with the news that's been revealed, but the leak isn't some Word document: it's scans of an actual, dated screenplay. Overall, I really like this opening (which in movie time probably amounts to about 15 minutes). Linda Woolverton has perfectly captured Alice's personality, and while it's too early to tell, she does a good job with Wonderland's whimsy and banter.
The only thing I wasn't too hot about was how the size changes are presented. I like the idea of the food affecting Alice and not her clothes. That said, I don't like how they minimalized the effect. Three feet and seven feet are not radical enough changes in a place like Wonderland. So, I'm assuming, gone are the images of characters not even reaching Alice's knees or mushrooms towering over her.
Since this is only labeled as a first draft, I'm expecting the opening to differ from what's on the page. It seems to already have since those images of Alice on the ship by the docks have no place here. For now, though, I'm looking forward to how this both continues and mirrors the previous adventures we're so familiar with.
http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/ ... 4c8f79.jpg
Definitely Burtonesque. I'm assuming this is when she first arrives in Wonderland since in the film, she manages to get through the door without the need of a pool of tears. How do I know this? Because I've read the first few pages of the screenplay. I won't say how I got it or who I got it from, but I'd suggest heading over to a certain comprehensive film website's message board. For those curious, here's what happens in the excerpt posted:
The film begins with a flashback of different Wonderland/Looking Glass images. A now mature Alice awakens from these while riding in a carriage with her mother. We learn that Alice's father has recently passed away and that ever since then, she's isolated herself from others. He seemed to be the one who always encouraged Alice's curious and imaginative nature. She and her mother arrive at the estate of the Ascots, who are hosting a big gala event. Alice is in a relationship with Hamish Ascot, though things are noticeably awkward between them. An annoying, gossipy girl named Fiona Chataway reveals to Alice the true nature of this gathering: it's to celebrate Hamish's proposal to Alice, which will take place in front of all the guests later that afternoon. Alice is stunned that everyone present has known about this for quite some time. She goes to her older sister Margaret for advice. Margaret tells Alice that it'd be foolish not to accept the proposal, especially since the family is struggling financially.
Alice wanders about the party and runs into Lady Ascot, who drills Alice about what she'll bring to the relationship. Noticeable traits of the Red Queen are present in her. Alice is barely listening, though, for she keeps getting distracted by a flash of white disappearing and reappearing throughout the grounds. Alice then runs into her Aunt Imogene, a nutcase who's deemed an embarrassment of the family. Like Margaret, Imogene encourages the marriage, noting that Alice is in danger of growing old and alone like herself. Alice muses over this but is rudely interrupted at a shocking sight: Margaret's husband Lowell kissing another woman. Lowell tries to convince Alice to keep it a secret for Margaret's sake.
Before she can process anything, Hamish calls her to pop the question. As they stand in a conspicuous gazebo in front of the entire party, Alice sees the flash of white again. It's the White Rabbit, only this time he actively wants her attention. He taps his foot impatiently before running off again. Alice uses this as an opportunity to avoid answering Hamish's question. She follows the rabbit down a rabbit hole and immediately tumbles. At first she makes a mad scramble of grabbing objects surrounding her to stop her fall. Eventually she just gives up and falls for so long that she can see a night sky at the top of the hole.
Upon reaching the bottom, Alice finds herself in a hallway. Here the scene plays out similarly to what we know (she wishes to get through the small door, shrinks with the "Drink Me" bottle, grows with the cakes). The difference here, though, is that she has a hidden audience. As she goes through the expected motions, audible voices emerge from the door, complaining out loud that this can't be the right Alice for she would've recognized this scenario already. The White Rabbit tells them to be patient and see if she passes this test. Alice manages to shrink herself down while opening the door, without the aid of her infamous pool of tears. It should be noted that the presentation of the size change is different. When Alice's size changes, her clothes don't. While that might seem kind of shocking at first for a family film, the script gets around this by making another change: Alice only shrinks down to three feet and grows up to seven feet.
As she steps through the door at three feet high, she meets the White Rabbit, the Tweedles, the Dormouse, the Dodo, and several other minor animals. After a maddening exchange with these characters, Alice finally manages to find out what's going on. Underland (the real name of this land; no explanation yet is given as why it's not Wonderland) has a special form of calendar called an Oraculum. This calendar features a different name for every single day (there's no seven-day rotation; every day is unique), and each day features a moving illustration of a major occurence. The characters show Alice the image from an upcoming day. It features the fearsome Jabberwocky creature, and a blonde woman in Arthurian armor is fighting it. Alice sees that this woman is herself. Alice argues that they have the wrong Alice and that this has to be a dream (she still doesn't recognize anyone or her surroundings). The excerpt ends with her making vain attempts to wake herself up.
At first I was suspicious of the leak, but not only does everything in there fit perfectly with the news that's been revealed, but the leak isn't some Word document: it's scans of an actual, dated screenplay. Overall, I really like this opening (which in movie time probably amounts to about 15 minutes). Linda Woolverton has perfectly captured Alice's personality, and while it's too early to tell, she does a good job with Wonderland's whimsy and banter.
The only thing I wasn't too hot about was how the size changes are presented. I like the idea of the food affecting Alice and not her clothes. That said, I don't like how they minimalized the effect. Three feet and seven feet are not radical enough changes in a place like Wonderland. So, I'm assuming, gone are the images of characters not even reaching Alice's knees or mushrooms towering over her.
Since this is only labeled as a first draft, I'm expecting the opening to differ from what's on the page. It seems to already have since those images of Alice on the ship by the docks have no place here. For now, though, I'm looking forward to how this both continues and mirrors the previous adventures we're so familiar with.
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Yeah, I got that part. I just don't see how it would do for 3D. Camera angles and movements may help, but it's really just street dancing.Wonderlicious wrote:It looks like another sequel, actually. I think that it's supposed to be a little play on words (or figures or whatever). Remember that the first Step Up sequel was called Step Up 2 the Streets...it's corny advertising/titling to the extreme.ajmrowland wrote:"Step Up 3D", huh? That doesn't make sense.
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In the UK there is a monthly magazine called Total Film in the current newsstand issue there is a 3D ( complete with red and blue glasses !! ) special feature with two 3D images from Tim Burton's Alice! I for one can't wait to see it on the big screen!
If you You Tube Alice In Wonderland you'll see clips from the early black and white 1933 Alice In Wonderland with Cary Grant , Jackie Oakie and Charlotte Henry as Alice herself. The sound quality is AWFUL but I love the character make ups from this wacky 30's version!
If you You Tube Alice In Wonderland you'll see clips from the early black and white 1933 Alice In Wonderland with Cary Grant , Jackie Oakie and Charlotte Henry as Alice herself. The sound quality is AWFUL but I love the character make ups from this wacky 30's version!
To Make Doubly Sure Bring Back Her Heart In This!!
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Wonderland Concept Art!!
Just follow the link, down the rabbit hole...
http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/05/20/mor ... onderland/
Just follow the link, down the rabbit hole...
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The entire first draft of the script has now made its way online. I'm still in the process of tracking down a copy for myself without having to exchange something as outrageous as another screenplay for an unreleased film.
Thankfully, someone on that in-depth film site you may have heard of has posted a very detailed synopsis of the story (highlight to read):
First off, I like how classic the story structure is. I know we've seen dozens of stories that sound similar to this new one, but I think that's sort of the point. Alice's imagination would take the classic hero's journey arc and format it to reflect her own life. Besides, having a familiar set-up will heighten the outlandish, surreal details even more.
I'm not sure how I feel about Alice turning into a crazed warrior, though. I realize this is supposed to be a journey for her, but I'm hoping it's a natural progression and she just doesn't suddenly turn into He-Woman in one scene.
I was worried about the supposed romance between Alice and the Hatter, but luckily, this seems like a subtle flirtation (ala Susan and Caspian in Narnia) rather than a lavish love saga. It also explains why Burton cast a woman instead of a little girl for this. I'm still kind of at a loss as to how Alice can fall for someone so nutty, though. The person who posted the script says the Hatter as written is actually quite normal, but people who've witnessed the filming have said that Johnny makes him bizarre. So obviously things have changed since this draft. The same seems to apply to the White Queen, whom people are saying comes across as normal, and yet Anne Hathaway herself describes the character as psycho. It's going to be very interesting comparing this screenplay to the final product/
I really hope we see more Wonderland/Looking Glass characters as at least cameos. This storyline only utilizes a handful (understandable since this is a more straightforward story).
It's still not made clear how the playing cards and chess pieces fit into all this. As of right now, The Red Queen doesn't sound like a mixture of the Queen of Hearts and the Red Queen - she sounds flat-out like the QoH, only with a different name. So I'm once again going to assume that the Red Queen's army is made up of cards while the White Queen's is made up of chess pieces.
Oh, and it looks like those early pictures of Alice on the ship that we all thought was from opening is actually the ending. Very nice and very poignant.
So as of right now, I think we've got a good spring board for Burton and company to work off of. I really hope someone who attends the D23 Expo somehow manages to film the sneak peek, especially since Disney's press release already specifies that you must carry your personal items everywhere with you since there are no lockers. Therefore, it should be all too easy to sneak in a camera inside of a bag.
Thankfully, someone on that in-depth film site you may have heard of has posted a very detailed synopsis of the story (highlight to read):
Here are my thoughts on this story breakdown, also hidden in white for those who don't want to be spoiled:At a garden party, Hamish proposes to Alice. Scared of the proposal, she rushes away and falls down the rabbit hole. She sees a tiny door and drinks a potion which makes her shrink. She goes through the door and ends up ends up in "Underland," the real name for Wonderland.
Once she's in Underland, it's revealed that she was brought there by the White Rabbit because of a scroll which predicted that she would be the one to slay the Red Queen's champion beast, the Jabberwocky. The red queen is a hateful ruler who uses animals as slaves/servants and takes off the heads of anyone who dares to make her angry. Alice doesn't believe she could ever slay the Jabberwocky and wants to go home. Meanwhile, the Red Queen gets news of Alice's arrival and sends a bloodhound and the Knave of Hearts to find her and behead her.
As Alice talks with the Dormouse, a creature of the Red Queen's (called Bandersnatch) swoops in and wounds Alice, cutting her arm badly. Dormouse manages to pluck out the Bandersnatch's eye and keep it as a souvenir. Alice gets away and encounters the Cheshire Cat, who has an odd talent of being able to disappear and re-appear in different places with his head separate from his body. The Cheshire Cat tells Alice that the Hare and the Mad Hatter can help her. He takes her to see them and they interrupt the tea party.
At the tea party, the bloodhound and the Knave of Hearts show up sniffing around for Alice. The Mad Hatter quickly forces Alice to drink a potion, shrinking her to three inches tall. He stuffs her into a teapot before the Knave can see her. The bloodhound catches a new scent and rushes off with the Knave following behind.
The Mad Hatter tells Alice about the backstory of the Red Queen and the White Queen. There was a huge massacre and the Red Queen took all ruling power, banishing her sister (the White Queen) to live in another land. The Hatter is very bitter about this and swears that he will do everything in his power to bring down the Red Queen. He says that the only way to bring down the Red Queen is for Alice to slay her beast, the Jabberwocky. However, Alice isn't sure that she's capable of slaying a creature of that magnitude. The Hatter tells Alice to go see Absolem, the caterpillar. He's wise and might have the answers she needs.
Alice goes looking for the caterpillar and ends up in a field of giant mushrooms. It's there that she encounters Absolem, the hookah-smoking caterpillar. Absolem reminds Alice that she has been here before, she just doesn't remember it. Suddenly, all the memories come flooding back to her. Alice wants to know how she can get home and Absolem tells her that she can only leave by doing what she's supposed to do -- slay the Jabberwocky.
Alice leaves the mushroom forest just in time to spy the Knave of Hearts dragging the Mad Hatter to the Red Queen's castle. They plan to imprison him and torture him until he confesses Alice's whereabouts.
Alice sneaks into the Red Queen's courtyard where everyone plays croquet. Alice is horrified to see that the croquet ball is actually a hedgehog that's been rolled up and tied by its feet. The mallet is a flamingo, also tied up. Alice encounters the White Rabbit, who gives her a bite of cake and makes her grow large again. The Red Queen sees Alice, but doesn't recognize her now that she's older. She's impressed by Alice's large head and decides to make her the new "favorite."
In the castle, Alice finds herself in an uncomfortable situation when the Knave of Hearts tries to kiss her. The kiss is seen by Lady Long Ears, who relays the information to the Red Queen. Clearly, the Red Queen is jealous (it appears she's in love with the Knave) and immediately demands "off with her head." Alice is taken to the court room where she reveals that all of the Red Queen's courtiers are phonies who wear fake prosthetics (fake noses, chins, ears, etc.) to impress the queen. This starts a bit of an uproar and Alice is able to sneak out without being noticed.
Alice sneaks down to the dungeon and tries to rescue the Hatter, but she fails in her effort. The Hatter tells Alice that she can find the sword to slay the Jabberwocky by following the White Rabbit. He touches her cheek and they have a tender moment before Alice leaves. Alice is nervous as the White Rabbit leads her to the stable holding the Bandersnatch -- the same beast that cut her arm earlier in the script. She realizes that the beast is guarding the sword. Alice rushes away to find the Dormouse, who still has the Bandersnatch's eye as a souvenir. Dormouse gives it to Alice and then Alice gives it to the Bandersnatch as a peace offering. The beast is thankful and licks Alice's wound clean, taking out all the infection. Alice grabs the key from around the beast's neck and uses it to unlock the chest which holds the sword.
Meanwhile, the Red Queen decides to behead the Mad Hatter. He's taken to the beheading platform, but just before the blade comes down, his head disappears. It is revealed that the Mad Hatter had actually escaped and it was the Cheshire Cat wearing his hat who was taken to the gallows. Clever trick. The Mad Hatter appears and urges all the servants to stand and battle the Red Queen. The crowd of angry servants cheer wildly. The queen's face flushes red with crimson anger and she releases a giant bird to kill her disobeying servants.
Meanwhile, Alice goes to see the White Queen, who tells her that she can only slay the Jabberwocky if she truly believes it's possible. Alice isn't sure if she can really do it. Suddenly, the Mad Hatter arrives with all the others (the Dormouse and the White Rabbit, etc.) to celebrate Alice as their champion. Alice is relieved to see the Hatter alive and they share an emotional reunion. However, she's nervous about battling the Jabberwocky and rushes away into a garden...
Once in the garden, Alice encounters the caterpillar. She is curious about why he's hanging upside down, and he tells her that he's "transforming." Alice is confused and the caterpillar tells her that perhaps they will meet again in another life. He disappears and Alice goes back to the White Queen.
The Red Queen arrives and the stage is set for battle. The White Queen has her warrior -- Alice. The Red Queen calls her warrior -- the Jabberwocky. At first, Alice is terrified by the size of the beast and thinks it's impossible for her to kill him, but then she recalls a time when her her dad told her that he "believes as many as six impossible things before breakfast." This gives her the confidence she needs to do battle, and she uses the sword to cut out the Jabberwocky's tongue and then chop off its head, killing it instantly. In this scene, Alice is described as having blood lust and she even cries out "OFF WITH YOUR HEAD!" as she swings the sword.
Everyone cheers. The Red Queen loses her crown and the White Queen banishes her to live in a foreign land forever. The Knave of Hearts is banished to live there as well, but he begs to be killed because he doesn't want to live with the Red Queen.
The White Queen puts a drop of the Jabberwocky's blood into a vial and hands it to Alice. Reluctant, Alice realizes that drinking the blood is her only way home. The Mad Hatter begs her not to drink it; he doesn't want her to leave. Everyone wants her to stay. The Hatter abruptly kisses Alice and whispers into her ear, but she drinks the vial of blood and bids farewell anyway.
Suddenly, Alice blacks out and finds herself at the top of the rabbit hole again. She's confused, dirty, and seems to have no memory of what just happened. She goes back to the garden party where Hamish is waiting for an answer to his marriage proposal. Alice tells him that she cannot marry him because he's not the right man for her. The script closes with Alice standing by the shore, watching a ship sail away on its maiden voyage. As she stares into the distance, a beautiful monarch butterfly lands on Alice's shoulder and she says, "Hello, Absolem" with a knowing smile on her face. The caterpillar has transformed.
THE END.
First off, I like how classic the story structure is. I know we've seen dozens of stories that sound similar to this new one, but I think that's sort of the point. Alice's imagination would take the classic hero's journey arc and format it to reflect her own life. Besides, having a familiar set-up will heighten the outlandish, surreal details even more.
I'm not sure how I feel about Alice turning into a crazed warrior, though. I realize this is supposed to be a journey for her, but I'm hoping it's a natural progression and she just doesn't suddenly turn into He-Woman in one scene.
I was worried about the supposed romance between Alice and the Hatter, but luckily, this seems like a subtle flirtation (ala Susan and Caspian in Narnia) rather than a lavish love saga. It also explains why Burton cast a woman instead of a little girl for this. I'm still kind of at a loss as to how Alice can fall for someone so nutty, though. The person who posted the script says the Hatter as written is actually quite normal, but people who've witnessed the filming have said that Johnny makes him bizarre. So obviously things have changed since this draft. The same seems to apply to the White Queen, whom people are saying comes across as normal, and yet Anne Hathaway herself describes the character as psycho. It's going to be very interesting comparing this screenplay to the final product/
I really hope we see more Wonderland/Looking Glass characters as at least cameos. This storyline only utilizes a handful (understandable since this is a more straightforward story).
It's still not made clear how the playing cards and chess pieces fit into all this. As of right now, The Red Queen doesn't sound like a mixture of the Queen of Hearts and the Red Queen - she sounds flat-out like the QoH, only with a different name. So I'm once again going to assume that the Red Queen's army is made up of cards while the White Queen's is made up of chess pieces.
Oh, and it looks like those early pictures of Alice on the ship that we all thought was from opening is actually the ending. Very nice and very poignant.
So as of right now, I think we've got a good spring board for Burton and company to work off of. I really hope someone who attends the D23 Expo somehow manages to film the sneak peek, especially since Disney's press release already specifies that you must carry your personal items everywhere with you since there are no lockers. Therefore, it should be all too easy to sneak in a camera inside of a bag.
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