Cinderella III: A Twist in Time DVD Press Release/Discussion

[Disney Live On]

I loved that review! But now that I have read it and seen the screencaps on the other thread I CAN'T WAIT FOR THIS RELEASE ANYMORE! I am dying here without this movie!!! I never knew 2 weeks could feel so long!!! I'm sure your all feeling the same reaction to all this Cinderella III material thats becoming available on this forum. HOW MUCH LONGER MUST WE WAIT!

God this movie is going to ROCK!
So excited.

[Aladdin from Agrabah]

It's pretty neat to know that a sequel is recommended. I mean I would buy it anyway but now I have 1 more reason to buy it. I just CAN'T wait!!!!

[Disney Duster]

I didn't read the review, Aaron, but I will after I've watched the movie. Thank you for giving it such a positive light, though!

Anyway, for all those who can't get enough sneak peeks at this sequel, on Disney Channel, there are two things related to Cinderella III: A Twist In Time you should look for:

Disney's Really Short Report: Take a look at "top stories" from Cinderella III: A Twist In Time, and get a brief peek at the bonus features. Don't watch it if you don't want to see Cinderella's dress transformations until you can see the whole film.

"I Still Believe" Music Video: Hayden Panettiere sings the song, "I Still Believe" from Cinderella III: A Twist In Time. Watch her as she brings color to a black-and-white world between clips from the movie.

These can only be seen on Disney Channel. They come on at unpredictable times.

[kurtadisneyite]

Yes, I have 2 original CINDERELLA cels, and two from SLEEPING BEAUTY. All are of the girls; the Cindies are one of her scrubbing the floor scolding Lucifer, the other Cindy being shooed into the coach by the Godmother.

The cels were bought 20 years ago from reputable animation dealers, and one of the Cindys' had a tiny paint defect that was visible in the original movie (not the restored version).

Thanks, AwallaceUNC, for the C-III review. It's a pity Disney corporate never lets their overseas studios grow to full potential (Paris, Vancouver, Japan and now Australia are gone).

One comment about C-III review; Cindy III's heroine apperance was described as somewhat variable. That's right in line with the original movie, which (per the Plat disk's documentaries) had two distinct Cindy heroine styles;
1. Eric Larson "homespun" approach (beginning of movie through kitchen, some of the ball stuff). Note Cindy has large eyes and small waist here.
2. Marc Davis "sophisicated" approach (scenes with the Godmother (Milt Kahl, animator), 1st bedroom confrontation with stepmother). Smaller eyes, more normal waistline.

This is typical for any hand drawn feature. Even Sleeping Beauty, one of the most fussed over features Disney ever made, has character variations throughout its length.

[TheSequelOfDisney]

Yes, I have 2 original CINDERELLA cels, and two from SLEEPING BEAUTY.

Are you sure they aren't reproductions? I don't think that Disney would go out and willingly give you original cels from Cindy and SB. Just a thought.

[Escapay]

Yes, I have 2 original CINDERELLA cels, and two from SLEEPING BEAUTY.

Are you sure they aren't reproductions? I don't think that Disney would go out and willingly give you original cels from Cindy and SB. Just a thought.

Back in the good ole days at Disneyland, there used to be an art shop that would sell old pencil sketches and animated cels from the movies for a quarter. Obviously since then they've risen in price!

Escapay

[AwallaceUNC]

Thanks a lot for the kind words, everyone. I'm happy to see all the interest in this movie.

One comment about C-III review; Cindy III's heroine apperance was described as somewhat variable. That's right in line with the original movie, which (per the Plat disk's documentaries) had two distinct Cindy heroine styles;
1. Eric Larson "homespun" approach (beginning of movie through kitchen, some of the ball stuff). Note Cindy has large eyes and small waist here.
2. Marc Davis "sophisicated" approach (scenes with the Godmother (Milt Kahl, animator), 1st bedroom confrontation with stepmother). Smaller eyes, more normal waistline.

This is typical for any hand drawn feature. Even Sleeping Beauty, one of the most fussed over features Disney ever made, has character variations throughout its length.

That's true, but this is not the same kind of variation that you find in <i>Cinderella III</i>. The changes I'm referring to are much more drastic. In some frames, she appears wildy off-model, as if another character entirely, or some cheap knock-off Cinderella that you would find in a Toys 'R' Us bargain bin. Of course, those are less frequent and less noticeable than the more common, roughly-on-model drawings. Still, the problem in C3 isn't merely a case of different approaches or an effort to match her various looks in the original.

-Aaron

[kurtadisneyite]

The girl's variation's interesting in that supposedly (told by a former coworker of another company I worked for - not Disney - who had a sister as the lead animator for Lady Tremaine), Cindy III had the benefit of completely new model sheets (the archives were woefully lacking) and a fair bit of live action reference.

Does Lady Tremaine vary a lot as well? She apparently didn't get as much live action reference as her animators wanted more freedom with her acting and expressions.

Anyway, there are many reasons as to why drawings go off model. Sometimes a whole bunch of studios work on a single show (the Aladdin episode I worked on had drawings from 13 studios in Japan!). Sometimes it takes animators a while to "get in the groove" of a particular character, and "whoever" they start drawing will look different from "who" they draw at the end of production.

Perhaps if somebody can post the two most divergent versions of Cindy III's heroine, we can see what is going on.

[supertalies]

hy guys,
i have found a dutch site with a few new pics
they are not so special but it still is very cool
this is the site
http://www.movie2movie.nl/index.php?item=39052

[Aladdin from Agrabah]

Thanks, supertalies!
Oh, they are special! The special about them is that I can save them, at last! And I love the new one with Cinderella as a bride- in her old wedding outfit- along with Lady Tremain.

[Atlantica]

Wow, very cool new pics there! The review was wonderful AwallaceUNC. Thank you for being so honest in the review; not judging it as yet another DTV, but as a Disney movie.

Wow,
kurtadisneyite -- -- -- do you think that she was called 'Lady Tremaine because of you? That would be amazing!

Oh my word; this is one of the best topics on UD right now!

[Atlantica]

POSSIBLE SPOILERS AHEAD

Ok, a thought just struck me. When does everyone know that they have gone back in time? As far as Cinderella is concerned, she danced with the Prince, fell in love, the Duke came with the slipper, but it fit Anastasia, not her. She does not understand this, but knows the Prince will recognise her. The mice see the Stepmother with the wand, and cast a spell on the Prince, making him forget her. She presumably gets the wand, and releasses him from the spell, THEN they get married, just like the original movie. I really can't see how Tremaine convinces her to go in the pumpkin. Then, at the end of the movie, is Time put right? they get all the memories from the past year back? Or what?

Sorry for the long essay / plot thing, but this has been really bugging me!

[Disney Duster]

I just wanted to pop in to say supertalies, excellent find! And like was already said, they really are special! In fact, I'm more excited now, because I'm wondering how Cinderella could be in that wedding gown when Anastasia was going to marry the Prince! I can't wait! Thank you!

Atlanticaunderthesea, you may have already known this, but in Cinderella, an announcer introduces "Drizella and Anastasia Tremaine" as the "daughters of Lady Tremaine." But maybe you were just saying that her name only became well-known (instead of known for the first time) because of kurtadisneyite. I'm sorry if that's what you meant, I just wanted people to know that really is her name... Oh, and thanks for the spoiler warning. Saved yet again.

kurtadisneyite, I know I keep asking...but do you know at all why the stepmother's dress is purple instead of red, and Drizella's dress is green instead of yellow? On the cover of the movie, they're the normal colors, but in the movie they've changed.

[MagicMirror]

Yes, I have 2 original CINDERELLA cels, and two from SLEEPING BEAUTY.

I've only just started collecting animation art - and this is a hell of a time for me to start! So far I've got a production cell of Marvin Martian from the original 'Duck Dodgers and the 24th and 1/2 Century' (signed by Chuck Jones) and a production drawing of Prince Charming from the original 'Cinderella'. I'd really like to get something from the beautiful 'Sleeping Beauty', but they are understandably rather expensive.

I think she is called 'Lady Tremaine' in the film, if only in passing. The chap at the Royal Ball announces the ugly sisters as the 'daughters of Lady Tremaine'.

On a side topic, I love the face the announcer makes at the ball when he says 'Dubois'.

[supertalies]

POSSIBLE SPOILERS AHEAD

Ok, a thought just struck me. When does everyone know that they have gone back in time? As far as Cinderella is concerned, she danced with the Prince, fell in love, the Duke came with the slipper, but it fit Anastasia, not her. She does not understand this, but knows the Prince will recognise her. The mice see the Stepmother with the wand, and cast a spell on the Prince, making him forget her. She presumably gets the wand, and releasses him from the spell, THEN they get married, just like the original movie. I really can't see how Tremaine convinces her to go in the pumpkin. Then, at the end of the movie, is Time put right? they get all the memories from the past year back? Or what?

Sorry for the long essay / plot thing, but this has been really bugging me!

SPOILERS...

i haven't seen the movie but i think she will not remember the past year
she was in the pumpkin because anastasia was turned into cinderella
so she can marry the prince. but anastasia don't want to marry the prince as cinderella and says she don't want to.
probably because she liked the king (see one of the special pics i posted)

[kurtadisneyite]

My reading the script for Cindy 1 in the Disney Archives years and years ago was when I actually saw how Lady Tremaine's name is spelled. Disney Duster described how it's used in the first film.

As for film colors, that's entirely under the control of Disney and its contractors (in Cin Plat's case, Lowry Digital). Ze Flick is what it is and I have no opinion wrt color choices.

Wrt color:

Traditional ink/paint was always a problem to control. Disney had their own paint lab and mills, and had extensive swatches not only showing colors, but how colors would look after Technicolor dye-transfer processing. Cel acetate opacity also influenced color. A lot of Cindy 1's color shifting due to cel level transfer went away with the restoration.

I __can__ say computer-painted color should be consistent as long as the color timers don't run amok within any given sequence. There are usually "pallet sets" for a given set of conditions (day, night, evening, etc.).

[Atlantica]

HERE BE SPOLIERS:

But, supertalies, does she realise all that has happened , i.e. time twisting at the end? And do they go back in time again at the end? or do they start the year all over agin? And if they do, where does Cindy 2 take place?

Cindy 1: marriage at the end, off to honeymoon

Cindy 2: Come back from honeymoon, various stories happen, cindy crowned princess, Anastasia fancies baker.

Cindy 3: one year anniversary, stepsisters and mother are back at their old house, and then turning back time etc happens.

Is that correct? I've got myself quite confused!

[tsom]

After reading the review, I am more anxious for the film. I'm really impressed with all the good reputation this sequel is getting. I can't wait till it comes out.

kurtadisneyite, you are lucky to have read the screenplay. I wish I could get my hands on it, then it would probably answer a lot of the questions I have about the movie.

[Joshrzmeup]

Can someone find a link to the music video of Hayden's from the movie, called "I Still Believe"? I saw part of it on Disney channel, but had a hard time hearing a thing!

[kurtadisneyite]

I have not seen any scripts for Cindy III, but had friends who worked on the books and learned about its story there.

As for how the 3 flicks relate to each other: apparently Cindy II was originally planned as a TV series, but for various reasons Disney decided to write a binder sequence and package it and the produced episodes into a complete package.
C-III, and the first episode of C II seem to be sequels to C-1, if different in approach.
For what it's worth, possible order of the Cins made so far (and disregarding variations in animation production, style, etc.) would be:

C-I
Episode 1 of C-II
C-III
Episodes 2 and 3 of C-II