Encanto

[Farerb]

Jared Bush (sort of) confirmed that a jaguar is going to be an animal sidekick:
https://twitter.com/thejaredbush/status ... 00001?s=19

[Farerb]

Disney also trademarked the names "Parce" and "Chispi".

[D82]

"Chispi" sounds like it could be a Spanish name for a pet. I know several dogs here called Chispa (spark). Chispi could be an affectionate way of calling a pet name with that name. And I've looked "Parce" up and apparently it means "friend" in Colombia, so these names have to be for this movie.

[Sotiris]

"Chispi" sounds like it could be a Spanish name for a pet. I know several dogs here called Chispa (spark). Chispi could be an affectionate way of calling a pet name with that name. And I've looked "Parce" up and apparently it means "friend" in Colombia, so these names have to be for this movie.

I think they're probably pets/sidekicks too. It occurred to me that they might be the superhero aliases of some of Mirabel's relatives, but that's unlikely.

[D82]

The titles for two new books about the movie have been revealed on Amazon:

Disney Encanto: The Magical Family Madrigal
Disney Encanto: Welcome to Casita!

I think they're probably pets/sidekicks too. It occurred to me that they might be the superhero aliases of some of Mirabel's relatives, but that's unlikely.

Who knows, but are they going to be superheroes or is it going to be more like fantasy?

[Sotiris]

Who knows, but are they going to be superheroes or is it going to be more like fantasy?

It will be more like fantasy, but maybe they will have codenames based on their powers.

[unprincess]

casita="little house" in spanish

[D82]

It will be more like fantasy, but maybe they will have codenames based on their powers.

OK. Yes, I guess it's possible they could still have codenames.

casita="little house" in spanish

Yes, exactly. Thanks for translating it. I didn't think of doing it when I posted the book titles. I guess the title refers to the Madrigals' house. That reminds me that I read a rumor some time ago that said that the house will speak in the movie. I didn't post it because they didn't provide any source, but in the synopsis it says it's a magical house, so who knows, maybe it's true.

[DisneyFan09]

Jared Bush (sort of) confirmed that a jaguar is going to be an animal sidekick:
https://twitter.com/thejaredbush/status ... 00001?s=19

A Jaguar as an animal sidekick? Interesting. Wonder how it will look like. If it`s going to be a Sabor look-a-like.

[unprincess]

probably like the jaquins from Elena of Avalor but without wings...

Yes, exactly. Thanks for translating it.

no problem, Im from a Spanish speaking household so I'll prob do more translating (if someone else doesn't beat me to it first as Im not around here as often as others.)

[D82]

no problem, Im from a Spanish speaking household so I'll prob do more translating (if someone else doesn't beat me to it first as Im not around here as often as others.)

Oh, I didn't know that! It's great to know there are more people here who speak Spanish!

[D82]

Just a small update. More products listed on Amazon. I'm not sure if they're legit or not.

Disney Encanto Antonio's Animal Swing Small Doll Playset
Disney Encanto Julieta's Kitchen Small Doll Playset
Disney Encanto Mirabel Dress Outfit Fashion
Disney Encanto Dress Outfit Fashion Isabela Dress Outfit Fashion

[D82]

Co-director Charise Castro Smith and producer Yvett Merino will take part in the first Animation Day of the Los Angeles Latino International Film Festival on June 4. Maybe we'll get our first look at the film or some new details then.

On Friday, June 4, the full day of fun begins! Virtual coffee chats, or cafecitos, will spotlight professionals from studios that include Warner Bros. Animation, Cartoon Network Studios, Walt Disney Animation Studios, Disney Television Animation, Netflix and Nickelodeon Animation Studio, capturing the scope and variety of perspectives in the animation industry.

Among the highly anticipated cafecitos is a discussion with some of the team behind Sony Pictures Animation’s The Mitchells vs. The Machines, which is out now on Netflix, including producer Phil Lord, production designer Lindsey Olivares, and head of story Guillermo Martinez. Charise Castro Smith, screenwriter and co-director on Disney’s forthcoming feature Encanto will hold a cafecito conversation with the film’s producer Yvett Merino.

Source: https://www.animationmagazine.net/event ... -for-2021/

[Jules]

^^ I hope so!

I haven't yet caught up with either Frozen II or Raya and the Last Dragon, but I am keen to learn more about and get a glimpse at more footage from the upcoming Encanto.

Between you and me, I hope that after this film WDAS takes a ... break from princesses or princess-oriented films. They're making too many at one go. I'm weary.

Yes, we need a few male-led, macho, testosterone-fueled movies from WDAS to shake things up.

Why do I get a feeling that if I posted that on Twitter I'd receive death threats? lol

[D82]

^ I also hope we get some male-led films after Encanto. But we've had several films in a row with male protagonists in the past, so personally, I don't mind getting the opposite now, as long as the films are different enough from each other. And I think these last three have been. Raya and the Last Dragon is not a typical Princess movie, so it's quite different from Frozen II, and Encanto's lead character is going to be a girl and probably won't have anything to do with royalty despite her possible inclusion in the Disney Princess franchise. Plus, the film will be about the whole family and not just about her.

However, what I would really like to get in the future is a fairy tale movie with a male lead or with a child or an animal as protagonist. Thanks to Disney, people think there's only one type of fairy tale and I would like them to explore other possibilities. I still haven't forgotten them for turning The Snow Queen into a typical Disney princess film, when the original story doesn't have any of those elements.

[Jules]

^ I also hope we get some male-led films after Encanto. But we've had several films in a row with male protagonists in the past, so personally, I don't mind getting the opposite now, as long as the films are different enough from each other.

I think it's not so much that I mind personally, but more that I'm concerned that WDAS is increasingly perceived as making girly films and Pixar boy's films. I do not actually believe that at their core either studio is particularly inclined towards any of those trends - it's probably coincidence more than anything else. But I do get annoyed that for many people, WDAS = princess films. I love the princess musicals myself, but WDAS has made so many other types of films, yet most don't seem to remember that diversity in the canon.

Lately I've also been wondering whether the string of female-led films from WDAS is a result of pressure to increase female representation in their movies. If so, I'm sure it's well-intentioned, but they need to balance things out as it will get tiring in the long run, and it will feel artificial - negating any positive effects it is intended to have. This is the same argument I would use for all of Hollywood's "woke" decisions lately. Continuously casting black actors or others of racial minorities in traditionally white roles, or gender-swapping characters is futile if the decision is fueled solely for keeping up appearances of onscreen diversity, having people clap and praising you for your actions, potentially avoiding boycotts, etc. It feels entirely artificial and insincere, and motivated only by the need to project an image of sanctity and righteousness.

Conversely, when messages of diversity or female empowerment are integrated organically into a movie, they work as intended. I think I can think of no better example than Zootopia. I think that movie could have easily turned out to be politically correct crap, with a message that, while true, is obviously included so that the film-makers and the studio can receive pats on the back for their progressiveness. But not Zootopia. It is a message movie in which the message is communicated with such sincerity that you can never mistake it for studio bs. I have absolutely no doubt that both Jared Bush and Phil Johnston mean every word in the film's script, and that it was not dictated from above, but came from their hearts. You can just sense the passion in the film! I think even if you somehow disagree with the film's message (can you? ) you should be able to recognise that it's genuine.

Ftr, I am aware the black community has taken issue with the allegory in Zootopia, and I understand their reasoning, but I do not believe this was an intentional decision by the film-makers to undermine their own message! It's probably more of an oversight, and I personally think the allegory still works just fine even if it is not completely analogous to the real-life situation with black people and other minority groups in the US.

This is really the wrong thread for this discussion!

[Disney's Divinity]

I think Disney the company perceives the two studios that way... Or at least they've learned to think of them that way because of failures / successes dictated by audiences. I mean, they failed for a whole decade (the 2000's) to jumpstart male-lead films, merchandise, and franchises. Big Hero 6 didn't do huge numbers either. They knew Ralph didn't do well enough to justify a sequel, and so used a sequel to maximize potential of their female-driven properties with that film instead. I think the last "boy's film" that was a big success was Tarzan, and I'd say you'd have to go back to Aladdin and TLK before finding ones that were successful in merchandise with boys (perhaps Dalmatians was successful with boys, too, despite being an old film re-release, considering all the merchandise it had in the '90s). Meanwhile, most of PIXAR's films have male characters. Brave doesn't look like it did as well as most of their others, although it wasn't a flop like The Good Dinosaur. Inside Out was probably their only film that was an original with a focus on mostly female characters that was a huge success. I'm still surprised a sequel has not been announced to that film; it has the story potential to go on forever just like Toy Story, imo.

There are a lot of things I'd like from Disney. A male-lead musical again, a fairy tale that actually features a romance, etc. I don't have any problem with them pushing diversity. I know that's the only way we'll actually get diversity in film, is if they actively choose to do it on purpose, otherwise things like a Black Disney Princess or a gay Disney character would've happened in the past 100 years of WDAS' history and they never do come about organically. I think it's a good thing people are finally holding film studios' feet to the fire and saying they're tired of waiting for these things to "just happen," because we've learned they will not. The only thing that bothers me is if they're (like in the article I posted in the Raya thread) denying good scripts simply because they don't have some form of diversity involved. I suppose I shouldn't say "if," because that seems more like a fact that they are doing that based on the statements in that article.

[D82]

I think it's not so much that I mind personally, but more that I'm concerned that WDAS is increasingly perceived as making girly films and Pixar boy's films. I do not actually believe that at their core either studio is particularly inclined towards any of those trends - it's probably coincidence more than anything else. But I do get annoyed that for many people, WDAS = princess films. I love the princess musicals myself, but WDAS has made so many other types of films, yet most don't seem to remember that diversity in the canon.

Oh, OK. I understand you perfectly. Yeah, when you mention Disney to other people, the first thing they think of is the princesses. I hate that too. I also love those movies, but Disney is so much more than that. In fact, the princess musicals are just a minority of their films. Or at least they were. It's true that they're some of their best and better-known ones, but they have many other famous films as well. I think the Disney Princess franchise is the main culprit of this.

I agree about Zootopia's message and I don't think the filmmakers meant it to be an allegory for any minority group in particular either.

As for the topic of diversity, I'm really glad unrepresented groups are getting more attention lately. I agree the characters and messages should feel genuine and not forced, but I agree with Disney's Divinity that if change hadn't been forced into the industry, they would keep making the same films as before. It's true that some things are a bit exaggerated; not every film needs to be diverse, for example, as long as they make other movies that are, but I believe we're living in a transition period and that's why things are not perfect yet. And overall, I think it has more positive aspects than negative ones.

[D82]

Just a small update. More products listed on Amazon. I'm not sure if they're legit or not.

Disney Encanto Antonio's Animal Swing Small Doll Playset
Disney Encanto Julieta's Kitchen Small Doll Playset
Disney Encanto Mirabel Dress Outfit Fashion
Disney Encanto Dress Outfit Fashion Isabela Dress Outfit Fashion

More listed products. I don't remember if all of these character names had already been revealed or not.

Disney Encanto Mirabel y Antonio Fashion Doll Play Pack
Disney Encanto Luisa - Muñeca de peluche (14.0 in)
Disney Encanto - Vestido de moda de Isabela

[Sotiris]

I don't remember if all of these character names had already been revealed or not.

They had. Luisa and Isabela are Mirabel's sisters and Antonio is assumed to be her brother because they share the same last name, but I suppose it could be some other relative of hers. Here are the changes in character names (given they are indeed the same characters and not different ones). Based on the character descriptions, I believe they are the same characters and Antonio was simply changed from being Mirabel's "enemy"/love interest to her brother.

Mariana -> Mirabel
Ines -> Dolores -> Isabela
Lydia -> Luisa
Carlos -> Camilo -> Antonio
Juana -> Julieta