Snow White And The Seven Dwarfs: Diamond Edition (Pt. 2)

[Escapay]

i see marky is still as amusing as ever.

He stopped being amusing a long time ago.

albert

[Linguini]

People with "only" a DVD Player can order the Limited Edition Collector's Set too. I mean the diamond edition in there has a dvd with the movie too. And all the other stuff like the book or the pins have nothing to do with blu ray.

[David S.]

That's true, and a good point, which I will expand on. A peson with a desire for the gift set who doesn't have a BD player or any plans of getting one anytime soon could buy the gift set, and then sell the BDs themselves to someone in order to pay for the two disc DVD that they would need to buy in order to see all the bonus features that they couldn't watch with the gift set because it doesn't come with disc 2 of the DVD. Of course, the idea would be to keep all the collectible stuff that comes with the gift set and just swap out the BDs for the 2-disc DVD. Then they could have the best of both worlds - all the collectibles plus the ability to watch the film AND the bonus features in the format of their choice.

Of course, if they thought there was a decent chance they would ever get into BD, it would probably be best to hang onto the BDs themselves and shell out the extra money for the 2-disc DVD so they can watch the bonus features in the NOW, and so they would have the bonus features just in case they never got a BD player.

Oh, and I will politely disagree with something said earlier in the thread. In my opinion, a person can be a "big enough film buff" without being into BD. Maybe not from a hard core techno-equipment standpoint, but certainly from an artistic one.

[Cordy_Biddle]

Goodness, wasn't there enough snobbery when DVD came into popularity? Honestly... DVD is great and BD is great as well. Whatever gets you through the night.

[ajmrowland]

Oh, and I will politely disagree with something said earlier in the thread. In my opinion, a person can be a "big enough film buff" without being into BD. Maybe not from a hard core techno-equipment standpoint, but certainly from an artistic one.

That, I agree with. Some people just don't have the money, or the interest in new features or HD viewing. I was just stating whatever reasons the studios may think they have not to release some giftsets with the DVD version of many movies.

[David S.]

Ah, I'm sorry that I misinterpreted your meaning

[Marky_198]

Oh, and I will politely disagree with something said earlier in the thread. In my opinion, a person can be a "big enough film buff" without being into BD. Maybe not from a hard core techno-equipment standpoint, but certainly from an artistic one.

Exactly.

And the fact is, that films lose many things when watched in HD.
Personally I have a hard time getting into the film when watching Blu-ray.
It's too sharp, really tiring for the eye, and the films lose their magical touch.

DVD is really sharp too. Before Blu Ray came, everyone was overly excited about how sharp and perfect the dvd's were. And they are.

I think Blu Ray crosses the line, and went too far trying to be high def, which doesn't do the films any good.

Of course people wiht a "hard core techno-equipment standpoint" find this hard to understand, but obviously they care more about the equipment than about the actual films, artistry and overall atmosphere.

So actually the question is, "Can you even be a real film buff if you adore Blu Ray"?
Because real film fans are really disappointed by the distant impression films on Blu-ray give.

[Deco King]

Oh, and I will politely disagree with something said earlier in the thread. In my opinion, a person can be a "big enough film buff" without being into BD. Maybe not from a hard core techno-equipment standpoint, but certainly from an artistic one.

Exactly.

And the fact is, that films lose many things when watched in HD.
Personally I have a hard time getting into the film when watching Blu-ray.
It's too sharp, really tiring for the eye, and the films lose their magical touch.

DVD is really sharp too. Before Blu Ray came, everyone was overly excited about how sharp and perfect the dvd's were. And they are.

I think Blu Ray crosses the line, and went too far trying to be high def, which doesn't do the films any good.

Of course people wiht a "hard core techno-equipment standpoint" find this hard to understand, but obviously they care more about the equipment than about the actual films, artistry and overall atmosphere.

So actually the question is, "Can you even be a real film buff if you adore Blu Ray"?
Because real film fans are really disappointed by the distant impression films on Blu-ray give.

What total crap !!! I have an aesthetic appreciation of motion pictures and do not wish to have my "film buff" credentials qestioned by you or anyone else thank you very much!!

I like to see the classic films that I love and revere in my own home in what I judge to be the finest and sharpest picture quality in other words on my TV using a Blu Ray source!!

[Rudy Matt]

And the fact is, that films lose many things when watched in HD.
Personally I have a hard time getting into the film when watching Blu-ray.
It's too sharp, really tiring for the eye, and the films lose their magical touch.

I doubt you've watched a film in Blu-Ray outside of walking by a Blu-Ray display in some big box store.

DVD is really sharp too.

Yes, compared to Beta and VHS.

Before Blu Ray came, everyone was overly excited about how sharp and perfect the dvd's were.

Yes, compared to VHS.

I think Blu Ray crosses the line, and went too far trying to be high def, which doesn't do the films any good.

I think you're threatened by the prospect that your giant Disney movie collection and movie collection in general is now demonstrably obsolete, degraded substantially in value, and is a relic of the late 20th century.

[The_Iceflash]

I think you're threatened by the prospect that your giant Disney movie collection and movie collection in general is now demonstrably obsolete, degraded substantially in value, and is a relic of the late 20th century.

Which is completely untrue.. DVD quality is still great quality. We can't say the same for VHS quality, etc.

[Flanger-Hanger]

I think you're threatened by the prospect that your giant Disney movie collection and movie collection in general is now demonstrably obsolete, degraded substantially in value, and is a relic of the late 20th century.

I think he's a troll looking for attention. Why else would he post the same thing over and over again about a hot topic like Disney movies which goes against what many people (from less aggressive fans to people who know what they're talking about when it comes to film restoration) think?

He never has anything to back up his opinion, beyond crappy quality screencaps and his unfunny use of hyperbole is always designed to get a maximum reaction from whoever he wants attention from.

Don't feed the troll. Let it live under his or her bridge so we can have some kind of decent discussion on these boards.

[Flanger-Hanger]

I think you're threatened by the prospect that your giant Disney movie collection and movie collection in general is now demonstrably obsolete, degraded substantially in value, and is a relic of the late 20th century.

Which is completely untrue..

And you know...why? Last time I check you're name is The_Iceflash and not Marky. And even if he were to say something like that, there is no proof to show that is what he honestly thinks (especially given his hostile nature).

[The_Iceflash]

Which is completely untrue..

And you know...why? Last time I check you're name is The_Iceflash and not Marky. And even if he were to say something like that, there is no proof to show that is what he honestly thinks (especially given his hostile nature).

I'm not talking about the part about being threatened but the part about DVD collections being obsolete, degraded in value, and a relic of the late 20th century. Even if Blu-ray becomes the only format, players can play DVDs so the format will never be obsolete. Rudy said before that people who aren't switching to Blu-ray are not "letting go of 20th century technology and moving on to the 21st century".

[Deco King]

This thread is supposedly about Snow White and it's been hijacked for Blu Ray versus DVD why people cannot accept that Blu Ray is the superior format I just don't know , however the title of this thread is Snow White !!

[Rudy Matt]

I agree with you, Iceflash - but the paranoia and ostritch-head-plunging of people like Marky is born from the fear, the ignorance, and the threat pesonally felt by movie collectors over the ascendance of High Definition technology. You get the "DVD is perfectly fine" argument, which is true, if you thought standard definition of VHS was a gift (and it was), which led to almost rapturous acceptance of DVD (because it was great). But now there is a new standard, and while people like Marky are happy with what they have, at the same time, people like Marky are tilting at windmills attempting to persuade others that the new standard is inferior to something that is actually quite glorious. Why is Marky denying something that even a child could discern with his or her own eyes? Are Marky's eyes defective? No - that's obvious from his detailed criticism of new restorations. So we're left with Marky's own psychology and understanding. I posit the presumption that Marky is an older Disney fan, probably with a sizable Disney DVD and VHS collection, he has a 4:3 television, and the notion of upgrading this collection and home theater environment is upsetting and unsettling and unallowable. Hence the tilting at the windwills, hence the fierce criticism of any new transfers that differ from his VHS and DVD collections, hence his anti-HD opinions.

[The_Iceflash]

I agree with you, Iceflash - but the paranoia and ostritch-head-plunging of people like Marky is born from the fear, the ignorance, and the threat pesonally felt by movie collectors over the ascendance of High Definition technology. You get the "DVD is perfectly fine" argument, which is true, if you thought standard definition of VHS was a gift (and it was), which led to almost rapturous acceptance of DVD (because it was great). But now there is a new standard, and while people like Marky are happy with what they have, at the same time, people like Marky are tilting at windmills attempting to persuade others that the new standard is inferior to something that is actually quite glorious. Why is Marky denying something that even a child could discern with his or her own eyes? Are Marky's eyes defective? No - that's obvious from his detailed criticism of new restorations. So we're left with Marky's own psychology and understanding. I posit the presumption that Marky is an older Disney fan, probably with a sizable Disney DVD and VHS collection, he has a 4:3 television, and the notion of upgrading this collection and home theater environment is upsetting and unsettling and unallowable. Hence the tilting at the windwills, hence the fierce criticism of any new transfers that differ from his VHS and DVD collections, hence his anti-HD opinions.

I agree there. For me seeing as I got 80% of my Disney DVD collection in the last year or so, I don't plan on re-buying anytime soon. I'm a college student and even if I wanted to I couldn't afford it. I don't want to feel like I'm obligated to. Even though I didn't get Sleeping Beauty and Pinocchio on Blu-ray, I still found the restoration to be amazing on the DVD. I've been getting rid of my VHS's as I've been buying the DVDs (even though I haven't been watching the VHS's). I don't deny Blu-ray is better than DVD. For me it's not worth my starting over yet again. Blu-ray isn't worth it to me. I have seen great picture and sound on DVDs (which I can't say for VHS's). For me HD isn't worth the price to pay (even if I had all the money in the world) and not worth the effort of re-starting my movie collection on Blu-ray. I find it too soon (I don't care what anyone says, new formats every 10 years is unreasonable and proof that technology is moving a speed that's irrational to try to keep up with.) I don't want to be buying the same Disney movies again every decade when they are re-released in a new way. It's impractical to me.

To turn this back into a Snow White discussion, the bundle isn't practical for me. I'll be paying the price of the bundle and only use the DVD copy of the film. It's not worth it to me as I don't see myself investing in Blu-ray any time soon if even at all. A 2-Disc DVD with a bonus Blu-ray copy of the film would be a more practical option in my opinion. Therefore I'll be getting the 2-Disc DVD. While I haven't been liking Disney's marketing of home video releases lately, it's something I'll have to deal with.

@Deco King: You can go back to talking about how the Snow White site still isn't up.

[PatrickvD]

I still don't get it. No one is putting a gun to anyone's head forcing them to buy and watch Blu-Ray. So what's the big deal?

[blackcauldron85]

I appreciate how this is a forum and the 1st Amendment and all that, but I think the mods need to do something about this. People are coming into this thread to learn about the new Snow White DVD and Blu-ray, and we're getting pages of back and forth arguing. Love, not war!

In the comparison pictures, I agree that Snow White is a little less snowy and a little more rosy. In the picture of the Dwarfs walking, the picture on the left looks better, I think, but in some of the bottom ones, the picture on the left looks more washed out. I guess it really is a case of wait and see once you can watch the movie at home!

[MutantEnemy]

I agree with blackcauldron85, I used to be excited about Snow White and being able to read about the release and it has been turned into who knows more about colors and Blu-ray vs. DVD. Both topics are boring and tedious beyond words, SO can we please move on...

[Marky_198]

I like to see the classic films that I love and revere in my own home in what I judge to be the finest and sharpest picture quality in other words on my TV using a Blu Ray source!!

Sorry to burst your bubble, but "sharpest" DEFINITELY isn't always "finest".