Are You Gay 2? It's a New, More Fabulous Thread!

[goofystitch]

Very good to know. I was hoping they were just rumors.

I usually watch the show, but this season I stopped after the first 12 because I figured Adam would win and it didn't even seem like a contest to me as a result.

[Escapay]

Very good to know. I was hoping they were just rumors.

I usually watch the show, but this season I stopped after the first 12 because I figured Adam would win and it didn't even seem like a contest to me as a result.

Well...now it's a contest for second place?

albert

[Disney Duster]

lord-of-sith, are you gay or bisexual? Didn't you once say you found Maleficent so hot and wouldn't mind her doing things to you? But now you seem so gay. It all just keeps me knowing how gay guys really are.

Goliath, you don't quit understand these religions, which makes sense as it seems you don't believe in at least any that use the Bible. But basically these men were inspired by God, he spoke to them, in dreams or subconsciously or in their minds or whatever, but they had human flaws. It's not like he had them record things word for word. He divinely let them know what they should write. And of course, when you right things from any person, if you write it a day or a few hours or even a few minutes after you talked to them, it won't be exact, you may make mistakes.

Also, these men were indeed writing down what they had heard orally before. They weren't all witnesses to all of the events, in fact most of them weren't. God inspired them. He guided them, but it wasn't perfect, as humans aren't perfect. They weren't made to be.

And you may also remember what happens in "whisper down the alley"? The idea, though, was that what needed to be said was written down. It's just that what they originally wrote has been changed over the years, accidentally, in translation, or on purpose. As humans aren't perfect, and are also sinners.

As for tales they wrote that sound similar to other tales, it could be possible some of the authors wrote stories that had been changed, but they only wrote them the way they heard them. What's important is that what God absolutely needed to say got in.

Also, maybe you haven't realized that every "new" television show, movie, or book, still uses events and dialogue that has been heard before. If we really look at them, we can find them quite similar to things we've heard before, just rearranged or slightly changed. That is because these new stories still need to contain things that are familiar to us, that will resonate with human beings. Things happen today that are similar to, or exactly like, things that happened a long time ago. The world has not really changed that much. You may have heard the phrase "there's nothing new under the sun." The events that made the legends you think the Bible authors stole may indeed have been similar to other events that the Bible authors wrote down. And you still can't pinpoint exactly when and how those legends were made. Perhaps they actually stole from an event the Bible authors got right.

Sometimes not wanting to know information is wise, it can make you happier.

It's willfull ignorance.

I guess you haven't heard "Ignorance is bliss?" But the only ignorance here is if you ignore something, as you ignore religion, and information others know. But scientists are always finding new information that changes everything. Everything you think is the truth, is knowledge, gets changed as each day goes by. At least scientific truth. But even what we know as history gets changed as we find new things, or that people covered up things. History is decided by those who write it. Do what makes you happy, avoid what makes you unhappy. You cannot find out everything about the world. You cannot find all the answers. And no one can.

We should strive and strive to be human, something above animals. Scientists decided to classify us as animals. Homosexuality was also listed as a mental illness once by doctors. We can decide what we want. We are more than animals, it's not pretend. We are so much more. Don't forget it.

The distinction is false. Biologically speaking, we are animals. I have not seen scientific evidence to the contrary, so I'll stick with science.

You don't want to follow religious leaders, but you follow whatever scientists say? You follow what some other people say. Alrighty then. Scientists only see what is in front of them, that's all they can study, and that's what they use to declare what's what on this earth for everybody else. Thankfully many more are free enough to decide for themselves. As I said, they classified homosexuality as a mental illness. But you decide for yourself, what makes you happy. You know you are no animal. You are typing on this computer and you can feel you are more than an animal. You are so much more.

Don't forget it.

Don't lose it.

[Isidour]

The detail that we can write and communicate with others by some media like this doesn't make us really "more than animals" Disney Duster. I remember what a teacher told us in high school: "As bees communicate by dancing, whales and dolphins by sonar signals we as humans decided to create a way that any other animal would understand...as they did before us"

I believe Dustie that we're no greater or less than any other animal, but we're a kind of one. One who needs some backup or a "truth" to follow and believe in it (call it science or faith, both were made FROM humans FOR humans). In some way we could even be compared to vampires:

You see, the vampires are really weak creatures: yes, in the folklore they can control the wind, the rain, the animals and even other humans but these are just some minor weapons because they're so weak than a simple stick,placed on the right point, can destroy them.

Both science and religious faith seems to be one of our most and even presumed as our major force compared to other animals, but both are weaknesses: Science that just take us away from some old knowledge just to take us there again some years and many many more theories later; and religion that is just good for the ones who are the leaders of it, who control other people with it.

No creation can be greater than the creator itself, but if we believe with all our strength on it, it will be....because then we'll be weaker. Even if we call id god, or science

[Lazario]

This is a must-see:

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[universALLove]

This is a must-see:

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This chick is demented (just check out her hand spasms ), how she can call herself a role model I'll never know! She should thank God for her looks 'cause that's all she'll ever have. Having said that though, she could do with a hair stylist; a gay one preferably, he'll sort her out real good! Don't you think it looks a bit on the frizzy side? Not such a good look for a so called beauty queen. Come on Miss California where's your pride

[Lazario]

So - you think that's the real Miss California too?!!

I saw it this morning and flew into a rage of anger and frustration ... only to discover - this woman isn't Carrie, the beauty contestant from California who made the anti-gay speech to blogger Perez Hilton however many weeks ago that happened. This woman is Lisa Nova, a comedienne / actress. Doing a parody of Miss California's Press Conference.


And by the way, I think Lisa looks amazing. Way better than that skanky ho Carrie, the real Miss California.

[universALLove]

So - you think that's the real Miss California too?!!

I saw it this morning and flew into a rage of anger and frustration ... only to discover - this woman isn't Carrie, the beauty contestant from California who made the anti-gay speech to blogger Perez Hilton however many weeks ago that happened. This woman is Lisa Nova, a comedienne / actress. Doing a parody of Miss California's Press Conference.


And by the way, I think Lisa looks amazing. Way better than that skanky ho Carrie, the real Miss California.

Oh is it? I just assumed it was Miss California hence it stated that on the video. I didn't realise this was a parody, it was pretty funny. Good job Lisa Nova! You had me fooled

[Lazario]

Yeah - she had me fooled pretty good, too. She sounded so sincere and heartfelt. At least... at the part where she talks about her Grandfather. What person doing a parody would fake-stunt her sentence like she was going to cry - just for a parody? She must be a really great actress.


This is the real Miss California:
http://www.usmagazine.com/files/carrie-prejean-b_1.jpg

[universALLove]

She must be a really great actress.

Agreed!

[Goliath]

Goliath, you don't quit understand these religions, which makes sense as it seems you don't believe in at least any that use the Bible.

That reasoning is false. I don't have to believe in the Bible to 'know' or 'understand' religions. I don't have to believe in the Qu'ran to learn about the originis of Islam, either. There is much we don't know about the origins of the Bible. But we do know a great deal about how it came into being. It seems like you don't want to know. Because knowing how the Bible came into being would ruïn your conception of 'a book that is the one true word of God'. Which it isn't. It's a collection of very loosely related stories, written over a span of centuries.

But basically these men were inspired by God, he spoke to them, in dreams or subconsciously or in their minds or whatever, but they had human flaws. It's not like he had them record things word for word. He divinely let them know what they should write. And of course, when you right things from any person, if you write it a day or a few hours or even a few minutes after you talked to them, it won't be exact, you may make mistakes.

Also, these men were indeed writing down what they had heard orally before. They weren't all witnesses to all of the events, in fact most of them weren't. God inspired them. He guided them, but it wasn't perfect, as humans aren't perfect. They weren't made to be.

But how do you know? How do you know God spoke to them, or inspired them? You don't know. Did God tell you? If not, you don't know. The explanation that God spoke through the authors of the Bible was conceived by *humans*. Humans just like you and me, and why would you take their word for it? Also note that the FACT that the Bible was authored by more than one writer was long denied by both the church and the Jewish community. Spinoza even got ex-communicated from the Jewish community for saying out loud there was no single author.

And isn't it awful convenient to say that God 'spoke through these authors' and they didn't quite get it right because they had flaws etc. etc.? If God really wants his messages to reach the people, why doesn't he just appear and say to the people: "yo, listen up, here's the deal, 'kay?" Why does he have to find human writers to interpret his messages in stories which end up contradicting one another? The answer is, again, that men (humans!) made the stories up. The earliest stories in the Old Testament are believed to have been written during the time the Jews were in exile in Babylon (under the reign of Nebudchadnezzar). They needed an explanation for the dire situation they found themselves in, and they invented a stories about their people not listening to God, and the exile was supposed to be a punishment. While they were at it, they also thought up an entire history for their people.

As for tales they wrote that sound similar to other tales, it could be possible some of the authors wrote stories that had been changed, but they only wrote them the way they heard them. What's important is that what God absolutely needed to say got in.

You miss the point. The Bible is the basis of the biggest religion in the world. There are, unfortunately, millions of people who believe in it LITERALLY. And it contains, as I've explained, stories which are rehashes from earlier Sumerian and Greek texts. Which means that the stories are not true, nor are they "inspired from God". The story of Noah is a rehash of the Gilgamesj and the Deucalion stories, in which God (or actually the most important one, since they believed in many gods) visits the earth, is disappointed in mankind, and wipes it off the earth with a big flood... except for one man, who was good, and who would repopulate the earth.

Early parts of Genesis mention multiple Gods existing. They roam the earth and have interaction and relations with humans. How can religious people read past this? It's nothing more but an ancient Greek myth. Multiple Gods having relations with humans is characteristic of Greek mythology... and it's in Genesis. So how you could either claim all of this was inspired by the Jewish/Christian God, or that none of this matters, is beyond me.

Also, maybe you haven't realized that every "new" television show, movie, or book, still uses events and dialogue that has been heard before. If we really look at them, we can find them quite similar to things we've heard before, just rearranged or slightly changed. That is because these new stories still need to contain things that are familiar to us, that will resonate with human beings.

Really? You want to compare a worldwide religion, over which millions of people have waged wars and slaughtered each other, and which still inspires political action even today... to a TV SHOW? Are you kidding me??!

And you still can't pinpoint exactly when and how those legends were made. Perhaps they actually stole from an event the Bible authors got right.

Er... the Gilgamesj stories are written down on clay tablets from seventh century BC. They are much older than the Noah story.

I guess you haven't heard "Ignorance is bliss?"

I've heard it, and it's a false saying. It's invented to keep people uninformed and ingnorant of the truth. People in positions of power, like religious leaders, count on it.

But the only ignorance here is if you ignore something, as you ignore religion, and information others know.

Oh no, make no mistake: I don't ignore religion. Had I ignored it, I wouldn't know so much about it. That is, the Christian religion. I know little of Islam or Hinduïsm, for example. One doesn't have to believe in religion to study it.

But scientists are always finding new information that changes everything. Everything you think is the truth, is knowledge, gets changed as each day goes by. At least scientific truth. But even what we know as history gets changed as we find new things, or that people covered up things. History is decided by those who write it. Do what makes you happy, avoid what makes you unhappy. You cannot find out everything about the world. You cannot find all the answers. And no one can.

But that is exaclty the great thing about science: it DOES get updated whenever new information is found. Your argument only strenghtens my believe in science, because science is never a 'finished' project, as religion is. Religion is finished: there's a 2000 year old book that you haver to read, that never gets revised anymore. No matter how many evidence there may be found to contradict what's in the book, the book stays unedited and people keep believing in it. It's not informed by current developments. It's the belief-system of men who lived thousands of years ago in an under-developed society with little knowledge of the world.

You don't want to follow religious leaders, but you follow whatever scientists say? You follow what some other people say. Alrighty then. Scientists only see what is in front of them, that's all they can study, and that's what they use to declare what's what on this earth for everybody else. Thankfully many more are free enough to decide for themselves.

No, no. Science and religion are not equal, nor are they to be compared. Religious leaders tell me what to believe because "that's how it is", or because "it says so in this old book". Science offers me explanations of the world which get updated and revised on a daily basis. Science is open to debate, religion is not. Science is based upon peer review and evidence, religion is not. Science welcomes falsification to gain new insights, religion does not. You can question science, but not religion. You are "free to decide for yourself" that gravity doesn't exist. But it makes you look pretty stupid if you can't back it up. Whereas you can make the wildest religious claims, like a man walked on water, or he raised from the death, without ever having to give any plausible evidence. Is that "thinking for yourself"?

As I said, they classified homosexuality as a mental illness.

Yes, once they did. But decades ago, they found out that they were wrong. And they admitted it. And now they don't call it that anymore. Because they're wiser now. Whereas religion still uses the Bible and the Thora and the Qu'ran to oppress and harrass homosexuals.

But you decide for yourself, what makes you happy.

It can make you happy, but it has nothing to do with the truth.

You know you are no animal. You are typing on this computer and you can feel you are more than an animal. You are so much more.

What does any of that have to do with me not being an animal? Ever heard of evolution?

By the way, I do not think "humans" are 'more' than "animals". I've never seen animals wage war against each other over religious beliefs, over natural resources, over money. Animals don't pollute the air, or destory nature and the environment. Animals are a lot more civilized than "humans".

[Goliath]

Carrie, the beauty contestant from California who made the anti-gay speech to blogger Perez Hilton however many weeks ago that happened.

Bill Maher had something to say about Miss California:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ1cyU9aIG0

and:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J7oGJzdzFc (from 00:29 onward)

[xxhplinkxx]

Goliath, I can't tell you how much I love you right now.

Here are my thoughts on the Bible and religion: It's just a bunch of crap. If people today started having "visions" and hearing "voices" what would we do with them? Lock their ass up in the loony bin where they belong. Too bad they didn't have one back then.

Like Goliath said:

If God really wants his messages to reach the people, why doesn't he just appear and say to the people: "yo, listen up, here's the deal, 'kay?" Why does he have to find human writers to interpret his messages in stories which end up contradicting one another? The answer is, again, that men (humans!) made the stories up.

Amen!

[Goliath]

Goliath, I can't tell you how much I love you right now.

Well, go ahead and try anyway... You just might succeed.

Here are my thoughts on the Bible and religion: It's just a bunch of crap. If people today started having "visions" and hearing "voices" what would we do with them? Lock their ass up in the loony bin where they belong. Too bad they didn't have one back then.

Ain't that the truth. I've said it often to people: suppose I walk outside and I declare to everybody I meet that I'm the son of God. People would laugh at me, the autorities would have me arrested for disturbing public order. But believing that a 2,000 years old man who raised from the death is answering your prayers? Noooo, THAT'S not ridiculous!...

All kidding aside, my objective is not to trash Christianity. I want to show people these stories in the Bible have a history; a human history. But most people who are religious don't want to know that. But still, *they* are the ones who claim they 'know' the Bible. Just because they've read it. Well, I have read it too. It's a very hard book to understand. It boggles my mind that there are people who claim to 'understand' it.

[lord-of-sith]

lord-of-sith, are you gay or bisexual? Didn't you once say you found Maleficent so hot and wouldn't mind her doing things to you? But now you seem so gay. It all just keeps me knowing how gay guys really are.

Well when I first posted in this thread (or the previous thread) I identified myself as bisexual. Since then (as I recall some predicting) the tables have tilted and what was once for of a 60%/40% is now more like 90%/10%.

The reason I claim that 10% of heterosexuality is that there are some (though very few and far between) girls that I find attractive in a sexual manner. I do not recall saying that about Maleficent though. For all intents and purposes, however, you could say I'm gay

[Lazario]

Carrie, the beauty contestant from California who made the anti-gay speech to blogger Perez Hilton however many weeks ago that happened.

Bill Maher had something to say about Miss California:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ1cyU9aIG0

THAT'S a good one. I especially love - "Only in America does a woman who looks like a transvestite have the right to bash gays." That's actually what I was saying to Nick Bryant yesterday. Trying to say. I'm not a comedian (can y'all tell?)- Bill puts it so much better than I ever could. (and just to bring up Lisa again... that girl is clearly all-woman)

and:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J7oGJzdzFc (from 00:29 onward)

Oh REALLY...

I wasn't aware that the McCain Campaign's precious Joe the Plumber was talking about gays now in the media... (Stopped this post to go to Google) Just did a search on the Google and here's what that steaming pile of dog dung said about Us... and I quote...

"I've had some friends that are actually homosexual. And, I mean, they know where I stand, and they know that I wouldn't have them anywhere near my children. But at the same time, they're people, and they're going to do their thing."

Gee, where do I begin?

How about- what gay person would remain his friend after he told them he fears what gay people would do to his kids? Or, maybe I should start with: does he actually have the balls to tell his gay "friends" he fears for the safety of his children around them? I'll bet not. Since he's such a successful businessman, I'll bet these gay "friends" of his are other business associates. People he has no other choice than to associate with or lose their business. He's insulting the intelligence of his children, probably shaming or guilting them into hating or disapproving of gays just because he's a flaming bigot. I don't exactly think I need to say anything about Straight-America's fears that we will corrupt their children. It's a viewpoint I believe statistics show most America doesn't agree with or share. Most Americans are actually intelligent enough to know better. This guy is about as intelligent as a rusty nail.

Wow.

[SpringHeelJack]

It's funny, because contrariwise I wouldn't let Joe the Plumber near my kids. Why he assumes gay people would actually want to be around him / his brood is beyond my capacity.

[JiminyCrick91]

This has nothing to do with the main topic but Brendan, I ADORE your Sesame Street Liz Lemon Avatar.

-Sky

[universALLove]

This has nothing to do with the main topic but Brendan, I ADORE your Sesame Street Liz Lemon Avatar.

-Sky

I know, it's cute right!?

[Lazario]

It's funny, because contrariwise I wouldn't let Joe the Plumber near my kids. Why he assumes gay people would actually want to be around him / his brood is beyond my capacity.

If I had kids, I wouldn't let him near them either.

I wonder what he thinks about parents who disagree with him.