Tangled (aka Rapunzel) Discussion - Part III

[blackcauldron85]

I'll be addressing things that Disney Duster put in white, so don't read if you didn't read his post:

I think that, with the tea/lettuce thing, it's neat that Disney's keeping that aspect of the original story, but changing it a bit. And hopefully there won't be freaky screaming radishes in this version.

And with the Rapunzel/lettuce name thing; maybe it's just a weird pretty name, like Snow White or Cinderella...?

I don't see why she can't be the original story's witch with a garden, who makes the deal with Rapunzel's father who tries to steal her lettuce.

Well, we don't know everything. And it's just one thing...I mean, it's great that Disney puts their own spin on fairy tales, to make them their own.

If Mother Gothel isn't a magical witch or enchantress, not only is it not like the original story, but it makes her more ordinary and less interesting to me. And then I have no idea how she gets Rapunzel or how she builds that huge, giant tower and puts her up there in the first place. The only think that makes me feel okay is that then Mother Gothel is kinda magical by stealing magic.

Uhhh, just wait until you see the movie...?

The reasons I am concerned about all this are, for one, because it's not being faithful when it doesn't have to be unfaithful. The changes aren't necessary for making a better movie is what I mean. More than that, I don't want children who see this movie thinking then that this is how Rapunzel's story goes. You see, I'm very okay with children thinking that The Little Mermaid lived happily ever after, I'm okay with them thinking extra things happened in certain stories that didn't happen originally. But I don't understand why there has to be so many changed things as Tangled is doing.

But Disney has changed things in all of their fairy tales. All of them. So why is it okay for the other fairy tale films but not Tangled? I grew up with fairy tale books, and so can kids these days. They can know the original versions and the Disney versions.

Mike, I LOVE your version- it's a perfect fairy tale! I think, though, that Disney's story is set in stone, so they probably wouldn't use anything from yours. I think the fun thing with fairy tales is that you can change them, make them your own...that's why there are all different versions of fairy tales.

And about Flynn- I like that idea, but we won't know until the movie comes out (or until more people see it and spill all the beans online. )

If Disney really wants to call it, "Tangled," to emphasize two characters, why not create a prologue about Flynn Rider alongside with Rapunzel's? Maybe then, it can definitely emphasize two characters.

I like that idea very much. But, again, of course the film is pretty much all made...but I do like that idea. And mawnck suggested that Flynn indeed could be included in the prologue.

[DisneyFan09]

Sorry to say this to you Disney fans, but from the looks of the story that are spoiled and read, it is better off, "Rapunzel," than, "Tangled." If Disney really wants to call it, "Tangled," to emphasize two characters, why not create a prologue about Flynn Rider alongside with Rapunzel's? Maybe then, it can definitely emphasize two characters. Also, it almost, but not quite, look similar as, "The Princess and the Frog," except they do not turn into frogs. For example, in Disney's, "The Princess and the Frog," Naveen breaks up with Tiana after he understood her dream, and gets captured by Dr. Facilier's shadow creatures. In the story of Disney's, "Rapunzel (Tangled)," Flynn breaks up with Rapunzel for no reason, and gets captured by the guards of kingdom Corona. However, they both have different endings. In Disney's, "The Princess and the Frog," Tiana destroys the talisman, and sends Dr. Facilier to his friends on the other side. In Disney's, "Rapunzel (Tangled)," Rapunzel cuts off her own hair, and watches Mother Gothel die in age. The reason why I believe that both, "The Princess and the Frog," and, "Rapunzel (Tangled)," look almost similar in stories, is because of the story that focuses one character in the beginning, before it focuses two characters than one. I could be wrong, but that is just a thought when it comes to stories. True that the animation and musical numbers could top it off for Disney's, "Rapunzel (Tangled)," but they have to at least make the story better for once that can go along with the animation and musical numbers. From the looks of the story, it will probably do good, but not too good. Sorry for being picky, but this story could be worth telling.

No offence, but Naveen didn't exactly dumped Tiana. He just went away, since he thought her restaurant was her big dream. And if Flynn "dumps" Rapunzel, he should have a reason for it.

[mawnck]

I understand that the story could be a little false ... he or she did not see the movie, neither do I or all of us in this thread, except some who are lucky like Flynn Rider,

I have seen Tangled (test screening, May 25th). It's more than a little. And your translation of it in your most recent posts isn't even in the ballpark. It's like a game of telephone, except that the person on the other end didn't know what they were talking about in the first place.

I bet it might tell the story about both Rapunzel and Flynn Rider's past without even knowing it

It already does. The prologue is about both of them, although it focuses more on Rapunzel because *that's the way the people at Disney, whose names are actually on the movie, planned it*. The rest of Flynn's back story is revealed in other ways. They can't put the whole movie into the prologue.

They have put a LOT of thought into this script, which you aren't going to get from compilations of internet rumors and concept art of unknown vintage. You'll have to wait and see the movie. And take my word for it that most of your suggestions would screw it up.

I just feel like things are getting a little out of control when people are inventing their own mish-mash version of "Tangled" and then complaining about it not meeting their expectations.

And the circus continues.

[DisneyDude2010]

I wish people would stop going on about this damn lettuce bussiness
It's not in the movie so get over it

[Wonderlicious]

I wish people would stop going on about this damn lettuce bussiness
It's not in the movie so get over it

And of course, the origins of Cinderella's name were never mentioned in Cinderella (she got it as a slur from the stepsisters because she had to sleep by the fireplace; it wasn't bestowed upon her by her loving father). Nor were the origins of Snow White's name in Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (it was based on Snow White's birth mother wanting a baby with skin as white as snow, which didn't feature in the film). Imagine the outrage that would have been felt on online Disney forums had they existed back in 1937 or 1949! The members of The Ultimate Guide to Disney Film-Prints would have made sure that Walt had no rest for his mistakes!

[CiciRose]

I just feel like things are getting a little out of control when people are inventing their own mish-mash version of "Tangled" and then complaining about it not meeting their expectations.

And the circus continues.

Agreed, the movie is done (well, the story, at the very least) and nothing's changing it now. At the end of the day, we know so little about the plot, based on what's been released, that we really can't judge it.

[Super Aurora]

I wish people would stop going on about this damn lettuce bussiness
It's not in the movie so get over it

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[Atlantica]

Disney ALWAYS tweak or change the fairy stories that they make; they have their reasons; whether it be to shorten it or make it more suitable for the audience it is aimed for. And what Disney ultimatley create is THE essential version of the story. For example :

* Cinderella went to the ball three times. The Prince was fooled twice by each sister fitting into the glass slipper through one cutting off her toe, the other her heel.

* Snow White was poisoned twice; once from a comb, the other the apple, and another by a corset lace that was pulled too tight.

* The Little Mermaid dies.

* Sleeping Beauty gets raped by the Prince, gives birth to twins in her sleep, who in turn suck the splinter out from her finger.

Of course, these events appear no where in the Disney versions. Disney has their reasons for changing things; and the fact is, they always do. Tangled is no different. As a poster mentioned; the original story may have been too dull for an 85 min movie.

[Renren]

Hey this is my first time posting on the board.
I'm looking forward to seeing this film when it's released, looks promising so far.
From the footage shown in the videos so far I like the animation and designs, reminds me of Cinderella and Sleeping beauty.

I hope they will show a new trailer or such, soon.

[CiciRose]

I wish people would stop going on about this damn lettuce bussiness
It's not in the movie so get over it

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I haven't played those games in forever

[tsom]

1. The movie comes out in 3 months. They are not going to change anything.

2. This is an adaptation of the fairy tale, not a literal translation.

3. The movie's name is Tangled. It was Tangled back in January and it will be Tangled 50 years from now.

I don't mean to sound like be a bitch, but we go through the same conversations each time Disney does a fantasy motion picture (Enchanted, The Princess and the Frog, Alice in Wonderland, Tangled). Each time I see the thread count increase, I think a new trailer has been released or something.

I love you guys!

[PatrickvD]

3. The movie's name is Tangled. It was Tangled back in January and it will be Tangled 50 years from now.

not in Holland... or France.. or any of the other many countries that call this movie: Rapunzel.

[RodryCroft]

In Spain at first, the movie was called "Rapunzel", and in the trailer before the great "Toy Story 3" was called "Rapunzel".... All spanish Disney fans were all so happy, because at last a good disney movie was going to have the right title. (With "The Princess and the Frog" we had a huge kick-ass when Disney Spain called it "Tiana y el Sapo" which means "Tiana and the Toad", as you can see, it's a horrible title!! it looses the magic of the original one... And I have to say too, that in the film Tiana and Naveen referred to themselves as "frogs" on many occasions. It has no sense!!)

Well, A few days ago, Disney Spain released the official spanish site of the movie.....
Look what they have done http://www.disney.es/enredados/

ENREDADOS!!! I know it's the correct spanish word for "Tangled" but... "Enredados" sounds horrible!!! They give us hope when they called it "Rapunzel" and now this mess up???!!!!

I'm very VERY sad, but I'm still going to call it "Rapunzel", and i will do it until i die!!!!!

Well, regards from this broken Disney fan =(

[Khonnor]

Uhmm, the trailers I saw in Holland called it TANGLED. Maybe the teaser trailer still used RAPUNZEL (can't remember), but the actual trailer says TANGLED.

[UmbrellaFish]

Sorry, RodryCroft. We feel your pain.

[blackcauldron85]

It was posted in the Disneyland thread that Rapunzel's & Flynn's first day in Fairytale Gardens will be October 15th. I wrote it in my calendar and hopefully will take the day off!

[PatrickvD]

Uhmm, the trailers I saw in Holland called it TANGLED. Maybe the teaser trailer still used RAPUNZEL (can't remember), but the actual trailer says TANGLED.

the Dutch trailer calls it Rapunzel. Cinemas usually use trailers from the US. The Dutch Disney Youtube channel has trailers for Holland and Belgium referring to the film as Rapunzel. It also says in the description that Rapunzel will play in theaters on December 1st.

Also, these trailers were four months after the title change, so if they were going to call it Tangled over here, they would have done so. Nothing so far indicates that they will.

[Jeremy]

I have read this thread for years now and posted only few times. And have to admit that all these speculations about the story and rant over the title is pretty ridiculous at times. But so entertaining.

And wow, all those pictures posted have made me so hungry to see more and to see the film finally, of course. And even though we know just a little tiny bit about the actual story, it really seems to be promising and magical. Almost pure old-school Disney even. Dare I say that I'm almost more anxious with this film than I was with TPATF? YES, even though I'd prefer hand drawn animation 100x more.

"Tangled" as a title doesn't bother me so much anymore and little by little I got over it. But just when I got fine with it I heard what it's going to be called here in Finland:
"Kaksin karkuteillä". Pretty close translation is "Two on the Run". (someone can give better translation if that's not close enough).
That's right. Could it get any worse than that? I was so hoping to get the original title for the story here "Tähkäpää", but I guess they made the same smart move here than in US. I sounds anything but the classical fairy-tale title. It suits batter for some B-comedy.
Well, the story is what counts after all, but seriously I could do anything to call it something as fine as "Tangled".

[robster16]

Uhmm, the trailers I saw in Holland called it TANGLED. Maybe the teaser trailer still used RAPUNZEL (can't remember), but the actual trailer says TANGLED.

the Dutch trailer calls it Rapunzel. Cinemas usually use trailers from the US. The Dutch Disney Youtube channel has trailers for Holland and Belgium referring to the film as Rapunzel. It also says in the description that Rapunzel will play in theaters on December 1st.

Also, these trailers were four months after the title change, so if they were going to call it Tangled over here, they would have done so. Nothing so far indicates that they will.

The official dutch website only confirms it:

http://www.disney.nl/rapunzel

WOOHOO! Rapunzel it is! No taglines, not subtitles, just the name of the original fairytale. PERFECT!

[CiciRose]

From DisneyTangled's facebook:


"18 years in one place forces you to develop hobbies--in Rapunzel’s case, she painted every inch of wall in her tower!"

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=6 ... 3565352984