Disney Plus (Streaming Service)

[estefan]

According to someone who used the Dutch beta test, Dumbo was left uncut.

So the Incredible Hulk, Cap and Doctor Strange movies ARE on there at launch? What about the Spider-Man Home (MCU) movies? Cory in the ouse? The Elena of Avalor and other Disney series shorts? Disney Enchanted Tales Follow Your Dreams?

I think Mooky meant those movies won't be on Disney+ on Day 1. They weren't listed on the official D23 list Sotiris shared earlier.

Sony owns the rights to the Spider-Man movies, so Disney would need to license the streaming rights from Sony in order to put them on Disney+. Ditto The Muppets Take Manhattan and Muppets from Space.

I do wonder when the likes of Pepper Ann and Buzz Lightyear of Star Command will appear. Those shows never got an official DVD or digital release, so I wonder if it's a matter of finding the original master tapes and properly remastering and organising them. Although The Weekenders did get a DVD release, via the Disney Movie Club, and that's not on Disney+, either.

[Sotiris]

According to someone who used the Dutch beta test, Dumbo was left uncut.

But as you said that was for the Dutch market. We already know that due to rights issues, international versions of Disney+ will not feature the same content as the U.S. one. I don't expect Dumbo to be edited anywhere else outside of North America. I suppose we'll find out soon enough.

[Big Disney Fan]

According to someone who used the Dutch beta test, Dumbo was left uncut.

So the Incredible Hulk, Cap and Doctor Strange movies ARE on there at launch? What about the Spider-Man Home (MCU) movies? Cory in the ouse? The Elena of Avalor and other Disney series shorts? Disney Enchanted Tales Follow Your Dreams?

I think Mooky meant those movies won't be on Disney+ on Day 1. They weren't listed on the official D23 list Sotiris shared earlier.

Sony owns the rights to the Spider-Man movies, so Disney would need to license the streaming rights from Sony in order to put them on Disney+. Ditto The Muppets Take Manhattan and Muppets from Space.

The plot thickens on "Dumbo". I also noticed from the list of Muppet shows that the original "Muppet Show" is missing, too. I thought Disney had the rights to that.

[Rumpelstiltskin]

I don't see how anyone can be offended by the crows. As for cutting; for some years now, the scene in Mickey's Trailer where Goofy accidentally makes a corncob produce popcorn when he sticks his for into an electrical outlet. I can understand that they are afraid that some children will try to do the same, but this short have been around for decades, and I have never heard about any child trying to make popcorn that way.
(There is also a short where Donald head butts a ram. Disney should cut away that as well, to prevent children from trying to do as Donald did.)

[Big Disney Fan]

I don't see how anyone can be offended by the crows. As for cutting; for some years now, the scene in Mickey's Trailer where Goofy accidentally makes a corncob produce popcorn when he sticks his for into an electrical outlet. I can understand that they are afraid that some children will try to do the same, but this short have been around for decades, and I have never heard about any child trying to make popcorn that way.
(There is also a short where Donald head butts a ram. Disney should cut away that as well, to prevent children from trying to do as Donald did.)

The scene of Goofy electrocuting himself was censored for a long, long time on the Disney Channel. As for the crows being censored, I'm sure we'll see something if the run time on the screen is less than 64 minutes, the full run time of "Dumbo".

[Avaitor]

Confirmation from Variety that Dumbo on Disney+ will be edited.

The Jim Crow character from the original “Dumbo” will be edited out for Disney Plus.

Source: https://variety.com/2019/film/news/song ... 203379940/

Just leave the movie off the service. Let the movie stay uncut on video and leave it at that.

[blackcauldron85]

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I also noticed from the list of Muppet shows that the original "Muppet Show" is missing, too. I thought Disney had the rights to that.

Seasons 4&5 were never released on DVD due to music licensing issues, IIRC. For S1-3, maybe they don't have the music licensing for streaming, just DVD?
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When a title leaves the service (I thought that wasn't even supposed to happen!?), it'll stay on your device if you downloaded it:
https://www.fandom.com/curated/disney-p ... ve-service

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It's estimated Disney will lose billions of $ on Disney+:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ ... al-1249545

[Big Disney Fan]

It's estimated Disney will lose billions of $ on Disney+:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ ... al-1249545

If Disney loses money on this thing, then doesn't that mean that Disney Plus will have failed? Which in turn means negative consequences not just for Disney, but all of Hollywood, too? And for Bob Iger's legacy? Doesn't he have to actually win the gamble? Because if you lose money, you will have lost the gamble.

[Sotiris]

When a title leaves the service (I thought that wasn't even supposed to happen!?), it'll stay on your device if you downloaded it.

That's due to the previous licensing deal Disney had with Netflix.

While a number of big movies are due to be available on Disney+ at launch—from Captain Marvel to Rogue One to Cars 3—some popular movies from 2016 to 2018 will be leaving Disney Plus in about six years and heading back over to Netflix. This is due to a licensing deal Disney struck with Netflix before Disney+ was a possibility. But not to worry. Not only will those titles eventually come back to Disney+ (their ultimate goal is to end all licensing agreements and host everything exclusively on Disney+), but you’ll be able to download them before they leave so you can watch them offline whenever you want.

Source: https://collider.com/can-you-keep-disne ... hey-leave/

[Sotiris]

Disney Analysts See Brighter Streaming Future Due To Verizon Distribution Deal
https://deadline.com/2019/10/disney-ana ... 202767465/

[Rumpelstiltskin]

Several years from now, Disney could return to Netflix:

https://observer.com/2019/06/netflix-di ... ws-movies/

As it turns out, life is cyclical and so too are many Hollywood licensing deals. Every Disney movie released between January 2016 and December 2018 that landed on Netflix—which includes massive blockbusters such as Black Panther, Rogue One: A Star Wars Story and Avengers: Infinity War—will return to the market-leading streamer around 2026, Bloomberg reports. Similar agreements have reportedly been struck for marquee titles from NBCU and WarnerMedia, per the report, although those conglomerates apparently retain additional licensing rights that could spur bidding wars among the streamers.

Unless of course, if Disney decides to pay Netflix for not showing their content.

Disney will lose money on their streaming service at first. One of the reasons is probably that they only charge you for $6.99 each month (some subscribers has been given an even better deal). They do this to attract subscribers, which is essential when you are launching a new service. Once they have established themselves, the price will go up, and gradually they will start to make profit. Having a lot of debt in the early phases is not unusual. How long it will take for them to get past this first early stage remains to be seen.

But as Iger says; sitting around and doing nothing would have been even more expensive in the long run.

[rodrigo_ca]

If Disney loses money on this thing, then doesn't that mean that Disney Plus will have failed? Which in turn means negative consequences not just for Disney, but all of Hollywood, too? And for Bob Iger's legacy? Doesn't he have to actually win the gamble? Because if you lose money, you will have lost the gamble.

Losing money as in they're not making their money back immediately. It is a calculated risk that they are going to be able to make that money back, especially when the service launches worldwide and in a few years. In the same paragraph it's said how the service should start generating money around 2024 and that has been said be experts ever since Disney announced it. Even Netflix doesn't make money exactly.

[blackcauldron85]

Thanks Sotiris + Rumpelstiltskin! I didn't remember reading that.

[Sotiris]

Disney+ downloads will disappear from devices if a title is pulled from the service
https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/24/209 ... x-bob-iger

[JeanGreyForever]

The link wouldn't work for me, but what exactly does that mean? What titles are anticipated to being removed from Disney+? If it's all their IPs they shouldn't be removing anything from the service.

[Sotiris]

Fixed the link. It means if a title ever leaves the service, the copy users may have downloaded for offline viewing will no longer work.

[JeanGreyForever]

Fixed the link. It means if a title ever leaves the service, the copy users may have downloaded for offline viewing will no longer work.

Thanks. But why would a title leave the service in this case though? Netflix, Amazon Prime, and Hulu titles fluctuate and go back and forth because their rights are up for grabs and sometimes expire or have to be renewed. But for Disney+, shouldn't they own all their titles?

[Rumpelstiltskin]

Thanks Sotiris + Rumpelstiltskin! I didn't remember reading that.

I actually meant to post it several weeks ago, but forgot all about it. And I now notice it has already been posted a few hours earlier. What are the odds?

And Disney better have some interesting original content (like The Mandalorian). The problem with Disney's animated classics is that I don't need them as a streaming service because I have already seen them all, and have a lot of them on DVD. But not all cartoons.
The same with some of the biggest hits like Indiana Jones, Star Wars, Pixar and Avatar and so on. I have seen them all, and those I haven't seen yet I have probably no interest in seeing.

What I haven't seen is a lot of the older live action movies, or TV-shows like Walt Disney's Wonderful World of Color where Walt himself is the host. These would be some of the main reasons for me to get Disney+. Even seeing the original Star Wars trilogy before Lucas started to tamper with them would help.

[Sotiris]

But why would a title leave the service in this case though?

It's due to the terms of the previous licensing deal Disney had struck with Netflix. Some titles released by Disney between the years 2016 and 2018 will go back to Netflix in 2026. It hasn't been revealed for how long Netflix will retain the streaming rights to those titles post-2026 but they will eventually return to Disney+.

[Disney's Divinity]

Absurd they've rereleased the film as it is for 80 years but NOW they decided to remove the crows?!? Well now I'm worried about Peter Pan and Lady and the Tramp. I'm glad I OWN the film on Blu-ray.

Like Big Disney Fan and estefan, I don’t believe the speculation about the crows from Dumbo, but you’ve hit the crucial point, farerb. The danger in Disney+ and Disney’s slow slide to no longer putting out physical releases of their films means you have no real ownership of the product anymore. They can change the restoration, lines, voice acting, scenes, etc. to the film's detriment at any moment in time and you won't be able to get it back. Disney+ sounds nice, but there's always a downside when it comes to Disney, it seems.