Are You Gay 2? It's a New, More Fabulous Thread!

[goofystitch]

Wow! There is a second one of these things now? I rarely come to the Off-Topic thread, but I remember when the original was started and it was a really heated discussion. I wrote a few times in there defending gay people against some of the homophobes that existed back then. At the time, I considered myself straight, even though I had never been with a girl and never desired to be. Needless to say, I eventually became comfortable with the fact that I am gay and have since come out of the closet. So this is my official "coming out" to UD.

My boyfriend and I have been in a relationship for a year and have known each other for 2 years. He is a huge Disney fan and lives in Orlando, where I will be spending all summer. My life really has been much happier ever since I came out. To anybody reading this who is gay and who thinks that their future doesn't look very bright, let me just say that I was once in your shoes. But don't let anybody tell you that you can't have everything you've ever dreamed of, because that isn't true. I'm almost done with school, I've found the person that I hope to spend the rest of my life with, and my future looks very bright (even in a darkened economy).

Things might seem dark right now because as LGTB people, we aren't afforded all of the same rights and privileges as straight people. However, unlike many LGBT people throughout history, we will probably live to see a day where we are given legal rights that are equivalent to those that straight people have.

While I do support legalizing gay marriage, what I really want is the same rights and protections under the law. I don't care what the government calls it. If its a civil union, thats fine with me as long as it is identical to a heterosexual marriage under the law. I have heard many people in the Obama administration say that they feel the same way. They don't want to change the definition of marriage because that has always been left up to the state, but they do want to see the same legal rights and protections granted to LGBT citizens.

[xxhplinkxx]

Aw, yay! Orlando homos!

Btw... are there any straight people left on UD anymore?

[Flanger-Hanger]

Btw... are there any straight people left on UD anymore?

I'd count Albert, but the whole Soap Opera thing, eh.

Netty is I think, or at least I'm pretty sure he is.

BTW, just bought my first issue of DNA (#109) and I like it so far.

[xxhplinkxx]

.........I know there are straight people. It was a rhetorical question.

[Isidour]

Btw... are there any straight people left on UD anymore?

What about me?

[Flanger-Hanger]

.........I know there are straight people. It was a rhetorical question.

But I felt like answering it anyway, half begin serious, half begin silly (guess which sentence was which).

[gumby17]

HEY! i havnt been on this thread in like a year! haha i think that the last time i was on it was literally the nigh that i first came out! which was like october(ish) 2007! haha

Tsk tsk.


Way to support your fellow homos.

AHHH i know! im bad.

[2099net]

Netty is I think, or at least I'm pretty sure he is.

If only I were. I understand fat and hairy can be desirable to certain gentlemen. More so than certain ladies.

I wouldn't say I frequent this thread often, but I pop-in every now and then. I'm fascinated why Disney films seem to have gathered such a gay following. It's not what I would have expected to be honest, Princesses or not.

I'm not so much a Disney-fan - since joining I've drifted further and further away from Disney really - but I am a big Doctor Who fan which has always had a huge gay fandom.

Several notable fans are gay, I've been to several conventions which were predominantly attended by gays and indeed, current Doctor Who is masterminded by Russell T Davies - creator of the original Queer as Folk and a very public gay man.

Indeed, the current production has a gay script editor, used to have a gay producer (he left mid-way through last season) and has several gay writers, has an openly gay actor in a popular re-occuring role (as a bi-sexual) as well as his own spin-off series. (Captain Jack Harkness) And all this is a "family show" shown around 7pm on the most popular channel in the UK and regularly attains over 8m viewers (often over 40% of the total viewing audience).

It also has one of the best gay-jokes ever too - the Master's Beard in the Childen-In-Need TimeCrash special (incidently, written by a straight writer).

I'm proud of the fact that the UK public has taken to new Who to warmly. Not only as a long time fan since the start of the 1980s, but also because I'm proud of the fact that we have a sci-fi show, shown at tea-time, watched by whole families, from young children to old grandparents, which a positive portrayal of homosexuals both in front and behind the camera.

So what am I saying? I don't really know. So I'll stop.

[Mooky]

10 Reasons Gay Marriage Should NOT Be Legalized

01) Being gay is not natural. Real Americans always reject unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester, and air conditioning.

02) Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.

03) Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.

04) Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all; women are still property, blacks still can't marry whites, and divorce is still illegal.

05) Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed; the sanctity of Britney Spears' 55-hour just-for-fun marriage would be destroyed.

06) Straight marriages are valid because they produce children. Gaycouples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn't be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren't full yet, and the world needs more children.

07) Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.

08) Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours,the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That's why we have only one religion in America.

09) Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children.

10) Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms. Just like we haven't adapted to cars, the service-sector economy, or longer life spans.

[Goliath]

Aw, yay! Orlando homos!

Btw... are there any straight people left on UD anymore?

Well, there's me...

[Escapay]

Btw... are there any straight people left on UD anymore?

I'd count Albert, but the whole Soap Opera thing, eh.

Why the hell is it so hard to believe there is such a thing as a male soap opera fan who isn't gay?

Tim Burton and Johnny Depp are fans of "Dark Shadows" (hence why they're making a movie remake), but that don't mean they're gay.

From Gerard J. Waggett's The Soap Opera Book of Lists, I'm listing only the males...

25 Famous Fans of the Daytime Soaps
Roy Rogers, cowboy star: "Guiding Light"
Michael Keaton, actor: "The Bold and the Beautiful"
Russell Baker, New York Times columnist: "All My Children"
John Malkovich, actor: "The Bold and the Beautiful"
Luther Vandross, singer: "All My Children," "One Life to Live," and "General Hospital"
Ron Palillo, Welcome Back Kotter's Horshack: "Another World"
Barry Gibb, 1/3 of the Bee Gees: "The Young and the Restless"
Van Cliburn, pianist: "All My Children" and "As the World Turns"
Prince, singer/musician: "General Hospital"
Prince Albert of Monaco: "The Young and the Restless"

10 Legendary Figures who watched the Daytime Soaps
Andy Warhol, pop artist: "As the World Turns"
Thurgood Marshall, Supreme Court Justice: "Days of our Lives"
Fritz Lang, movie director: "Dark Shadows"
Cole Porter, songwriter: "The Edge of Night"
P.G. Wodehouse, writer: "The Edge of Night"
Vincent Price, horror movie actor: "Dark Shadows"
Tennessee Williams, playwright: "Another World" and "From These Roots" (Williams actually gave FTR a rare compliment when he accused his agent of selling his unpublished story ideas to the series.)

12 Professional Athletes who watch the Soaps
Wayne Gretzky: "The Young and the Restless", "One Life to Live", and "General Hospital"
Cal Ripkin, Jr.: "The Young and the Restless"
Sugar Ray Leonard: "The Young and the Restless"
Danny Sullivan: "All My Children"
Dave Justice: "The Young and the Restless"
Isiah Thomas: "All My Children", "One Life to Live", "Guiding Light"
Dave Cone: "All My Children"
Warren Moon: "The Young and the Restless" and "All My Children"
Barry Bonds: "One Life to Live" and "Guiding Light"
Flipper Anderson: "The Young and the Restless"
Tommy Hearns: "The Young and the Restless"
Charles Barkley: "All My Children"

6 Soap Fans in the White House
President George Bush: "All My Children"
President Ronald Reagan: "Santa Barbara"

10 Celebrities who got to appear on their favorite soaps
Sammy Davis, Jr.: "Love of Life", "One Life to Live", and "General Hospital". He received an Emmy nomination in 1980 for his cameo on "One Life to Live"
Liberace: "Another World"

It also has one of the best gay-jokes ever too - the Master's Beard in the Childen-In-Need TimeCrash special (incidently, written by a straight writer).

I forgot about that line.

5th Doctor: Has the Master still got that ridiculous beard?

10th Doctor: No, no beard... well, a wife...

albert

[goofystitch]

2099net wrote:

I'm fascinated why Disney films seem to have gathered such a gay following.

I read an article about this once in a psychological journal and I wish I had saved the link. Its something that I couldn't really explain until I read it, but it all made sense to me. Most gay people feel so oppressed as children because they don't feel that their surroundings allow them to be "themselves." As a result, they greatly identify with stories such as Cinderella (oppressed by her family), Dumbo (not accepted by his own people), Snow White (driven away by her only family and goes to live with a group of outsiders), The Little Mermaid (not allowed to love who she wants to love), Peter Pan (the freedom to do what you want without regulation), Pocahontas (falling in love with somebody your people don't approve of), and the list pretty much goes on and on. In addition, many gay people find themselves fixated on things that are "over the top," and so the fantasy element to most Disney films is appealing. Disney movies become a form of escape from their ordinary lives and take them to a place the doesn't really exist.

In addition, Disney theme parks also offer that escape from reality that many gay people love. I attribute this to the reason that a lot of gay people work at Disney parks and why both US resorts (WDW and Disneyland) are visited annually during Gay Days.

Has anybody else read articles that are similar? Or does anybody else have a different view as to why so many LGBT people develop a lifelong love for Disney?

[Flanger-Hanger]

Why the hell is it so hard to believe there is such a thing as a male soap opera fan who isn't gay?

albert

It's called joking.

We need more smilies to describe emotions.

[Escapay]

Why the hell is it so hard to believe there is such a thing as a male soap opera fan who isn't gay?

albert

It's called joking.

We need more smilies to describe emotions.

I know. I just get annoyed when people make statements about soap operas that are based on stereotypes (only women like soaps, only gay men like soaps, soaps are the ugly stepchild of tv, nobody talented ever came from a soap opera, etc.)

albert

[Disney Duster]

Netty, sorry to hear you're less of a Disney fan. It grew less, you say? But thank you for staying around here and talking about Disney films. What'r your favorite Disney films?

Goliath, you may have already known, but the Bible is believed to be inspired by men, possibly to the extent that God was speaking through these authors' pens. I currently believe the Bible was a little changed and edited by imperfect humans...and a lot of it on purpose, meaning even in religion, the people in charge are still sinful.

It is also supposed to be believed that they were not making up stories, but writing down what they had heard, as well as what came through to them from God. The Bible is not always literal or clear, though, so they may not believe in example that God made the world in seven days so much as God commanded everything to be made, and it was, is the point.

Sometimes not wanting to know information is wise, it can make you happier. It's only bad if not knowing is very detrimental to other people. In which case, the rights of us homos may call for getting more info out there about why homosexuality could have been thought wrong, why other rules in the Bible aren't adhered to but no homosex is, and how homosexuality may not have even been in the Bible originally, as a sin, at least.

Speaking of the thrown out rules, the New Testament recorded Jesus saying that some old rules no longer needed to be adhered to, but more than that, homosexuality is listed in other places as being wrong. At least...what's in it today, in the translations we have...

No, I'm not saying human beings should act like animals, but they're living proof that being gay is natural.

But humans *are* animals. We can pretend we're not, because we want to feel superior, but biologically speaking, we are.

We should strive and strive to be human, something above animals. Scientists decided to classify us as animals. Homosexuality was also listed as a mental illness once by doctors. We can decide what we want. We are more than animals, it's not pretend. We are so much more. Don't forget it.

[Disney's Divinity]

mooky_7_sa, I found that list a long time ago. It's been pinned on my wall for the past year.

[Mooky]

A-ha! I always knew there was something queer about Cogsworth, Ratcliffe, Wiggins and Jumba :

M*A*S*H star David Ogden Stiers has come out as gay - after years of fearing he would be denied roles because of his sexuality.

The actor first tasted fame as Major Charles Winchester on the hit TV comedy before finding steady work as a voice actor in several Disney projects, including Beauty And The Beast and Pocahontas.

But throughout his career, he was warned he risked losing work if he came out as a gay man.

He tells the Gossip Boy blog, "From the late 1980s until about seven or eight years ago, you would find certain individuals coming up to you, me, and advocating the position that since we were doing family fare that it would be best were the actors to maintain a certain palatability to parents.

"These parties likely had heard rumors or harbored suspicions about me and wanted to make sure no embarrassing incidents were forthcoming."

But he insists his reasons for coming out now, at the age of 66, have nothing to do with his profession - he wants to find a life partner.

Stiers adds: "I could claim noble reasons as coming out in order to move gay rights forward, but I must admit it is for far more selfish reasons. Now is the time I wish to find someone and I do not desire to force any potential partner to live a life of extreme discretion for me."

http://www.gossip-boy.com/DOS.html

"See kids, it's not only watching Disney movies that will turn you gay, you can get infected with it just by working for them!"

[Jack Skellington]

Isn't 66 a really old age to come out ? Srew your career, love should always come first.

[Mooky]

Yeah, well, it was his decision to make. Nobody should judge him for waiting this long, whatever his reasons were. Either way, good for him.

[PatrickvD]

10 Legendary Figures who watched the Daytime Soaps
Andy Warhol, pop artist: "As the World Turns"

Ha! That explains everything. I've always been fascinated by Warhol.

Too bad ATWT has turned into the worst soap opera on the planet. It's so bloody awful now I need to let it go

anyway, thanks for sharing that list. It's awesome. I actually read about a book recently that studied the whole soap phenomenon. The writer was an educated woman who kept wondering why the hell she enjoyed filth like All My Children. It's pretty funny.