Frog Princess found & renamed!

PeterPanfan · Post by **PeterPanfan** » Mon May 05, 2008 4:25 pm

I'm sure Rapunzel will be added to the Princess line when the movie comes out, but they are going to have a lot of Princesses if they keep adding every new one they produce.

Disney's Divinity · Post by **Disney's Divinity** » Mon May 05, 2008 6:22 pm

Unless they make her look flat in the animation, Rapunzel would be extremely out-of-place among the other princesses and I believe it would be a good decision to disclude her (just like they did with Giselle).

PeterPanfan · Post by **PeterPanfan** » Mon May 05, 2008 7:12 pm

Disney's Divinity wrote:(just like they did with Giselle).

You have practically just given yourself away for an attack from Ariel'sprince.

singerguy04 · Post by **singerguy04** » Mon May 05, 2008 9:33 pm

PeterPanfan wrote:
Disney's Divinity wrote:(just like they did with Giselle).
You have practically just given yourself away for an attack from Ariel'sprince.

but it's true, it's not like he can really defend it. lol

Poody · Post by **Poody** » Mon May 05, 2008 10:01 pm

Disney's Divinity wrote:Unless they make her look flat in the animation, Rapunzel would be extremely out-of-place among the other princesses and I believe it would be a good decision to disclude her (just like they did with Giselle).

I'm sure she'll have her own merchandise with 3D photos includes at first, for awhile. She'll probably be thrown in with the other hoes later on, drawn in a similar 2D clip art style.

Rumpelstiltskin · Post by **Rumpelstiltskin** » Tue May 06, 2008 3:31 am

Disney's Divinity wrote:Unless they make her look flat in the animation, Rapunzel would be extremely out-of-place among the other princesses and I believe it would be a good decision to disclude her (just like they did with Giselle).

First, Enchanted is not a part of the official canon. There also exists two versions of Giselle; one animated and one live-action, but that's the least of the problems.

Second, no one of the other princesses looks like they do in their original appearances. When drawn by hand in a movie, each character is mass produced, and this leaves a look that is usually not used by artists who draws them in pictures and posters later. The 3D impression of Rapunzel is not visible when printed on paper in a comic, magazine or book.
It should be obvious that Rapunzel will be drawn in just the same style as the other princesses when drawn together. Or animated in the same style if there is going to be any direct-to-video release later, which is more likely now when Steve Jobs has a strong position at Disney.

Jules · Post by **Jules** » Tue May 06, 2008 4:27 am

Rather off-topic, but since you mentioned the official canon I wish Disney still acknowledged it. We all know that in reality there's nothing 'official' about the official canon because it no longer exists, in the US at least.

The animated classics are for Disney just a group of films made by Walt Disney Animation Studios to be mixed with any other animated or live-action film in their library.

blackcauldron85 · Post by **blackcauldron85** » Tue May 06, 2008 9:45 am

Giselle isn't even a princess, though, so she really doesn't belong in the Princess Collection (but Princess Nancy could be in the Princess Collection). Even though there have been Tinker Bell, Mulan, & Esmeralda dolls in the Princess Collection. Pocahontas should be included more in the Princess Collection- she's the chief's daughter, which translates into a princess-type role. And some legitimate princesses (Eilonwy, Kida) aren't even in the Princess Collection.

Sorry I'm ranting about the Princess Collection...If Tiana will indeed be a princess, and if her movie does well, then we probably should expect to see her joining the Collection, and the same for Rapunzel.

I'm very confused- I don't even remember if I'm in the "Rapunzel" thread or in the "Princess and the Frog" thread, so I'm going to hit submit...

Disney's Divinity · Post by **Disney's Divinity** » Tue May 06, 2008 10:09 am

Rumpelstiltskin wrote: . The 3D impression of Rapunzel is not visible when printed on paper in a comic, magazine or book.

Really? Because every piece of merchandise for the Pixar films still gives a 3D impression to me. Except in cases where they've dramatically altered their characters' designs into 2D, losing the entire feel that was created by their respective films.

It should be obvious that Rapunzel will be drawn in just the same style as the other princesses when drawn together.

But that's exactly my point: they shouldn't have to change her appearance to force her to fit in the Princess line. Not only would it cheapen the movie she came from, but it would also cause confusion over who she is (as Rapunzel will not look the way she does in the film). So what if the other princesses have slight differences from their original counterparts? There's still no mistaking who they are the way people will undoubtebly be confused by the Rapunzel anomaly. If they had wanted her to be a part of a 2D line, then they should've simply animated her in 2D. With Tiana, I'm not in the least bit opposed to her inclusion, because she shares that common bond with the other "princess" films.

yukitora · Post by **yukitora** » Tue May 06, 2008 10:13 am

Disney's Divinity wrote:
Rumpelstiltskin wrote: . The 3D impression of Rapunzel is not visible when printed on paper in a comic, magazine or book.
Really? Because every piece of merchandise for the Pixar films still gives a 3D impression to me. Except in cases where they've dramatically altered their characters' designs into 2D, losing the entire feel that was created by their respective films.

Rumpelstiltskin may have meant "popping out of screen" 3D...

Imo, the flat 3D image can easily look 2D by removing the gradients and texture.

Ariel'sprince · Post by **Ariel'sprince** » Tue May 06, 2008 10:32 am

Enchanted wasn't sucessful? and Giselle is a Disney Princess,only her animated version,thouhgt her part is to promote Enchanted and she's a side Princess,with Pocahontas and Mulan.
Rapunzel was CGI from long time but besides-If the Princess line wasn't sucessful the Frog and the Princess wasn't made.
About Rapunzel-Pixar merchandise has 2D cliparts for books,puzzels and etc.,so they can do the same thing with Rapunzel (Thought by the way-There's also animated cliparts of Jack Sparrow and Mary Poppins).
And Amy-Don't forget that the Frog is a prince so she"ll be a Princess like Cinderella.
Well,the only real Princesses are Snow White,Aurora,Jasmine,Ariel and Pocahontas because they"re daughters of kings,Cinderella and Belle and maybe Tiana are Princesses from marrige (Thought,aren't they queens? not princesses?) and Giselle and Mulan aren't real Princesses.

supertalies · Post by **supertalies** » Tue May 06, 2008 10:43 am

Ariel'sprince wrote:About Rapunzel-Pixar merchandise has 2D cliparts for books,puzzels and etc.,so they can do the same thing with Rapunzel (Thought by the way-There's also animated cliparts of Jack Sparrow and Mary Poppins).
And Amy-Don't forget that the Frog is a prince so she"ll be a Princess like Cinderella.

That is exactly what I said!
But wasn't Tiana supposed to be a princess, because people complained about the fact she was a 'black' chambermaid?

Ariel'sprince · Post by **Ariel'sprince** » Tue May 06, 2008 10:56 am

supertalies wrote:
Ariel'sprince wrote:About Rapunzel-Pixar merchandise has 2D cliparts for books,puzzels and etc.,so they can do the same thing with Rapunzel (Thought by the way-There's also animated cliparts of Jack Sparrow and Mary Poppins).
And Amy-Don't forget that the Frog is a prince so she"ll be a Princess like Cinderella.
That is exactly what I said!
But wasn't Tiana supposed to be a princess, because people complained about the fact she was a 'black' chambermaid?

Right

.
The Frog is a prince,so she"ll a princess like Cinderella and Belle (From Marrige).
But doesn't that make them queens insted of princesses?.

Poody · Post by **Poody** » Tue May 06, 2008 11:24 am

supertalies wrote: That is exactly what I said!
But wasn't Tiana supposed to be a princess, because people complained about the fact she was a 'black' chambermaid?

As I remember, in the early news reported.... she would be the princess of mardi gra or something....

Ariel'sprince · Post by **Ariel'sprince** » Tue May 06, 2008 11:53 am

Poody wrote:
supertalies wrote: That is exactly what I said!
But wasn't Tiana supposed to be a princess, because people complained about the fact she was a 'black' chambermaid?
As I remember, in the early news reported.... she would be the princess of mardi gra or something....

Don't forget that she"ll merry a prince.

supertalies · Post by **supertalies** » Tue May 06, 2008 4:45 pm

Oh..I thought she was supposed to be a ''born'' royal.

My mistake ,I guess....

Sotiris · Post by **Sotiris** » Tue May 06, 2008 5:01 pm

supertalies wrote:Oh..I thought she was supposed to be a ''born'' royal.
My mistake ,I guess....

I think she still is. First she was supposed to be a chambermaid looking after a ssinging diva and then marrying the prince thus becoming a princess but after the controversy over her original "cindrella" character thy have changed it into already being a princess and stll marrying the prince.

Disney Duster · Post by **Disney Duster** » Tue May 06, 2008 5:42 pm

Ariel'sprince wrote:
supertalies wrote: That is exactly what I said!
But wasn't Tiana supposed to be a princess, because people complained about the fact she was a 'black' chambermaid?
Right .
The Frog is a prince,so she"ll a princess like Cinderella and Belle (From Marrige).
But doesn't that make them queens insted of princesses?.

Only after the King has died, so the Prince becomes King and his princess the Queen. Though the Beast's parents seem to be absent, but as long as the movie says he's only a prince, Belle's only a princess. I guess he could have been a prince when he was younger, then his parents left him when he became a beast and now he's king? The movie's really vague...

Sotiris · Post by **Sotiris** » Tue May 06, 2008 5:53 pm

I don't think it should matter if they are Queens or Princesses as long as they are loyalty by either blood or marriage...

PeterPanfan · Post by **PeterPanfan** » Tue May 06, 2008 7:20 pm

I don't really understand the plot of this yet. Can someone explain it to me?

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