Whew, here's my big response post. hope ya endure through it. lol
Chernabog_Rocks wrote:
Have you seen anime? I don't mean the dubbed versions either that you see here in North America either, watch the original shows, the content for one is much more mature, the animation is often amazing or very well done. The storytelling just as amazing. I would take a lot of anime shows over any of the crap we get today from YTV, Nick or Teletoon.
Rob us of good shows indeed, we're the ones being robbed of the original versions and getting the dubbed versions instead.
There is something called a DVD. might wanna check into that. They have Japanese lang with subtitles! SHOCK!!!
Even so, you are thinking of anime dubbed back from the 80's and 90's or 4Kids.
Nowadays, the Dubs have greatly improved a whole hell lot better. And even if the anime on TV was edited, get the damn DVD. They have it uncut, both sub and dub.
Seriously this Sub vs. Dub crap gives me a fucking headache.
Disney Duster wrote:Well I've heard that anime is just cheaper to make. Also, younger people crave it. I don't care how adult a lot of anime is, it is most loved in America by preteens, teenagers and college kids.
You be surprise how many adults like anime here in America. Some are in their 30's or even 40's.
Disney Duster wrote:And it's easy to see why. The characters don't move very much or very well. It's considered a different style, but often the characters just make poses and their mouths move. What makes up for it is the drawings are very anatomical and detailed,
Their backgrounds are also highly more detailed and elaborate.
Also what makes up for less limited animation, is that is has superior dynamic action and poses.
Sure Disney does much better animations
(Which is also due to the fact that-
A: It is a high budget making film.
and
B: It's a mostly a Film as oppose to a TV series, which is easiler to work on fluid movements)
But, better fluid movements and animation aren't ALWAYS better than the dynamics action movements that many have.
For instance, Prince Phillip's fight with the dragon. Phillip's sword fight action may of been more fluid, more real, more corrected, but it doesn't always made it more interesting. Where as for example,
Mifune from
Soul Eater, have shown some outlandish movements, reactions, speed, and techniques to fully blow away the audience in the way he was fighting. Like using over 20 japanese katana and using some of em by throwing them into the ground and using them as platforms to travel across. or use his foot to wield a katana.
Enough of that rambling.
Disney Duster wrote: But other than that, Japan also allows kids to see a lot more than America does.
American dubs aren't Cut anymore like 10 years ago or so. Go watch anime DVD if you don't believe me.
Disney Duster wrote:Though, for a show aimed at little girls (but popular with everyone!) called Sailor Moon, parents called and complained about the main characters dying in the first season (to be brought back to life later). So, they still don't want kids to see everything a grown up can handle.
I call bullshit on that one. Can't handle a death scene? What about the Lion King? That had a death scene. Don't hear parent complaining there do you?
Parents nowadays are just crappy and aren't responsible enough to blame for their own bad parenting. Just whine and about the biggest bullcrap.
Disney Duster wrote:Me, I love certain anime, especially Sailor Moon! But Disney animation is by far superior.
I said it earlier, but comparing Anime to Disney feature animations is like comparing apple to oranges.
Disney Duster wrote:Anime may be very anatomical and detailed and shadowed, but Disney still often makes more realistic, and realistically moving, or moving at all animation.
I said this before and just clarify it here as well, the backgrounds are more detailed in anime and they usually carry better dynamics in to the picture.
Disney Duster wrote:but nothing like the complaints that every anime character looks the same. Shave their heads and remove their clothes and color, and it's almost impossible to tell characters apart, for a lot of anime, not all.
This is only true when talking about Moe series or Anime based on Dating Sim games.
Compare this:
http://animewriter.files.wordpress.com/ ... r-op-2.jpg
to
This:
http://manga-archives.com/archive/Berserk/Berserk.jpg
Disney Duster wrote:Aaaand because Disney's animation looks and moves more convincingly, it also makes the emotions and personality more convincing! You feel more from Disney animation! Notice I said from the animation, not the actual stories or events, which anime often aspires to be super dramatic with.
I'm iffy on this one.
littlefuzzy wrote:
Many anime titles are based on popular manga (Japanese serialized comics and graphic novels.) These stories usually come from an individual creator who writes and draws the manga (sometimes with assistants.) American comics, on the other hand, are often owned by a company such as Marvel, and the writers and illustrators work within an already created universe.
Just want to add that the manga artist do work in a magazine companies where their manga is serialize. Only difference is that Manga artist have more liberties with their work and can make up their own series as oppose to what you said, littlefuzzy.
pap64 wrote:
Despite this, though, I admire anime for one thing; ANYTHING can be made into an anime.
So True.
Yakitate! Japan is a prime example.
pap64 wrote:In the US animation is mostly seen as a comedic or children's medium. If the series is aimed at adults, its likely vulgar and comedic. Adult animation is never seen as a serious format. Just watch "Squidbillies" on Adult Swim, then watch "Death Note" on the same block and you'll see what I mean.
Death Note isn't an adult animation series. It's a series aim for young boys. It ran in Shonan Jump a manga magazine aimed for young boys.
Big Disney Fan wrote:Yeah, people these days are too cheap for quality animation, I guess. Then again, call me old-fashioned, but I doubt I will ever like any anime at all, regardless of what language spoken.
Even American TV animation is CHEAP. What separates the two is that in anime, the put effort in creating a elaborate and well contracted story and continued serial events, rather than being episodic.
pap64 wrote:
I also hate the US dub because they messed the storyline up just so they could get some Lindsay Lohan jokes in. They tried to turn Shin-chan into a South Park wannabe. The REAL series does have some strong jokes, but its all poking fun at childhood innocence. They also changed the storylines of some characters, which really annoyed me.
I don't mind the dub. And for the reason for the "changes" is because Crayon Shin-Chan is HEAVILY relies on humor only Japanese would get. It would be very hard and very stressful to literally translate what's being said without an American going...."HUH?!". They made this changes for American get a laugh out of it. What does remain faithfully is the characters' personalities and overall basic story of the episode.
pap64 wrote:Just don't show it(Shin Chan) to kids...Really.
Originally Crayon Shin Chan IS marketed to kids. The Reason Funimation aimed it to "adults" is due to cultural differences between two countries.
It's funny how his style was inspired by American Cartoons like Felix the Cat or Betty Boop. Now Japanese Anime has inspired American Animation with shows like Teen Titans and Ben Ten.
