Song of the South on Dvd Discussion & Speculation Thread

Mr. Toad · Post by **Mr. Toad** » Tue Aug 23, 2005 4:37 pm

And the rumours of the 60th Anniversary of Song of the South next year have been posted too.

Post by **Luke** » Tue Aug 23, 2005 6:14 pm

You can use the Treasures press release thread to discuss Rarities:
http://www.ultimatedisney.com/forum/vie ... hp?t=10788

To discuss <i>Song of The South</i>, use this:
http://www.ultimatedisney.com/forum/vie ... php?t=7517

It's just easier to keep discussion to existing threads on these same topics. Thanks.

Wonderlicious · Post by **Wonderlicious** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:56 am

Sorry to bump this thread, but I just noticed in a Cinderella/Toy Story thread a cover for a gift set at Walmart (not the widely available one, just a store exclusive). As well as containing the DVD, it has a CD of Disney tracks, and the cover has a bit of Song of the South on it. Could it be another sign that Disney will be releasing this and are trying to remind people of it after all these years?

Andy · Post by **Andy** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 12:40 pm

Wonderlicious wrote:Sorry to bump this thread, but I just noticed in a Cinderella/Toy Story thread a cover for a gift set at Walmart (not the widely available one, just a store exclusive). As well as containing the DVD, it has a CD of Disney tracks, and the cover has a bit of Song of the South on it. Could it be another sign that Disney will be releasing this and are trying to remind people of it after all these years?

Hopefully so!

DaveWadding · Post by **DaveWadding** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 1:34 pm

Wonderlicious wrote:Sorry to bump this thread, but I just noticed in a Cinderella/Toy Story thread a cover for a gift set at Walmart (not the widely available one, just a store exclusive). As well as containing the DVD, it has a CD of Disney tracks, and the cover has a bit of Song of the South on it. Could it be another sign that Disney will be releasing this and are trying to remind people of it after all these years?

Or the more logical explanation: Zip-A-Dee-Do-DAH is on the CD?

Alan · Post by **Alan** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 1:47 pm

Whats so racially bad about this movie? (I haven't seen it yet)

Wonderlicious · Post by **Wonderlicious** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 1:48 pm

DaveWadding wrote:Or the more logical explanation: Zip-A-Dee-Do-DAH is on the CD?

True, but one could suggest that they are even just putting the track on to make people remember the film. In all honesty, this film probably isn't as well known as the other films that have been put on the cover (due to it's vaultedness), so it could be said that they are trying to rejig memories a bit with this CD and DVD set.

Alan wrote:Whats so racially bad about this movie? (I haven't seen it yet)

In my opinion, it's not all that racist (I have seen it as I live in the UK where it's never really been viewed as a threat). There are a few characters that could be classed as stereotypical (there's a mammy and an evident somewhat snooty class divide), but aside from that, it's not all that bad and considering not that many people make a fuss about other Disney features that have elements which aren't exactly politically correct (such as Peter Pan with its "indians"), I can't understand why the release of this film could cause law suits and riots.

KinOO · Post by **KinOO** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:02 pm

it's not Racist, it's just the Eisner's stupid POLITICALLY CORRECT thing, just as dumb as to digitally reduce the breasts of Lindsay Lohan in Herbie! !

GhostHost · Post by **GhostHost** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 7:42 pm

KinOO wrote:it's not Racist, it's just the Eisner's stupid POLITICALLY CORRECT thing, just as dumb as to digitally reduce the breasts of Lindsay Lohan in Herbie! !

Lohan's breasts were digitally reduced

Reduced breats never help box office sales, maybe the dvd will have a special viewing mode.

Anyway, SOTS is a great movie which I have a DVD-R of, bring on the 2-disc set

Timon/Pumbaa fan · Post by **Timon/Pumbaa fan** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 7:52 pm

KinOO wrote:it's not Racist, it's just the Eisner's stupid POLITICALLY CORRECT thing, just as dumb as to digitally reduce the breasts of Lindsay Lohan in Herbie! !

Actually Eisner had NOTHING to do with this. I mean he wants to release this(he knows it'll make alot of money

) but it's audiences who get offended too easily that don't want to release it. So blaming Eisner for it not getting released is odd because it's those whiners who force Eisner to make these decisions.

KinOO · Post by **KinOO** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:26 am

No, if the executives had the GUTS to release it, they would! The offended audience is ridiculously serious in America, only in America people get FREAKED OUT because of Janet Jackson's nipple! In this optic, i can understant why the studios executives took such stupid decision!

singerguy04 · Post by **singerguy04** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:30 pm

KinOO wrote:No, if the executives had the GUTS to release it, they would! The offended audience is ridiculously serious in America, only in America people get FREAKED OUT because of Janet Jackson's nipple! In this optic, i can understant why the studios executives took such stupid decision!

Europe and the U.S. are very different in many different ways. people will get offended for different things in different places. Because we have such a large black population and most of them can trace their ancestorhood to slaves, such a movie could pose as a problem. i agree that people should suck up and just deal with it, but then again you have to respect people and understand what things stand for. Just because the Disney company doesn't want to offend people, doesn't mean that they are stupid. As for the Janet Jackson thing... that was blown WAY to far out of proportion. i think most of america cared as much as the rest of the world did.

i hope song of the south does get a releaste soon bc from what i understand it's a great movie! [/b]

KinOO · Post by **KinOO** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:44 pm

Because we have such a large black population and most of them can trace their ancestorhood to slaves, such a movie could pose as a problem

Oh yeah big deal, and we all saw how BUSH treated those "people Disney don't want to offend" the last days in Louisiana...

By the way, Europe has just as many as, if not more, black population, and not counting the Arabian people (who didn't get offended by the Return of Jafar release by the way) and the Asian people (who didn't neither get offended by the sacrilegious Mulan II.)....

Second degree everyone!

Edge · Post by **Edge** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 6:39 pm

Okay let's not turn the dang thread into a political debate about cultures and what makes them angry, etc. I can see that getting really ugly really fast, especially with two high profile countries that stir a lot of emotion like the U.S. and France.

Having said that, I don't have a problem with Song of the South. I don't think it is racist and it has to be taken into context for A. The time period the movie is supposed to take place and B. The time the movie was actually made.

Ironically I dont really even think the movie is that "great". It's slow and plodding at times and the big fuss is only because of the "controversy" with the movie. The reality of the movie is that its good, nothing terribly special aside from the fact that it features a song that has become a huge part of disney lore.

Roger Rabbit · Post by **Roger Rabbit** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 6:45 pm

I did not see Song of the South as racist, but I did see it as historically inaccurate (similar to Disney's Pocahontas--don't believe everything you see on the screen). I think it's that false impression is what causes all the trouble, yet I hardly see anyone complaining about Pocahontas.

I'd like to have SOTS on dvd - officially. I know there are sites out there that can get it to me for about $25 but I want the real thing.

Little Red Henski · Post by **Little Red Henski** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 7:21 pm

I own a bootleg Song of the South DVD and I watch it every Febuary. That film is not racist! My Mother bought me a Song of the South book when I was a child. Than again my parents do come from a French country.

Timon/Pumbaa fan · Post by **Timon/Pumbaa fan** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:21 pm

Yeah I've never seen why this movie is considered racist.

I mean James Baskett(the actor who played Uncle Remus) was the first black man to ever receive an oscar. So much for being racist against blacks!

Also why can they show "That's So Raven" and "The Proud Family"?

Mr. Toad · Post by **Mr. Toad** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:00 pm

Kin - so you don't think slavery was a big deal?

KinOO · Post by **KinOO** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 4:29 am

i didn't say that! ! !

Slavery is as much important to be remembered as the Shoah or Rwanda genocide, but WHY THE HELL this stupid veto because it is "historically uncorrect"? Steven Spielberg made Schindler List and this year's Hotel Rwanda was an excellent movie, and about Slavery, didn't Amistad dealt with it already, and what about Mel Gibson's The Patriot? Gone with the Wind????. This is just a dumb and hypocrit position from Disney not to release Songs of the South.

ohmahaaha · Post by **ohmahaaha** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 6:04 am

You know, the hot debate back and forth as listed in the several posts above, I think, is EXACTLY why Disney would be hesitant to release "Song of the South." You don't see too much back and forth about whether or not they should release "Cinderella."

I would love to see "SOTS" released because I think the story is a basic, good Disney story, and the animation is stand out from the studio's heyday. But - just becase James Baskett received an Oscar does not mean that racist and stereotypical attitudes were not prevalent at the time. Those attitudes show through.

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