Pixar's Brave - Part II

jazzflower92 · Post by **jazzflower92** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:21 am

carolinakid wrote:EW gave Brave a B. Ironically they felt the weakest parts were the "Disney" style elements and they wish it had been more purely Pixar, whatever that means...

Well,at least its a passing grade and a B is above average so it could be good in its own merit.I think Brave might become either like Monster Inc or A Bug's Life in terms of recognition.

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbc ... /120629997

Well,Mr.Ebert gave this move 3 out of four stars so it is getting some recognition.He doe say its nothing groundbreaking but at the same time he does find the story fascinating and likes the daughter and mother plotline.

RyGuy · Post by **RyGuy** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:41 am

SWillie! wrote: If the Disney company made a porno, then yes it would be a Disney story. Whether or not you or anyone thinks it should be is completely irrelevant. If the Walt Disney company creates a story, then it is a fact that said story is a Disney story. Based on lawful rights to the Disney name.

Ahhhh. But would it have the Disney essence?

"Coming this Holiday Season only to Theatres: Disney's Carmina Burana."

qindarka · Post by **qindarka** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:50 am

What do people mean when they say a movie is Disney-like or Pixar-like anyway? It's not like they produce the same thing all the time or have the same style all the time.

Disney Duster · Post by **Disney Duster** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 12:30 pm

SWillie! wrote:If the Disney company made a porno, then yes it would be a Disney story. Whether or not you or anyone thinks it should be is completely irrelevant. If the Walt Disney company creates a story, then it is a fact that said story is a Disney story. Based on lawful rights to the Disney name.

I'm surprised at you valuing the written law over morality or the one you're more inclined to listen to, what the Disney name means, the meaning given to the word in the first place, what it is. If the heads at Disney wanted to change the name and their contract didn't forbid it they could rename Disney to be The Poop Company and destroy all their movies and just make pornos and you'd think that was all totally factually right.

DisneyJedi wrote:Technically, since Disney distributes Pixar's movies, that makes them Disney movies.

Disney owns the Muppets and Marvel, that doesn't make them Disney movies. They own ESPN, that doesn't make it Disney Channel.

pap64 wrote:Wreck it Ralph IS a classic Disney story, just told in a modern way.

Think about it...

What do the best and most popular Disney movies have in common? An outcast/emotionally abused character that yearns for more than their provinsial life.

Belle, Cinderella, Aladdin, Pinocchio, Milo, Chicken Little and many more had that issue. What is Ralph's issue? He is tired of being a video game villain because he feels he doesn't get enough respect. In other words... HE WANTS MORE.

He may not singing an Alan Menken song about it, but he certainly feels that way. Like other Disney heroes, he sets out on a journey to discover who he is and what he is capable of. It's a classic Disney story that's presented in a modern way and with a modern subject: video games.

But we are dealing with Disney Duster logic here, so we might as well make this argument to a cat. At least he will listen .

Yea. It has those elements. Doesn't mean they ruined it with how it's from a villain's point of view or how Disney never felt this modern or violent before or just how different and un-magical and un-Disney it feels.

DisneyAnimation88 · Post by **DisneyAnimation88** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 12:40 pm

pap64 wrote:But we are dealing with Disney Duster logic here, so we might as well make this argument to a cat. At least he will listen Razz .

Truer words were never spoken

. And everything you and SWillie! have said is completely correct but we all know that when it comes to the "essence", only one person knows all the answers and has the privilege of deciding what is and what isn't Disney.

Disney Duster wrote:Yea. It has those elements. Doesn't mean they ruined it with how it's from a villain's point of view or how Disney never felt this modern or violent before or just how different and un-magical and un-Disney it feels.

Every thread about a WDAS film gets bogged down in these pointless and nonsensical lectures about "Disney essence" and "un-Disney", let's not let the same thing happen to threads which are intended to be used for discussion about Pixar films.

SWillie! · Post by **SWillie!** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 12:54 pm

Agreed. So anyways, we have our tickets to see Brave tonight at midnight at Downtown Disney, and I'm really excited because seeing a new Disney release is always a blast at midnight Downtown Disney screenings because it's mostly fellow Cast Members who are SUPER excited. Should be a great time!

sunhuntin · Post by **sunhuntin** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:48 pm

Hogi Bear wrote:
Our cinema didn't show the Tinker Bell preview, but it has been renamed that in the last year or so from Winter Woods. Our cinema showed Ice Age 4, Finding Nemo and Madagascar 3, I have a funny feeling that Finding Nemo was shown in 2D.

the tink preview gave me the impression it was tacked on somehow. it was separated from the other 3, i think by a no cellphones warning or something similar. it was quite odd. tink was the first preview they showed, and nemo was the last. i hope you are right that nemo was 2d. i didnt think to take my glasses off to check.

the first screening i went to was 10.30 and there were 6 people there, myself included. all adults, including a husband and wife who would have been in their 60s or so. the second screening was 3.30 and there was about 21 people, including at least 2 children.
it was interesting to see the reactions to the funny bits. when lord dingwall flashed his bum at the others, there was hardly any reaction. when they made their kilts into a rope, one guy about my age started laughing when they first showed the kilts and a few others kinda chuckled when they showed them walking bare bummed into the castle.

Sotiris · Post by **Sotiris** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:21 pm

Sarafian says Pixar actually experimented with making Brave's main character, Merida, not a princess at all.

"We tried making her the blacksmith's daughter and the milkmaid in various things," she says. "There [are] no stakes in the story for us that way. We wanted to show real stakes in the story where, you know, the peace of the kingdom and the traditions are all at stake."

Source: http://www.npr.org/2012/06/21/155501245 ... princesses

Tristy · Post by **Tristy** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:33 pm

http://blog.oregonlive.com/madaboutmovi ... rom_p.html

You know I can't help but get the feeling that review is more of a whining. First of all, Pixar came up with this story during the period when they were splitsville with Pixar.

Second of all, why should we trust his opinion when he gave the last two Star Wars prequels an A-?

Third of all, why is Pixar doing a traditional story a bad thing?

Sotiris · Post by **Sotiris** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:54 pm

I think this backlash has to do with the fact that audiences and critics alike have associated each studio with a specific type of story and storytelling (quite falsely and unfairly, I might add) and criticize anything that deviates from that. In their mind, Pixar only does original and sentimental, DreamWorks does pop-culture and crude humor and Disney does fairytales and princesses.

SWillie! · Post by **SWillie!** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:01 pm

Sotiris wrote:I think this backlash has to do with the fact that audiences and critics alike have associated each studio with a specific type of story and storytelling (quite falsely and unfairly, I might add) and criticize anything that deviates from that. In their mind, Pixar only does original and sentimental, DreamWorks does pop-culture and crude humor and Disney does fairytales and princesses.

Well said.

Tristy · Post by **Tristy** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:16 pm

I apologize if i seem to be ripping off TonyWDA's style when I say this but:

When Disney does it: "Oh yeah! This is awesome! Takes us back to our childhoods and is unebeatable at it!"

When Pixar does it: "Oh man! They hit an all-time low!"

Well maybe if Disney is the only one who should do princess fairy tales, then Rob Reiner's Princess Bride was his biggest mistake before North!

Rant over.

DisneyJedi · Post by **DisneyJedi** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:30 pm

Why? Was Princess Bride a flop, financially and critically?

DancingCrab · Post by **DancingCrab** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:46 pm

Well, I've got my tickets for midnight with some friends. I'll post some thoughts when I get home at 2am. lol

Tristy · Post by **Tristy** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:00 pm

DisneyJedi wrote:Why? Was Princess Bride a flop, financially and critically?

No. My point is that nobody complained when Rob Reiner did a fairy tale even though Disney was most famous for that (at the time anyway.)

AladdinFan · Post by **AladdinFan** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:13 pm

Can't wait to see this movie. It feels like a Disney Animation Studio production instead of a Pixar Animation. After last year boring year from Disney (Winnie Pooh) and Pixar (Cars 2) this year is gonna be great. Winnie Pooh was a fan when I was a kid but now as a teen I'm not interested. Cars 2 not interested, the 1st film was kinda boring. Anyways I'm excited for Brave!!!

Polizzi · Post by **Polizzi** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:42 pm

Everything You Need to Know About Pixar’s ‘Brave’

http://www.animationmagazine.net/featur ... -of-brave/

Polizzi · Post by **Polizzi** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:58 pm

OUCH!

User Critics: 69%
Fresh: 66
Rotten: 30

Top Critics: 69%
Fresh: 20
Rotten: 9

DisneyJedi · Post by **DisneyJedi** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:13 pm

qindarka · Post by **qindarka** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:14 pm

Lets not fuss too much about the ratings and just come to our own opinions of it.

DVDizzy Forum

Latest Movie Reviews

🎬 DVDizzy Top Stories️️

Pixar's Brave - Part II