Tangled Discussion - Part V

[DisneyJedi]

This isn't the first time they had songs in full on soundtrack, but not in film. For a few examples, there's "Why Don't You Do Right" from Who Framed Roger Rabbit and "Streets of Gold" from Oliver & Company, the latter literally cut down to a minute.

[DancingCrab]

Here are the DAILY numbers for this weekend between HP7.1 and Tangled...

Friday: HP7.1 - $20,940,000 & Tangled - $19,700,000

Saturday: HP7.1 - $18,730,000 & Tangled - $18,700,000 (extremely close)

and Sunday: HP7.1 - $10,675,000 ($220 million total gross to date) & Tangled - $10,700,000 ($69 million total gross to date)

That's right...on Sunday, "Tangled" was #1 at the box office, just edging out Harry Potter!!!

[Fairytales]

Here are the DAILY numbers for this weekend between HP7.1 and Tangled...

Friday: HP7.1 - $20,940,000 & Tangled - $19,700,000

Saturday: HP7.1 - $18,730,000 & Tangled - $18,700,000 (extremely close)

and Sunday: HP7.1 - $10,675,000 ($220 million total gross to date) & Tangled - $10,700,000 ($69 million total gross to date)

That's right...on Sunday, "Tangled" was #1 at the box office, just edging out Harry Potter!!!

Tangled beat Harry Potter for a day!
Could we consider this a hit now?

[Disney's Divinity]

Gothel is already classic. Easily the strongest villain since Mermaid.

Okay, I get that a lot of people love the movie way more than I did, but let's please not exaggerate.

To pap64, I'm not sure that's what Mobje was expecting or not. S/he said they were hoping they'd love it. Sometimes people just don't get a movie, and it doesn't always have to do with high/low expectations. I hear that excuse thrown around a lot.

About the plotholes, I know there was some review on rotten tomatoes that pointed them out as one of their biggest flaws with the movie. I'll try to find that review later. Of course, we all know that most Disney movies have a few plotholes.

[PatrickvD]

This isn't the first time they had songs in full on soundtrack, but not in film. For a few examples, there's "Why Don't You Do Right" from Who Framed Roger Rabbit and "Streets of Gold" from Oliver & Company, the latter literally cut down to a minute.

I recall 'Gaston' being longer on the soundtrack than in the final film. That bit with Le Fou stuttering towards the end got cut.

I personally felt the movie worked on all levels, even without these bits of music. It's great to be able to listen to them anyway and maybe they will appear as deleted scenes on the dvd/BD.

[Sotiris]

Rapunzel Lets Her Hair Down in Tangled
http://www.awn.com/articles/3d/rapunzel ... page/1%2C1

LP Lotion: Tangled World Premiere (pics & videos)
http://www.laughingplace.com/Lotion-View-1121.asp

[Miss Jo]

Re: the climax of the movie---SPOILERS HERE: I've been mulling over the debate going on regarding Flynn cutting Rapunzel's hair....what with the (not invalid) argument people are making about letting Rapunzel heal him first, then cutting it. First of all, Gothel had already made sure he couldn't get up and try to save Rapunzel by chaining him up. What would have happened if Rapunzel -had- healed him first? She would be honor-bound to leave with Gothel immediately, and if she didn't, Gothel could (and would) stab Flynn again.

Also, Flynn had no way of knowing that Gothel would instantly begin to wither after the hair was cut---he knew it lost its power upon getting chopped and that Gothel wanted that power, but I don't think he nor Rapunzel realized that she would die right away if the source of her unnaturally long life was destroyed. To him, it probably seemed as though if he waited too long Rapunzel would be dragged off and he would never see her again, knowing the whole time she's been enslaved by Gothel...that, or Gothel might have lived long enough to kill him and/or Rapunzel out of spite. It's also possible he wouldn't have been able to escape the chains without help---I wouldn't put it past Gothel to make sure Flynn died even after Rapunzel had healed him (although I also wouldn't put it past Flynn to be able to find a way to escape the chains. He is a master thief, after all). He just couldn't take chances.

And honestly, I think Flynn did Rapunzel a huge favor by cutting her hair. If it's already 70 feet long by her 18th year, can you imagine how long it would be when she was 25? 30? 45? (Someone with math skills can probably factor out the growth rate and provide actual numbers, haha!) It would be a terrible burden, physically and otherwise---she'd be pressed into service healing everyone who knew about her, and be threatened with kidnapping constantly.
But most of all, it's just more dramatic and romantic the way it is! Flynn's growth as a person is summed up in one selfless swipe, and I love it.

Just my two cents.

This is actually a good explanation, Phan. I guess I must have zoned out while Gothel was chaining Flynn up, because I don't even remember her doing that or seeing him in chains. But yeah, it makes sense that Flynn would not want to get stabbed again after he got healed.

[PheR]

This is to PheR:

I agree that a wedding right away would be too soon. But the story as narrated by Flynn says that they waited and then married. So it would have been okay to show a wedding at the very end since they DID wait. Also, I really think the lantern scene at the very end was part of the wedding celebration. The only thing they didn't show was them together. Did you see it as something other than the wedding celebration?

You're right, I'm sure that last bit of the movie with the lights was part of the wedding celebration, but... we'll never know. Unless they decide to release a cheapquel, like when we saw the ending in Aladdin thinking they were just married wearing fancy clothes flying on the carpet and then we found out they were not married in the sequel

The only thing I Did NOT like about the ending at all was that they made Pascal a murderer!!!!!! a cute disney sidekick Killing the villian!!! OMG They should have made that hair strand already set for Gothel to fall... bad chameleon, bad chameleon!

[Poody]

LP Lotion: Tangled World Premiere (pics & videos)
http://www.laughingplace.com/Lotion-View-1121.asp

Ahhhh thanks SO much! There's pics of me and my friends on the last page!

[DisneyJedi]

You're right, I'm sure that last bit of the movie with the lights was part of the wedding celebration, but... we'll never know. Unless they decide to release a cheapquel, like when we saw the ending in Aladdin thinking they were just married wearing fancy clothes flying on the carpet and then we found out they were not married in the sequel

The only thing I Did NOT like about the ending at all was that they made Pascal a murderer!!!!!! a cute disney sidekick Killing the villian!!! OMG They should have made that hair strand already set for Gothel to fall... bad chameleon, bad chameleon!

But- but-! But Gothel stole Rapunzel as a baby, lied to her, crushed her spirit and literally stabbed Flynn! So Pascal helped Karma bite Gothel in the butt!

BTW, I noticed that Mother Knows Best used a bit of a Broadway reference; a lit-up staircase. Kinda ironic, considering one of the guys who worked on the movie's music works on Broadway/Broadway-style shows/movies.

[Disney's Divinity]

You're right, I'm sure that last bit of the movie with the lights was part of the wedding celebration, but... we'll never know. Unless they decide to release a cheapquel, like when we saw the ending in Aladdin thinking they were just married wearing fancy clothes flying on the carpet and then we found out they were not married in the sequel

The only thing I Did NOT like about the ending at all was that they made Pascal a murderer!!!!!! a cute disney sidekick Killing the villian!!! OMG They should have made that hair strand already set for Gothel to fall... bad chameleon, bad chameleon!

But- but-! But Gothel stole Rapunzel as a baby, lied to her, crushed her spirit and literally stabbed Flynn! So Pascal helped Karma bite Gothel in the butt!

And, besides, she disintegrated before she hit the ground.

[Wonderlicious]

Okay. Okay. I know that Fangirl hasn't been around lately, but I'm going to take her typical use of angry smilies to try and express my absolute anger and frustration, then I'm gonna rant. Apologies in advance for having stooped to such banality...here we go:



Okay. I am extremely angry/upset/annoyed. No, I haven't seen the film yet. And while I'm not the world's biggest Disney Princess supporter, I really want to see this, and have done since the project's inception. But it looks like the fates are trying to prevent me from seeing this film! As some of you know, I'm living in France at the moment as part of a teaching scheme. I was really looking forward to coming back at Christmas and seeing Tangled, but no, Disney UK in their usual "let's tit things up" mode decided to release it at the end of January/beginning of February. Granted, I am actually going to be back in the UK for a bit at the end of February, but it'll have been out for a month already, and as usual, I predict that many cinemas would have finished running it, and the US DVD/Blu-Ray will only be a few weeks away.

Of course, there is a cinema playing films in their original versions where I live (albeit with subtitles, but still); The Social Network, Red and Harry Potter were all presented in this fashion. But Tangled isn't, and it seems that nowhere remotely near where I live is presenting it in this fashion. True, I could man up and see it in French, but I don't want to, as I cannot normally stand dubbing, whether the film was made in English, French, German or whatever. So, while you're all gleefully discussing the film and raving about it, I'm gonna have to sit and wait seemingly forever for it, and may not be able to see it on the big screen, which is a pain, because this really is one of my most anticipated films of the past few years. I simply don't want to wait for the DVD, like I do with seemingly every other film from WDAS.

Urgh, you won't believe how upset I am. Rant over.

[mokka456]

Here are some equations of Rapunzels hair and normal human hair.

But there in dutch.... but I will post the english equations soon!



1. Standaard Informatie van een gemiddeld mens

Haar groeit gemiddeld 6 inches = 15, 24 (15, 25) cm per jaar

1 inch = 2,54 centimeter
100 cm is één meter.

5 jaar groeien = 5x15.25= 76.3 cm= 0.76 meter

10 jaar groeien = 10x15.25= 152.5 cm= 1.53 meter

18 jaar groeien = 18x15.25= 274.5 cm= 2.75 meter

30 jaar groeien = 30x15.25= 457.5 cm= 4.58 meter

60 jaar groeien = 60x15.25= 915 cm= 9.15 meter

80 jaar groeien = 80x15.25= 1220 cm= 12.20 meter


2. Hoe snel groeit Rapunzels haar per jaar?

21.40 cm (na 18 jaar): 2.75 cm (ook na 18 jaar)=

Gemiddelde groei per jaar getal verhogen en vermenigvuldigen met 18 jaar,
Totdat je bij de 2140 komt. Dus: 18x118.9= 2.140.2 cm= 21.40, Dus

Rapunzels haar groeit precies 119 cm= 1.19 meter per jaar

5 jaar groeien = 5x119= 595 cm= 5.95 meter

10 jaar groeien = 10x119= 1190 cm= 11.90 meter

18 jaar groeien = 18x119= 2142 cm= 21.42 meter

30 jaar groeien = 30x119= 3570 cm= 35.70 meter

60 jaar groeien = 60x119= 7140 cm= 71.40 meter

80 jaar groeien = 80x119= 9520 cm= 95.29 meter


3. Hoelang duurt het voor een normaal mens om 21.40 meter haar te laten groeien?

70 feet = 21.33600 meter= 21,40 meter

21.40 : 2.75= 7.78= 7.80

7.80x18= 140.5 jaar om 21, 40 (70 feet) te laten groeien (niet mogelijk dus)

[Fairytales]

Here are some equations of Rapunzels hair and normal human hair.

But there in dutch.... but I will post the english equations soon!



1. Standaard Informatie van een gemiddeld mens

Haar groeit gemiddeld 6 inches = 15, 24 (15, 25) cm per jaar

1 inch = 2,54 centimeter
100 cm is één meter.

5 jaar groeien = 5x15.25= 76.3 cm= 0.76 meter

10 jaar groeien = 10x15.25= 152.5 cm= 1.53 meter

18 jaar groeien = 18x15.25= 274.5 cm= 2.75 meter

30 jaar groeien = 30x15.25= 457.5 cm= 4.58 meter

60 jaar groeien = 60x15.25= 915 cm= 9.15 meter

80 jaar groeien = 80x15.25= 1220 cm= 12.20 meter


2. Hoe snel groeit Rapunzels haar per jaar?

21.40 cm (na 18 jaar): 2.75 cm (ook na 18 jaar)=

Gemiddelde groei per jaar getal verhogen en vermenigvuldigen met 18 jaar,
Totdat je bij de 2140 komt. Dus: 18x118.9= 2.140.2 cm= 21.40, Dus

Rapunzels haar groeit precies 119 cm= 1.19 meter per jaar

5 jaar groeien = 5x119= 595 cm= 5.95 meter

10 jaar groeien = 10x119= 1190 cm= 11.90 meter

18 jaar groeien = 18x119= 2142 cm= 21.42 meter

30 jaar groeien = 30x119= 3570 cm= 35.70 meter

60 jaar groeien = 60x119= 7140 cm= 71.40 meter

80 jaar groeien = 80x119= 9520 cm= 95.29 meter


3. Hoelang duurt het voor een normaal mens om 21.40 meter haar te laten groeien?

70 feet = 21.33600 meter= 21,40 meter

21.40 : 2.75= 7.78= 7.80

7.80x18= 140.5 jaar om 21, 40 (70 feet) te laten groeien (niet mogelijk dus)

Lol... als ze tachtig is heeft ze 95 meter lang haar! Dat zou irritant zijn!

[Fairytales]

Okay. Okay. I know that Fangirl hasn't been around lately, but I'm going to take her typical use of angry smilies to try and express my absolute anger and frustration, then I'm gonna rant. Apologies in advance for having stooped to such banality...here we go:



Okay. I am extremely angry/upset/annoyed. No, I haven't seen the film yet. And while I'm not the world's biggest Disney Princess supporter, I really want to see this, and have done since the project's inception. But it looks like the fates are trying to prevent me from seeing this film! As some of you know, I'm living in France at the moment as part of a teaching scheme. I was really looking forward to coming back at Christmas and seeing Tangled, but no, Disney UK in their usual "let's tit things up" mode decided to release it at the end of January/beginning of February. Granted, I am actually going to be back in the UK for a bit at the end of February, but it'll have been out for a month already, and as usual, I predict that many cinemas would have finished running it, and the US DVD/Blu-Ray will only be a few weeks away.

Of course, there is a cinema playing films in their original versions where I live (albeit with subtitles, but still); The Social Network, Red and Harry Potter were all presented in this fashion. But Tangled isn't, and it seems that nowhere remotely near where I live is presenting it in this fashion. True, I could man up and see it in French, but I don't want to, as I cannot normally stand dubbing, whether the film was made in English, French, German or whatever. So, while you're all gleefully discussing the film and raving about it, I'm gonna have to sit and wait seemingly forever for it, and may not be able to see it on the big screen, which is a pain, because this really is one of my most anticipated films of the past few years. I simply don't want to wait for the DVD, like I do with seemingly every other film from WDAS.

Urgh, you won't believe how upset I am. Rant over.

That sucks, it really does! Can't you see it somewhere else than the UK? Holland or so? They have the original version in English there as well... Don't they in France?

[disneyprincess123]

does anyone know when the movie will be on dvd? i know it'll be a little while but i was just wondering if anyone had heard anything thanks

[PheR]

does anyone know when the movie will be on dvd? i know it'll be a little while but i was just wondering if anyone had heard anything thanks

I'm sure it'll be out around March/April

[jpanimation]

Saw the movie, it was just alright, not great. I would probably be more disappointed if I paid to see it (especially in 3D).

First of all, they should've left the title Rapunzel, as this is still very much centered around her more then anyone. Anyways, I'll give a brief review (I may make a more detailed one later). I'll start by saying I didn't like the way they bookended this movie; just didn't care for the execution. As a whole, the movie feels very generic, with nothing highlighting that more then the songs. It just seemed to steal from other movies and make the sequences bland and uninteresting. I personally feel this movie would've been much stronger had it not been a musical. I also feel the movie lacked a distinct personality as it was trying to showcase every Disney princess trope that we've seen. On a positive note, both the main characters of Flynn and Rapunzel were charming and interesting but it was just the story I really didn't care for. The sidekicks were pretty worthless, with neither having an arc or real significance that couldn't have been substituted with some very minor tweaking. I was also underwhelmed with mother Gothel, as she felt underdeveloped and single minded. Maybe if she developed feelings for Rapunzel after 18 years of raising her that would cause internal conflict, IDK. I feel there was some really well executed sequences pared with some no-so-good sequences (mainly the musical numbers). The animation was excellent, as usual, but I was really bothered by Rapunzel's character design (on a number of occasions, she looked inhuman, with her eyes being too big and face too wide, like the cute lemur from Madagascar). While the story and characters are a little more organized then The Princess and the Frog, I feel it lacks any kind of distinct personality that will leave an impression, like the former.

[Tangled]

i wonder how controversial it was to cut rapunzel's hair so short and turn it brown to the heads and marketing people!

i mean, besides the beast has there ever been a character who's physical appearance has changed so drastically!?

especially because rapunzel's long golden hair is such an iconic thing, and was used heavily in the marketing of the movie, and little girls surely must have loved it; which equals many marketing opportunities

i imagine there must have been many heavy discussions about it

well in the original story Rapunzel getting her hair cut is a big part but I am honestly surprised that her hair was cut so short in this. I was expecting her to get a hair cut in the film but I thought it would at least be Belle length.

Really? I thought she looked fine with shorter hair. I think they were thinking that she would look too much like Belle, so to set the two of them apart they had Flynn cut her hair shorter than most people would think. Besides, Snow White and Mulan (after she cuts her hair to be in the army) are two perfectly fine Disney princesses with short hair. Why is long hair always steriotypicaly beautiful anyways?

[Fairytales]

well in the original story Rapunzel getting her hair cut is a big part but I am honestly surprised that her hair was cut so short in this. I was expecting her to get a hair cut in the film but I thought it would at least be Belle length.

Really? I thought she looked fine with shorter hair. I think they were thinking that she would look too much like Belle, so to set the two of them apart they had Flynn cut her hair shorter than most people would think. Besides, Snow White and Mulan (after she cuts her hair to be in the army) are two perfectly fine Disney princesses with short hair. Why is long hair always steriotypicaly beautiful anyways?

Why long hair is stereotypical beautiful? I guess because people think it's more feminine. Especially in the old days you could pretty much seperate humans by looking at their hair. Short = men, Long = women. Ofcourse nowadays those things have changed and i am definitely not saying I don't like short hair. i think it looks cute on Rapunzel and it fits in the story.