Fantasia: 2-Movie Collection - 11/30/10 (Part 2)

[buffalobill]

I absolutely love the movies in hidef. But after seeing on the Scott Pilgrim blu ray how many hours of features a blu ray can hold (took days to watch them all) it is shameful that they didn't port over every single feature from the dvd release onto the actual discs instead of going the bd live route. There is tons of room and why not give us everything they have?

[MJW]

I re-watched the portions of Fantasia on DVD tonight that I had commented on previously, and I actually think I mistook some of the brush strokes and "texture" of the backgrounds to be the purported "lines." I noticed that especially during fast motion, the"texture" of the background blurs into itself and was tricking my eye into seeing something that wasn't there. After the first instance, that's all I was focusing on so no wonder I kept seeing it everywhere (you know how that works). Tonight I slowed down playback and figured out it was just the high detail of the backgrounds at fast motion when panning that I mistook for hazing or lines.

I'm assuming that once I get my Blu-ray player and can experience this film in full HD at the intended resolution, everything will be perfect.

I apologize if I scared anyone off talking about perceived flaws in picture quality; I really wanted this title to be excellent and was overly fearful that it wasn't. In reality, it is a sound release in terms of picture quality and I am happy to have it as part of my Disney collection so far!

[Goliath]

I haven't kept up with this thread, so I'm sorry if this has already been asked, but: do I understand correctly that (at least in the US) the two films only come combined in one package?

[MJW]

I haven't kept up with this thread, so I'm sorry if this has already been asked, but: do I understand correctly that (at least in the US) the two films only come combined in one package?

Yep, so far, we only have the "2 Movie Collection" of Fantasia/2000, a 4-disc set. Nothing else has been announced, but everyone seems to think that if they really do vault the 2 movie set quickly, the movies will come out as separate releases.

[ajmrowland]

yes, Goliath. only one package.

[Disney Guru]

Picking up the dvd set tomorrow after I pick up my paycheck can't wait. Love Fantasia/Fantasia 2000. They are by far 2 of the best Disney films ever made.

[buffalobill]

Picking up the dvd set tomorrow after I pick up my paycheck can't wait. Love Fantasia/Fantasia 2000. They are by far 2 of the best Disney films ever made.

Why would you buy the 2 disc dvd instead of the combo pack? Even if you don't have a blu ray player (which I assume you must not have) with the $10 coupon it's at least the same price if not cheaper than just the dvds. Target has the dvds for $19.99 & the combo pack for $27.99 so you use the coupon and pay $2 less. If nothing else you get more DMR points & two nice coasters with disc art.

[Mr. Yagoobian]

Can some also address the issue filmmusic brought up? Thanks.

If you're asking about the images from the Nutcracker that filmmusic posted...I've never managed to take a photo that accurately reflects what's on my display, so I'd be wary of taking an iPhone shot at face value. The restoration does not suffer from the murky darkness present in the first image, but the second photo makes it appear as if the greens in the vegetation are now almost entirely absent---and that's not the case.

[jpanimation]

Deems Taylor vs Corey Burton

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I posted my own comparison back here, which showed the difference the added dialogue makes (it effects my viewing experience negatively but I can't speak for others). It's important to keep the memory of Deems Taylor alive, as there is about to be an entire generations growing up without knowing what his actual voice sounds like. Corey Burton doing his robotic Brainiac voice just doesn't do it for me.

[Victurtle]

Here are some screenshot comparison (left Bluray, right 2000 DVD):

I don't want to go all Marky on everyone, but doesn't the DVD colors look better? The gleam/brightness in the dinosaurs eyes are lost, making it less powerful an image. And the blue things in the bottom screen appear more bland in HD.

[Mr. Yagoobian]

I don't want to go all Marky on everyone, but doesn't the DVD colors look better?

No.

The Shultheis Notebook: A Disney Treasure – Nice but I can't help but feel cheated with this one. When early reports from press gatherings were announcing that this would be an interactive version of the Shultheis Notebook (CLICK HERE), you can't help but be disappointed when you find out it's only a 14 minute advertisement for the actual interactive Shultheis Notebook at the Disney Family Museum.

The Museum owns the Notebook, and the Museum is neither affiliated with nor owned by the Walt Disney Company; I suspect that's ultimately why the teased interactive notebook doesn't appear on this release. The Shultheis notebook is clearly a treasure trove and a completely unique artifact, its restoration and interactive rendering were executed by the Museum, and I would be totally unsurprised if they wanted more compensation from the Studio than the Studio was willing to give for a supplement (perhaps even mechanical royalties on top of a licensing fee---Walt should have ponied up the $400 Shultheis asked for back in the day). Hopefully they'll be able reach some agreement for a future release. I'd certainly ask for a lot, were it mine...as it is, it's a reason to visit the Museum all on its own, which would certainly be devalued if there were hundreds of thousands of copies of it available for home use.

[Patrick]

I work at Toys R Us and I caught up with our Disney representative yesterday. (Keep in mind, the "Disney" rep isn't actually employed by Disney.. they use another company now to manage their DVD and music merchandise in other retailers.) I asked her if she knew anything about Fantasia being RTV'd (Return to vendor) this January. She said she normally finds out about three to four weeks before the stores do but Fantasia wouldn't be going back this January. She said it would most likely be the July RTV.

I'd kind of take it with a grain of salt, though. There are two reasons why I think she's talking bullshit. First, she couldn't confirm that Snow White and Pinocchio were going into the vault, both of which we are sure of. Second, we got a very small shipment of Fantasia to our store. I'd say about 30 copies of the DVD version and 15 of the blu ray. We still have over 100 copies of Beauty and the Beast and Toy Story 3 stocked after all this time.

Just thought I'd share.

[MJW]

we got a very small shipment of Fantasia to our store. I'd say about 30 copies of the DVD version and 15 of the blu ray. We still have over 100 copies of Beauty and the Beast and Toy Story 3 stocked after all this time.

That's interesting to hear, I think my local TRU got a small shipment as well. They had plenty of the DVD version out in the "new release" stands, but I had to get the Blu-ray from the locked cabinet, and I don't think there were even 10 copies out. They probably had more in the back, but it was definitely different than what I saw with BATB, like you mentioned.

[Patrick]

That's interesting to hear, I think my local TRU got a small shipment as well. They had plenty of the DVD version out in the "new release" stands, but I had to get the Blu-ray from the locked cabinet, and I don't think there were even 10 copies out. They probably had more in the back, but it was definitely different than what I saw with BATB, like you mentioned.

Yeah. I'd say for the most part, after the first shipment, we don't receive any more. Sometimes they'll trickle in through other Disney shipments (like a big box of random films that aren't in the vault.. and aren't going in the vault anytime soon - or Pixar films) but really they just send us the first kick and we sell down from there.

[disneyboy20022]

From the Front Page

Disney has announced its "Disappearing Classics" for early 2011. The studio will be discontinuing its 2009 releases of Pinocchio and Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, as well as this week's Fantasia & Fantasia 2000 2 Movie Collection. Rather than the usual end-of-January, the DVDs and Blu-rays of these three vintage Walt will be officially halted March 15, though you should still be able to find them in stores for a while after that.

[gardener14]

I just learned of Deems Taylor being overdubbed with another voice. I watched the comparrison posted above, and I definitely remember, and now miss, Deems Taylor's distinctive voice. Does anyone know, or could someone explain, why he was replaced?

[The_Iceflash]

As someone who only previously owned the Fantasia VHS, can someone please explain to me the differences between that and this new edition?

You mean besides the bump in PQ? Our VHS contained the complete general release version while this Blu-Ray contains a recreation of the original roadshow. The difference? About 5 minutes of footage. The general release left out some gratuitous Deems Taylor interstitial narrations (just extensions of his intros to the segments that explain EVERYTHING you're about to see in great detail). Also, the general release left out the intermission, where the title card originally was, and put the title card at the beginning of the film. Lets not forget, the VHS version contains Deems Taylor's narration, not Corey Burton's. Other then that, they're pretty much the same.

Can some also address the issue filmmusic brought up? Thanks.

What issue is that? The color changes? They're more like corrections as they seem more accurate to the natural color pallets that Walt liked to use in his features. Also, look at the comparisons I posted. Notice how the old DVD was way off and this new version is closer to the old 80s broadcast. The dove is once again white, instead of yellow.

Thanks. When I put on my blu-ray I wondered where the title card was. I thought there was an error but I was afraid of looking bad by asking that.

Yes, I'm impressed with the colors. The drastic difference shocked me in that one. lol

Also, in regards to the original narration, did they have enough to include it with later releases? Otherwise it's understandable why it couldn't be used. I guess a good question is that whether or not mixing the original narration with dubbed narration would give a better product or not.

I think we could look at Bedknobs and Broomsticks for examples on dubbing.

[BK]

Here are some screenshot comparison (left Bluray, right 2000 DVD):

I don't want to go all Marky on everyone, but doesn't the DVD colors look better? The gleam/brightness in the dinosaurs eyes are lost, making it less powerful an image. And the blue things in the bottom screen appear more bland in HD.

IMO the dinosaur looks better and so does the hippo. The dinosaurs have definition now whilst on the right they looked like blobs.

I prefer the darker colours for the ballerina things though. It looks kind of washed out in the Blu as for the blue centaurs- I don't know it looks cheap anyway.

I haven't seen Fantasia or 2000 by the way so just comparing based on those screenshots.

[miniroll32]

I just learned of Deems Taylor being overdubbed with another voice. I watched the comparrison posted above, and I definitely remember, and now miss, Deems Taylor's distinctive voice. Does anyone know, or could someone explain, why he was replaced?

The original nitrate film that stored these audio sections have deteriorated beyond repair.

[geniuswalt]

I ask to those of you lucky enough to have a home video copy with the original Deems Taylor voice. What did they do back then for those portions of dialogue no longer available? Did they dub only those?