Tangled (aka Rapunzel) Discussion - Part III

[UmbrellaFish]

I hope they use the story book cause the book is realy beautyful and I don't want them to waste such a beautyful book for a cheap narrative, if they diccided to not use it, the narrative should better please me

I don't really care about a storybook opening because people seem to be forgetting that the last time Disney did a storybook opening was in the '70s (not counting Enchanted or Chicken Little). None of the fab four, or any of the 90's films opened with a storybook. They opted for more creative routes.

[robster16]

I hope they use the story book cause the book is realy beautyful and I don't want them to waste such a beautyful book for a cheap narrative, if they diccided to not use it, the narrative should better please me

I don't really care about a storybook opening because people seem to be forgetting that the last time Disney did a storybook opening was in the '70s (not counting Enchanted or Chicken Little). None of the fab four, or any of the 90's films opened with a storybook. They opted for more creative routes.

Agreed, a storybook opening doesn't automatically make it more classic then a different option. I mean, Beauty and the Beast still has one of the best opening/prologue sequences in Disney movies ever, if you ask me!

[CiciRose]

Agreed, a storybook opening doesn't automatically make it more classic then a different option. I mean, Beauty and the Beast still has one of the best opening/prologue sequences in Disney movies ever, if you ask me!

I completely agree! It's one of my favorite openings to a movie, Disney or otherwise. I hope Tangled can capture some of that magic for their opening/prologue, whether it's a storybook or not.

I'm just wondering, because I've heard it a few times now, does anyone know if Flynn/Zac Levi (since it might not be the character ) narrate the opening?

[Animalia]

Agreed, a storybook opening doesn't automatically make it more classic then a different option. I mean, Beauty and the Beast still has one of the best opening/prologue sequences in Disney movies ever, if you ask me!

I completely agree! It's one of my favorite openings to a movie, Disney or otherwise. I hope Tangled can capture some of that magic for their opening/prologue, whether it's a storybook or not.

I think it would be cool if instead of a storybook opening, they open it either with a tapestry or they show paintings Rapunzel drew depicting the events. But a storybook opening is fine too.

[mawnck]

I'm just wondering, because I've heard it a few times now, does anyone know if Flynn/Zac Levi (since it might not be the character ) narrate the opening?

Flynn did, as of the May test screening.

And IMHO we're maybe getting a bit crazy with the spoilers in the other direction - IE stuff is showing up in spoiler text that really can't be considered a spoiler. EG: Pascal the chameleon changes color to hide himself. Don't tell anybody! That new review didn't contain anything spoilerish other than that which has already been revealed in official Disney marketing copy. (Although the She-Ra thing is certainly a new angle. Does the reviewer realize that readers not exactly his age won't have any idea what the heck he's talking about? I'm not sure I do.)

There were some spoilers in the latest concept art onslaught that spoiled some stuff that (again IMHO) probably shouldn't have been spoiled. It also contained stuff that didn't make it into the movie. The new trailer (when it does get here) will no doubt spoil something else.

I guess my point is, if you're that opposed to spoilers, then why are you reading this?

[DisneyFan09]

I think it would be cool if instead of a storybook opening, they open it show paintings Rapunzel drew depicting the events.

Sounds like a good idea.

[CiciRose]

Flynn did, as of the May test screening.

And IMHO we're maybe getting a bit crazy with the spoilers in the other direction - IE stuff is showing up in spoiler text that really can't be considered a spoiler. EG: Pascal the chameleon changes color to hide himself. Don't tell anybody!

There were some spoilers in the latest concept art onslaught that spoiled some stuff that (again IMHO) probably shouldn't have been spoiled. It also contained stuff that didn't make it into the movie. The new trailer (when it does get here) will no doubt spoil something else.

I guess my point is, if you're that opposed to spoilers, then why are you reading this?

Thanks very much! :] And I agree, I think it's getting a little spoiler-crazy (in both directions), but with all the new information coming out so quickly it's to be expected.

I'm figuring that by the time the last trailer for the movie comes out, everything that was in the concept art (that made it to the final cut) will have been revealed in the trailers, either in quick flashes that they think the audience isn't clever enough to put together, or just flat-out revealed because most trailers give away the whole movie these days anyway.

And the painting idea is great, Animalia!

[Wonderlicious]

I hope they use the story book cause the book is realy beautyful and I don't want them to waste such a beautyful book for a cheap narrative, if they diccided to not use it, the narrative should better please me

I don't really care about a storybook opening because people seem to be forgetting that the last time Disney did a storybook opening was in the '70s (not counting Enchanted or Chicken Little). None of the fab four, or any of the 90's films opened with a storybook. They opted for more creative routes.

Exactly. I believe that they did consider a storybook opening for Beauty and the Beast, but they eventually opted for a stained glass introduction (for a variety of reasons), which I think was a pretty good idea. I don't mind storybook openings, but it doesn't necessarily make a film any better or any worse. Since the buzz is that the film is not a goofy comedy like what is portrayed in the trailer but a general fantasy adventure, I think that the opening, whatever it is, should be decent.

[Disney Duster]

Well actually a storybook opening is more traditional, classic, and fairy tale feeling. It is the thing that harkens the most back to classic Disney.

If the used a book, then it would still be Rapunzel if the book had the name Rapunzel on it, so we would at least have the name and feel like Disney was doing Rapunzel that way.

They made the book, why not use it? It's so beautiful, why would they not use this beauty?:



Also, what does everyone think of this?:

[Elladorine]

Anyone else think of Ariel and Eric after seeing the boat scene?

[PheR]

well, maybe there were planning on using the storybook opening but droped it when the name was changed, there is no classic tale called 'Tangled'

I've always wondered, if they open the book right in the middle when the movies starts (and If I remember correctly, they do that in all the movies they use the book), and the story starts just there, then what's on the first half of the book? just blank sheets? LOL

[DisneyDude2010]

Yes totally !

I found alot of simularities in concept art and leaked footage.
i.e The Rose and Rapunzel's tears awaking Flynn. reminds me alot of Beauty and the Beast [

I am so exciting this is going to be amazing !!!!!!!!!

.... No trailer then

[Ukrainian]

hi, everyone!
I'm very exciting to see the movie especially now, when I saw tons of amazing concept images!

by the way, here in Ukraine (and Russia as well) it is called Rapunzel: A Tangled Story. So they just mixed two titles even though tale about Rapunzel is not widely known by people here.

[Polizzi]

I just have this dream that I was watching the new trailer of Disney's, "Rapunzel (Tangled)." I saw an image of the cliff beside the ocean, next Flynn Rider, along with his pub thugs, carrying a body that could be his dead brother, and I cannot figure out what else is there. I believe that my dream could be a prophecy that the trailer will come out today...I hope.

[nickatina]

Anyone else think of Ariel and Eric after seeing the boat scene?

yawn... the visuals looks nice i will admit that but like i said, we've seen this all before. All that talent and they could only come up with a cliche romantic boat ride

[DisneyFan09]

All that talent and they could only come up with a cliche romantic boat ride

I don't think it's that clichè. There are worse clichès than the romantic boat ride.

Besides, I wouldn't mind to be in a boat with Flynn .

[Disney Duster]

Fairy tales are often about traditions which some like you would probably call clichè. If you are going to do something classically it is going to be like what has been before, but in a new way with new life.

[robster16]

Anyone else think of Ariel and Eric after seeing the boat scene?

yawn... the visuals looks nice i will admit that but like i said, we've seen this all before. All that talent and they could only come up with a cliche romantic boat ride

to knock another cliche around the room:

"don't judge a book by it's cover"

You see a picture, but you know nothing about the setting, the relation to the story, the backstory, the build-up, the music, the mood, etc, etc! Just be patient before you trash the hell out of it! Or else you might end up eating those words...

[Edthehyena]

HEY incredible things are brewing over there...

Ahhhh those magical famous various and so original prologues (and of course their matching assorted closings scenes)...


Stained Glass for Beauty and the Beast
Memorial Museum Paintings in Pocahontas
Hand Puppets of the The Hunchback of Notre Dame
Museum vases telling the gospel truth of Hercules
Brother Bear and its Stone Age painting on cave walls
and even Pop-up book opening and closing Enchanted

So, what will be for that new one ? Mosaics ? Painting on the Walls ?....

The way they choose to take us into the story, the first seconds, first notes and view, the way to step into it is so important ! The first boat sound, gulls and sea fog of "Fathoms Below", the first swirls of arabian smoke in "Aladdin", the first sounds of the wonderful Beast Theme Alan Menken wrote for the movie, certainly his most beautiful melody, even the wonderful thrilling drums in Tarzan, just before being directly thrown into the action with a zoom of the baby's eye saved from the storm... Introductions are the best !

[Polizzi]

I have discovered a special message from Hollymck from Disney's, "Rapunzel (Tangled)," on IMDb. I put it in white letters in the name of Robster 16, in case of spoiling.



So, I did one of these for PatF, and now I'm doing one for Tangled. This is a compilation of what we know from clips, concept art, reviews, and articles.

This is a storyline I put together based on everything I've seen. Things in bold are things I've speculated that we don't know for absolutely sure. I've also inserted the songs we know of where I think they'll be.

1. A drop of sunlight falls from the sky, bringing with it a magic plant with healing powers. When the pregnant queen of Corona becomes ill, her people make her a healing tea from the plant. She drinks it, healing herself and giving her unborn daughter healing powers, hidden in her hair. Lanterns are lifted into the sky in celebration of the baby's birth. Rapunzel is then stolen by Madame Gothel, who wishes to use the power to remain young, and wants to hide it from the rest of the world. The kingdom of Corona believes baby Rapunzel to be dead. Rapunzel is shown, still alive, and growing up in a tower, excitedly looking out at some distant lights that appear once a year, unbeknownst to her, on her birthday.

2. 18 years after the princess's birth, master thief Flynn Rider is imprisoned in the royal dungeon (could be a prison or something else), escapes, and steals the crown meant for the baby princess, Rapunzel, which is still kept in the castle (it's definitely a crown/tiara, but it could be Rapunzel's or the queen's). He runs through the woods looking for a place to hide from the guards chasing him.

3. Intro to adult Rapunzel and Pascal. It is shown that Rapunzel spends her time painting and reading. She is happy, but she yearns for something more, although she doesn't quite know what it is. Rapunzel's tower is completely painted with images of freedom and light. Rapunzel is excited because the yearly lights will appear soon. She contemplates leaving the tower to see them (When Will my Life Begin?), but Madame Gothel, now known as Mother Gothel, who has raised Rapunzel, guilt trips, manipulates, and scares her into staying. (Mother Knows Best) Gothel does not want Rapunzel to leave, because she stays forever young by brushing Rapunzel's magic hair every day.

4. Flynn stumbles upon Rapunzel's tower, thinking it a good hiding place from the guards pursuing him. He climbs up, but is captured by Rapunzel, who strikes a deal with him. She will set him free and let him keep his stolen goods if he takes her to see the mysterious lights. He agrees, and the two set off.

5. Meanwhile, the Captain of the Guard and his men are all out looking for Flynn. The captain's horse, Maximus, is eager to find him.

6. Flynn takes Rapunzel to a pub called the Snuggly Duckling. Why, I have no idea. Rapunzel charms the rough viking-like pub clientele. (unnamed tavern song)

7. The captain and his men arrive at the Snuggly Duckling, but Flynn and Rapunzel have already left. Maximus decides to find Flynn on his own.

8. Somewhere at this point in the story, Maximus finds Flynn and Rapunzel, Rapunzel charms Maximus (who does not get along with Flynn), and Flynn and Rapunzel begin to fall in love. Rapunzel also finds time to braid her hair and put a million flowers in it. Flynn also discovers the healing power in Rapunzel's hair.

9. The finally arrive at the water surrounding Corona. Flynn and Rapunzel get a boat, and Flynn takes her out to see the floating lights, which turn out to be lanterns. (I See the Light)

10. After the boat ride, Flynn and Rapunzel separate (for an unknown reason). Flynn is captured by the kingdom's guards, and Rapunzel stumbles across a memorial (I know that there is definitely a memorial in the story). The memorial is for the baby princess, thought to be dead. Rapunzel, seeing a mosaic of the king, queen, and princess, realizes that the princess is her.

11. Rapunzel goes back to the tower to get answers from Mother Gothel. Gothel in this time has gone crazy, and has gotten older from not being able to brush Rapunzel's hair. Meanwhile, Flynn either knows or somehow finds out that Rapunzel has gone back and is in danger. He manages to escape the castle dungeon once again, finds Maximus, and convinces him to give him a ride to help Rapunzel.

12. Back at the tower, Rapunzel is appalled by Gothel's insanity. Flynn shows up, but is either hurt or killed somehow. Gothel attempts to brush Rapunzel's hair, but Rapunzel cuts it all off, causing it to lose its power. Gothel transforms into the hag she really is and dies of old age. Rapunzel is distraught by Flynn's death, or seeming death. She believes she can't heal him because her hair is gone. She cries, and it brings him back to life and/or heals him, possibly because the magic was still inside of her. In the end, Rapunzel once again is a princess, she and Flynn get married, and they live happily ever after.



Well, that's it! If anyone wants to add, fix, or just comment, feel free to do so. Once again, I have no idea if this is all correct, it's just pieced together from information I know, with added things I've assumed. The exact order of all this is part correct, part speculation, but it will be similar to this.