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Disney's Divinity wrote:Personally, I'm looking forward to both the Disney remake and the Del Toro film. It's a shame they're happening at the same time, but the world has room for many adaptations of these classic stories, imo. I've always expected the Del Toro to be the better film, just because the remakes aren't the greatest films in the world (they're more for nostalgia--which makes the attempts at extreme changes in some of them, like Mulan, TLM, and SW, a really absurd decision).
Well, both films are going to be very different, so I don't think it's a problem they're released on the same year. I agree del Toro's will most likely be the better one. Well, I actually don't have any doubts about it. I read the whole Variety article the news I posted was taken from and his take on the story sounds very interesting, plus it seems it'll have a strong message. Now I agree with Farerb it's likely it'll win the Oscar next year. By the way, this is the first time he directs an animated film, right? If he wins, he'll join other live-action directors who have done the same like George Miller or Gore Verbinski.
Rumpelstiltskin wrote:Del Toro's movie is also set in Mussolini's Italy. He has a strange obsession with fascism. But it is also a musical, and it will be stop motion.
I didn't know it would be a musical, I wonder why they didn't mention it in the article.
Rumpelstiltskin wrote:I think it is more of a historical interest than an attempt to describe the world today, and he would probably have made the movie the way it is no matter what's going is happening right now.
Well, it's quite common for directors to be obsessed with certain topics and feature them repeatedly in their films. He also likes to direct stories about protagonists who are seen as monsters by people. Apparently, Pinocchio will be like that too, since he compares the character to Frankenstein in the Variety article.

By the way, I've noticed in both Disney's and Guillermo del Toro's versions there's a portrait of a child in Geppetto's studio. According to the article, in del Toro's film Geppetto lost his son, Carlo, when he was still a child and Pinocchio is carved from a tree that grew over his grave. So, most likely, the boy in the picture is Carlo. In the Disney film, the portrait is next to Geppetto's bed. I wonder if both versions have come up with the same backstory for Geppetto and the reason he longs to have a child in Disney's version is also because he misses one he had lost. Although, the truth is that Disney's portrait is a more general shot of a boy dressed in Tyrolean clothes, so maybe the reason he has that photo is that he would like to have a son that looks like that boy or something like that.


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That's a very interesting observation. I hadn't noticed the portrait in the Disney remake. I'm not sure how I feel about it though. Pinocchio being a replacement for Gepetto's real son sounds questionable to me.
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D82 wrote:I didn't know it would be a musical, I wonder why they didn't mention it in the article.

Well, it's quite common for directors to be obsessed with certain topics and feature them repeatedly in their films. He also likes to direct stories about protagonists who are seen as monsters by people. Apparently, Pinocchio will be like that too, since he compares the character to Frankenstein in the Variety article.

By the way, I've noticed in both Disney's and Guillermo del Toro's versions there's a portrait of a child in Geppetto's studio. According to the article, in del Toro's film Geppetto lost his son, Carlo, when he was still a child and Pinocchio is carved from a tree that grew over his grave. So, most likely, the boy in the picture is Carlo. In the Disney film, the portrait is next to Geppetto's bed. I wonder if both versions have come up with the same backstory for Geppetto and the reason he longs to have a child in Disney's version is also because he misses one he had lost. Although, the truth is that Disney's portrait is a more general shot of a boy dressed in Tyrolean clothes, so maybe the reason he has that photo is that he would like to have a son that looks like that boy or something like that.
Perhaps the author of the article still isn't aware it's a musical.

Del Toro has also mentioned the movie will be about imperfect fathers and imperfect sons, another topic he has personal experiences with. He said that after his own father was kidnapped and held for ransom, he learned to see his father in a whole new light.
https://variety.com/2022/film/news/guil ... 235294912/
Del Toro told the Annecy crowd that he’d been working on and towards this project since 2011 – and that his take on the story will focus on imperfect fathers and imperfect sons, hitting a uniquely personal register for him.
His comparison with Frankenstein is because both Frankenstein's monster and Pinocchio are born into a world that is new for them and which they don't understand. Which I think the articles points out.

If Pinocchio in this version is made out of a tree that was growing on the grave of Gepetto's son, one would expect the tree to contain some of his son's soul. Instead it is the cricket's soul that enters it, according to the latest news about the movie. I don't understand why he is using that approach, but the movie will probably clear things up a little.

In the original Disney version, Gepetto wants a child because he has never had any children of his own. To change this now in the remake does not sound like the best idea. It would also hint that he used to be married once, but his wife died or left him.
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Sotiris wrote:That's a very interesting observation. I hadn't noticed the portrait in the Disney remake. I'm not sure how I feel about it though. Pinocchio being a replacement for Gepetto's real son sounds questionable to me.
Yeah, especially because he'll become a real boy at the end. Couldn't the Blue Fairy just have revived his dead son? Guillermo del Toro's version is a bit different because judging by the director's words, it seems Pinocchio won't become a real boy in it. Anyway, I think it's possible the boy in the photo is not Geppetto's son, although there definitely has to be some story behind that portrait.
Rumpelstiltskin wrote:Perhaps the author of the article still isn't aware it's a musical.
It could be, or maybe they don't want to reveal it's a musical yet.
Rumpelstiltskin wrote:Del Toro has also mentioned the movie will be about imperfect fathers and imperfect sons, another topic he has personal experiences with. He said that after his own father was kidnapped and held for ransom, he learned to see his father in a whole new light.
Oh, I didn't know his father was kidnapped. What a tragic story. Well, I've just read it had a happy ending, but the whole family was forced to leave their country because of this. Thanks for the link to that other article, by the way. It was an interesting read.
Rumpelstiltskin wrote:His comparison with Frankenstein is because both Frankenstein's monster and Pinocchio are born into a world that is new for them and which they don't understand. Which I think the articles points out.
You're right, but judging by the quote below, also from the same article, it seems Pinocchio will be seen as a monster too:
Initially, Geppetto cannot accept the wooden boy as his own, in part because the people of the town regard the creation as a freak or monster.
Rumpelstiltskin wrote:If Pinocchio in this version is made out of a tree that was growing on the grave of Gepetto's son, one would expect the tree to contain some of his son's soul. Instead it is the cricket's soul that enters it, according to the latest news about the movie. I don't understand why he is using that approach, but the movie will probably clear things up a little.
From what I've understood, the tree does indeed contain some of his son's soul. According to the article, Geppetto "begs for another chance at being a father, but he doesn't recognize that the essence of his own child comes back in the form of this indomitable boy". Regarding the cricket, it says he "built a home in his trunk and continues to reside there when he comes to life" and "aspires to be a conscience for the boy", so I think Pinocchio has a life of his own.
Rumpelstiltskin wrote:It would also hint that he used to be married once, but his wife died or left him.
That's true. If he lost both her wife and son that would be quite tragic, even for a Disney film.
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Disney Duster wrote:Lord-of-sith, what did Angelina Jolie and Whoopi Goldberg do for their character's looks? All I know about Whoopi was she got real jewels for her character.
Yes the queens look in Cinderella was supposedly going to look more pedestrian and cheap, and Whoopi supplied the jewels and some guidance to elevate it. And there are tons of concept art images for the live-action Maleficent that focused a lot on highlighting Angelina's "sexy" attributes, and she wanted to make it stick closer to the original design from the 1959 movie. This is stated in the "Once Upon a Dream" book. She also worked with the visual effects artists to explain exactly how she wanted to look with the wings and flame effects. Here are some of the original Maleficent designs, I think you'll see what I'm talking about:

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I read the oral history of Brandy's Cinderella and I don't remember the queen ever originally going to be pedestrian, just that she had jewels that weren't real till Whoopi got real ones. Did you find something I didn't? As for Maleficent, that's very interesting that actually Jolie saved the character from looking too different from the original.
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Pinocchio from the live action remake:
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He looks too cartoony and off-model. It's giving off uncanny valley vibes.
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Sotiris wrote:He looks too cartoony and off-model. It's giving off uncanny valley vibes.
I don't know. I actually liked this model more than I thought. Even everywhere else I've seen seems to have positive reception to his design. And, I mean, he's supposed to look faithful to the cartoon, hence why you think he looks "cartoony." Also, it could've looked worse. I mean, I would say he doesn't look "Uncanny Valley" for me, because at least he doesn't have what Chip calls "those Polar Express eyes."
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This was never going to look or be good in any possible way. Some things are best left as they are.
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PatrickvD wrote:This was never going to look or be good in any possible way. Some things are best left as they are.
Looks good to me.
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D23 magazine article: https://imgur.com/a/ec8A3Wf (Source: mmdisney200 Instagram stories)

There's not much new info in it, but one thing that caught my attention is something the director says about Pinocchio's design in the remake; that the character was in the "if it isn't broke, don't fix it" category.

He doesn't look that bad to me in the image released today and I like the hand-painted effect, but I still hate that they just traslated the original design into CGI.
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It bothers me they are doing many new designs but the star of the film is the exact same original design. It's inconsistent.
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Yeah, it's true. Some characters, such as Pinocchio or Geppetto, look very similar to the original designs, while others, like the Coachman, for example, couldn't look more different.
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Especially the Blue Fairy!
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Looks like it'll be what The Lion King should have been. And, it looks like the only thing I'm legit excited to see on Disney+ Day, the day before the D23 Expo, which I'll be at, along with being at Disney's California Adventure and Disneyland the day before.
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I like it.
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Just saw the trailer. It looks interesting. I have mixed feelings about Monstro though. His design is weird...
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