Frozen: Part IV

[DancingCrab]

Well...I mean Kristoff's belt isn't a giveaway or anything... (I've been on tumblr too long today)

[Scamander]

How high are the chances, Disney would release such a doll from the main villain?

[Sotiris]

Here's the covers works I did for the same 2 in a 1 book mentioned above which I was replaced by Joey Chou.

Yours are immensely more appealing. I can't believe they went for Chou's work instead. It boggles the mind. What they did to you was very unfair.

[disneyprincess11]

How high are the chances, Disney would release such a doll from the main villain?

You beat me to it! Someone on Tumblr did point it out: Why would Disney release a doll of the villain? Hmmmmmmm..... Maybe Hans isn't the bad guy.

Again, if Hans is evil, Disney needs to surprise them.

The dolls are okay. I think Hans looks too feminine and they got his hair color wrong. And why isn't Kristoff smiling?

[Tangled]

Well, they did release Lotso toys for Toy Story 3 and market them as standard, non-evil teddy bears.

Pink strawberry-scented teddy bears and prince characters are just too marketable not to make toys of, regardless of how evil they are.

Even so, I am kind of doubting Hans that isn't just a love interest. Anna will predictably fall in love with Kristoff, and Hans will just be there for Elsa (or vice-versa, who knows). Kind of a wasted opprotunity, (making a guy appear to be a standard Disney prince for the first half of the movie then revealing that he's evil would have been epic) but safe and marketable.

...because we all know that every member of the Disney Princess line (unless they're from a Pixar movie, because Pixar...is Pixar, who always must be the "innovative one") MUST have a love interest, amiright?
Yes, I am being sarcastic, if for whatever reason you can't tell and thought I actually meant that.

[PrincessElsa]

(making a guy appear to be a standard Disney prince for the first half of the movie then revealing that he's evil would have been epic)

I really disagree with this. That is, I would be fine with that twist in most movies -- maybe even in a Disney movie -- but not in this movie.

I just really, really don't want Elsa to end up alone, a fate that I dread might still happen. I already feel kind of attached to the character based just on the trailers and the plot descriptions. I'd be pretty devastated if she ended up in a lonely-queen state. After all, much of the plot will involve her being alone; I want her to be saved from that. I can't remember the last time I wanted a happy ending for someone as much as I want a happy ending for Elsa. And yeah, I know you can say, "You don't need a man to be happy," and all that -- but it's just not the same kind of happy ending without it, not in a fairy-tale movie, where you really want that surge of joy at the end. And for me, that's going to entirely depend on what happens with Elsa.

Plus, I kind of like both the guys, Hans and Kristoff. I wasn't at all keen on Flynn Rider from Tangled (in fact, I didn't like him much at all). But both of the Frozen men have appealing characteristics, based on their character descriptions.

Elsa's story will have too much sadness in it already to end up without a happy ending. I feel like she -- and the film -- will earn it.

[disneyprincess11]

@Princess Elsa

I really think if Hans is evil, he will somehow be good at the end. I really think that the Duke is his father. So, Hans turns evil in hopes to finally get recognize by his father. Hans has 12 brothers, you know! (Dang, his parents need a new hobby )

I can't imagine Disney making 2 princesses and 2 love interests, and having one of the princesses be alone. I mean, it's Disney.

[Warm Regards]

PrincessElsa : I'm not sure about who drawn the other books you mentionned as there are many artists inside Disney Publishing and they are many to work on a same one except the "graphic" ones. Sorry I can't help much...

Here's the covers works I did for the same 2 in a 1 book mentionned above which I was replaced by Joey Chou :



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Please do not use my drawing without my permission.
Copyright Disney.

While I like the other version (I'm surprised no one else likes it ), I LOVE your covers. And Anna has blue eyes! Yay for consistency.

I'd ship em'

with each other?

gay twist!!!

What if they're secretly brothers?

[Lady Cluck]

(making a guy appear to be a standard Disney prince for the first half of the movie then revealing that he's evil would have been epic)

I really disagree with this. That is, I would be fine with that twist in most movies -- maybe even in a Disney movie -- but not in this movie.

I just really, really don't want Elsa to end up alone, a fate that I dread might still happen. I already feel kind of attached to the character based just on the trailers and the plot descriptions. I'd be pretty devastated if she ended up in a lonely-queen state. After all, much of the plot will involve her being alone; I want her to be saved from that. I can't remember the last time I wanted a happy ending for someone as much as I want a happy ending for Elsa. And yeah, I know you can say, "You don't need a man to be happy," and all that -- but it's just not the same kind of happy ending without it, not in a fairy-tale movie, where you really want that surge of joy at the end. And for me, that's going to entirely depend on what happens with Elsa.

Plus, I kind of like both the guys, Hans and Kristoff. I wasn't at all keen on Flynn Rider from Tangled (in fact, I didn't like him much at all). But both of the Frozen men have appealing characteristics, based on their character descriptions.

Elsa's story will have too much sadness in it already to end up without a happy ending. I feel like she -- and the film -- will earn it.

She can have a happy ending without falling in love

I know that's the Disney way of how girls find happiness but it'd be nice if she just reclaimed her throne, won her people's respect and admiration, and that was it. I'm sure that's not going to happen though.

The Duke being the main villain will be incredibly disappointing.

[TsWade2]

The Duke being the main villain will be incredibly disappointing.

Nonsense. I think he'll be good villain. As much as I agree that he won't be a famous villain as Dr. Facilier or Mother Gothel, but the Duke will be a fine villain.

[PrincessElsa]

She can have a happy ending without falling in love

I know that's the Disney way of how girls find happiness but it'd be nice if she just reclaimed her throne, won her people's respect and admiration, and that was it. I'm sure that's not going to happen though.

Look, I know that's the argument -- I mentioned it in my post -- but please recognize the fact that not everyone feels that way, and for some people, love is a much deeper form of happiness than political prominence, which is a more abstract kind of fulfillment. It's also more relatable to many people.

Besides, she can be given both. The one doesn't need to exclude the other.

There are many films that present the "Don't need a man" point of view, and it's fine that they exist. But I think there also really deserves to be a place for a more timeless kind of love and happiness in a fairy-tale setting that Disney has given us, for princes and princesses and dream-like romance. I'm very happy to get that once in a while, and Disney is where I most hope to experience it. All the more in this case, where for once, I actually care about the characters.

[Lady Cluck]

You have NOTHING to base that on. His design is bland and generic and looks like numerous Disney "old men." His description and motives are also boring.

The only good thing is Alan Tudyk, which I don't have a problem with because I'm sure he'll give him some life. But he's definitely the most blah villain of the recent Disney movies on paper.

[taei]

Found this on tumblr:

[Candy-Bonita95]

I kinda have to agree with the Duke being a bland villain.I hope he is omly part of a subplot making the main villain Elsa's evil side.

And I have said this before.If the Duke is so lame,why can't Hans kick his ass while Anna is gone?
It's like the Duke says,"I'M DA KING NOW!!!!!" and Hans pussys out.

[disneyprincess11]

You have NOTHING to base that on. His design is bland and generic and looks like numerous Disney "old men." His description and motives are also boring.

The only good thing is Alan Tudyk, which I don't have a problem with because I'm sure he'll give him some life. But he's definitely the most blah villain of the recent Disney movies on paper.

Yeah, I have to agree with everything. I'm not impressed by his design. I can't put a finger why. I guess that it's really boring and he doesn't look menacing enough. Yeah, yeah, that's the point. But, if Disney announced that the Duke is the bad guy before revealing his look, I imagined a very noble, but sinister look.

And plus:

Dr. Faciler: Tries to use Naveen and Lawerence, so he can get Big Daddy's $$ and run New Orleans
Mother Gothel: Kidnaps a magical baby to keep her young forever and does anything including killing someone to get her back
King Candy/Turbo: Where to even begin? Destroys a game, takes over a new one and gets a disguise and goes after the princess, so she can be locked up forever so he can rule forever, and then goes after the arcade once his cover is blown and forces Ralph to watch Vanellope die
The Duke: Tries to get close to Elsa to get Areneddle's goods and supplies YAWN!

First, if Frozen takes place in the 17-18th century, it’s common for older, aristocratic men marry younger, noble ladies for economic reasons. Second, he’ll be the King, so he can know everything including the goods. That’s actually really evil to pretty much taking over a girl’s life like that for your evil purpose. And the fact that Elsa is supposed to be 20 makes it positively creepy.

But, Disney would get away with it. Remember Jafar/Jasmine, Frollo/Esmerelda, and almost Scar/Nala?

But if that's not the case....well, at least Alan Tudyk voices him........

[Old Fish Tale]

and almost Scar/Nala?

Did you mean Sarabi?

[Disney's Divinity]

I'd ship em'

Don't worry, I'm sure there'll be plenty of fanart out there. I'm surprised how prominent Disney slash has become since Tangled (if I've seen one Flynn/Stabbington Bros., I've seen them all. And I agree with you, Hans/Kristoff would be interesting, since they seem to be opposites as far as personality).

As far as Elsa being alone at the end or not, I doubt that she will be, but I wouldn't doubt if Disney would try to have Anna having the traditional Disney marriage ending while Elsa is more of the independent type, so they can have their cake and eat it, too. Not that I think Disney cares too much about sexism in their films, considering it hasn't hurt sales or anything. I don't feel either way, tbh, but I agree that Elsa seems to be the most interesting character in the film, then Hans for me. I like both the guys better than Flynn, although it's hard to tell to what degree until we see the movie/hear their voices, etc. Anna looks boring to me, where Rapunzel was actually a pretty good character.

I agree with everyone that the Duke looks very boring, and I can't imagine he'd exist if he wasn't the villain. He falls into the Edgar/Ratcliffe villain category for me

Did you mean Sarabi?

No. In the musical version of TLK, Scar attempts to shack up with/rape Nala, but she runs away and ends up finding Simba.

Btw, Prince Kido, that picture with Elsa and the snowflakes is really beautiful.

[Sotiris]

In the musical version of TLK, Scar attempts to shack up with/rape Nala, but she runs away and ends up finding Simba.

That's also a deleted scene from the film.

[Old Fish Tale]

I never knew... But I'm glad it was deleted from the film.

[PrincessElsa]

I wouldn't doubt if Disney would try to have Anna having the traditional Disney marriage ending while Elsa is more of the independent type

That would ruin the character for me and the film. So she suffers her curse alone...and ends up alone? Far from saving the frozen world, that would be like trading one frozen world for another.

Ugh. I swear I'd walk out -- not that I guess it would matter at that point, as the film would have gotten my money...but only once. It wouldn't get it again, and I wouldn't buy a copy. I'd feel betrayed.

I'm quite sure I'm not alone in that sentiment either, among the general viewing public.

Like I said, I can get modern endings in any movie. A Disney fairy-tale is where I want to have that all-out magical, beautiful ending, not some kind of bittersweet modern stoicism. If I want that kind of film, I'll go see it, not a movie about princesses and dreams and wonder.