Tangled DVD/Blu-ray Discussion (March 29)

[SpringHeelJack]

So has anyone decided which combo pack they'll be getting: 2D or 3D?

I think I might end up getting the 2D combo pack; the Best Buy price is $19.99, which will make it $14.99 after coupon. I'm going for the cheapest option, and for me, it's not worth the extra money for the 3D disc I'll more than likely never use or the digital copy.

How? The coupon specifically states $5 off the 3D combo pack only?

I'd be surprised if Best Buy allowed it.

I wouldn't be. As I said previously, the Tim Burton "Alice in Wonderland" coupon was for the three disc combo pack and I used it on the one disc version. There's other reports of people doing similar things with the coupons.

[gardener14]

This is an issue that is often discussed in couponing blogs/articles. Any manufacturer's coupon will often work for another product of the same brand if the cashier doesn't read the details of the coupon and notice the details of the item, but that doesn't make it ok to do so. Stores may not be reimbursed the value of the coupon if it is used on the wrong item. Technically it's wrong, even if it works sometimes.

[Sotiris]

Although I do not care for 3D or Digital Copies, I am more inclined to purchase the 3D combo pack mostly because of the better cover. I'm still indecisive though.

[Disney's Divinity]

I feel bad I wanna do it.

Poorness leads to bad choices. >>;

[MutantEnemy]

I love how at the end, Luke sort of goes on an anti-blu-ray mini-rant.

Really?!? I think it makes him come off desperate and whiney! It's not a stunt to include the dvd with the blu-ray it is better value...which is stated in the review....lol! It's good for those who want to upgrade in the future without having to rebuy a title. Disney rarely does anything to save people money, so it's a good thing.

These are my question's: Does Luke have stock in a DVD manufacturer? Did Luke support HDDVD and is now a troll like Jon Cryer? Is Luke mad that the name of his site is an anachronism? Should the site be renamed Blur-ray.com?

Blu-ray is here to stay...get used to it.

[Escapay]

In case someone hadn't noticed, Luke's review of the Tangled combo pack is up:

Renata posted it on the previous page.

I'd actually be very surprised if he wrote the review without collaboration.

Luke's had a Blu-Ray player for some time now. While he generally prefers DVD, if a studio sends a Blu-Ray for review instead of the DVD, he can review it without collaboration.

A couple of things I dont quite agree on-like a lack of pointing out how complex the relationship between Gothel and Rapunzel really is-but a good review overall.

Luke (and every reviewer for UD) has to cover a lot of ground with a limited space. Things are bound to be left out in order for broader topics to be discussed. It's not like the forums, where someone can give a whole diatribe about how the cover art for a movie makes them feel at night.

albert

[Disney's Divinity]

Besides, in the review, he did say Gothel was fairly complex.

These are my question's: Does Luke have stock in a DVD manufacturer? Did Luke support HDDVD and is now a troll like Jon Cryer? Is Luke mad that the name of his site is an anachronism? Should the site be renamed Blur-ray.com?

These Blu-ray vs. DVD things...

[BK]

I love how at the end, Luke sort of goes on an anti-blu-ray mini-rant.

Really?!? I think it makes him come off desperate and whiney! It's not a stunt to include the dvd with the blu-ray it is better value...which is stated in the review....lol! It's good for those who want to upgrade in the future without having to rebuy a title. Disney rarely does anything to save people money, so it's a good thing.

These are my question's: Does Luke have stock in a DVD manufacturer? Did Luke support HDDVD and is now a troll like Jon Cryer? Is Luke mad that the name of his site is an anachronism? Should the site be renamed Blur-ray.com?

Blu-ray is here to stay...get used to it.

Yeah every review of a Disney movie lacking DVD extras will inevitably end with or contain a mini-rant. It is old and whiny.

[pinkrenata]

A couple of things I dont quite agree on-like a lack of pointing out how complex the relationship between Gothel and Rapunzel really is-but a good review overall.

As far as villains go, Mother Gothel is particularly complex and nicely handled.

Close enough, I'd say.

It's not a stunt to include the dvd with the blu-ray it is better value...which is stated in the review....lol!

If it's not a stunt, then why don't they include the same amount of bonus material on the DVD too? No need to take offense to anything that doesn't represent a glowing review of Blu-ray.

[MutantEnemy]

It's not a stunt to include the dvd with the blu-ray it is better value...which is stated in the review....lol!

If it's not a stunt, then why don't they include the same amount of bonus material on the DVD too? No need to take offense to anything that doesn't represent a glowing review of Blu-ray.

Look, I'm not offended by "anything that doesn't represent a glowing review of Blu-ray", BUT... I don't appreciate reading reviews for Blu-ray title's saying at the end of each and EVERY one that it's a gimmick, or a fad, or a stunt...because it's reaching and a bit pathetic. Obviously Disney wants you to purchase the blu-ray because it's what the company's focus is on right now regarding home entertainment. You don't become Disney or any other studio by sticking with outdated tech. You all seem to think that whatever you think is right, just because you thought it (or typed it) and well, that's bullshit!!! If you want all the bonus features, then convert, if not, stick with the inferior format...end of story. It seems to me that the only time Blu-ray vs. DVD wars start are when DVD stans bitch about blu-ray. I don't need to point out the merits of Blu-ray because it's like saying grass is green or water is wet...it's too GD obvious at this point. (Knocks over mic stand) Mutant out!!!

[ajmrowland]

In case someone hadn't noticed, Luke's review of the Tangled combo pack is up:

Renata posted it on the previous page.

I'd actually be very surprised if he wrote the review without collaboration.

Luke's had a Blu-Ray player for some time now. While he generally prefers DVD, if a studio sends a Blu-Ray for review instead of the DVD, he can review it without collaboration.

A couple of things I dont quite agree on-like a lack of pointing out how complex the relationship between Gothel and Rapunzel really is-but a good review overall.

Luke (and every reviewer for UD) has to cover a lot of ground with a limited space. Things are bound to be left out in order for broader topics to be discussed. It's not like the forums, where someone can give a whole diatribe about how the cover art for a movie makes them feel at night.

albert

Well, I understand all that pretty generally. Just didnt know he had a BD player. And yes there a limit of space, but that was the one huge thing really stuck with me after seeing the movie only once.

[gardener14]

Look, I'm not offended by "anything that doesn't represent a glowing review of Blu-ray", BUT... I don't appreciate reading reviews for Blu-ray title's saying at the end of each and EVERY one that it's a gimmick, or a fad, or a stunt...because it's reaching and a bit pathetic. Obviously Disney wants you to purchase the blu-ray because it's what the company's focus is on right now regarding home entertainment. You don't become Disney or any other studio by sticking with outdated tech. You all seem to think that whatever you think is right, just because you thought it (or typed it) and well, that's bullshit!!! If you want all the bonus features, then convert, if not, stick with the inferior format...end of story. It seems to me that the only time Blu-ray vs. DVD wars start are when DVD stans bitch about blu-ray. I don't need to point out the merits of Blu-ray because it's like saying grass is green or water is wet...it's too GD obvious at this point. (Knocks over mic stand) Mutant out!!!

I disagree with your train of thought, and I don't think Luke's comments were out of touch at all. I buy BluRay Combo packs because of the availability to see the bonus features, but I prefer to watch the dvd of the movie because of the ease of loading, navigating, and starting and stopping the movie with the resume feature. I want the bonus features, but I find the cumbersome nature of watching BluRay to be a nuisance, especially the inane inability to start and stop a movie in the same place. Dvd is so much easier to use, loads faster, menues are simpler, loading time is minimal, and I love the resume feature.

If Disney wasn't using tricks and gimmicks to push BluRay then they'd have disc art on both discs and bonus features available on both formats. I'm not against improved technology, I'm just frustrated when that technology is inferior in its ease of use to another format. I feel like I have to tolerate the flaws of the newer technology to get access to the bonus features, and the superior picture quality is nice, but its as though that aspect of the format was achieved before the rest of the technology (ease of use) was perfected.

Audio tapes and vinyl records were replaced by compact discs because people wanted the newer, better technology. Record companies didn't start making those formats different from each other to push one over another.

[dvdjunkie]

Sotiris wrote:

I am more inclined to purchase the 3D combo pack mostly because of the better cover.

Again, do you have a special player that plays the cover too?? As long as the product inside is good, the cover can be blank as far as I am concerned. What do the non-artists on this forum think they are crying about? I have never worried about the cover of a DVD or Blu-ray as long as the product it advertises is in the case and plays in my player.

With over 6,000 titles, I would be up a creek if I didn't buy a DVD or Blu-ray because I didn't think the cover art was "pretty", or depicted the product inside correctly. I think that you all whine (what kind of cheese would you like) about the dumbest things when it comes to covers and things.

Reminds of the old days when Escapay took a stand against "condoms" for DVD's (slipcovers for those who weren't around then). If you think you could do a better job than the current people are doing, get an application and send it in to the company with samples of your art and see if you can get a job.

Until then, I will buy the movie in Blu-ray or standard DVD based on what is inside and not whether or not the cover has a 'pretty picture'.

[pinkrenata]

Look, I'm not offended by "anything that doesn't represent a glowing review of Blu-ray", BUT... I don't appreciate reading reviews for Blu-ray title's saying at the end of each and EVERY one that it's a gimmick, or a fad, or a stunt...because it's reaching and a bit pathetic. Obviously Disney wants you to purchase the blu-ray because it's what the company's focus is on right now regarding home entertainment. You don't become Disney or any other studio by sticking with outdated tech. You all seem to think that whatever you think is right, just because you thought it (or typed it) and well, that's bullshit!!! If you want all the bonus features, then convert, if not, stick with the inferior format...end of story. It seems to me that the only time Blu-ray vs. DVD wars start are when DVD stans bitch about blu-ray. I don't need to point out the merits of Blu-ray because it's like saying grass is green or water is wet...it's too GD obvious at this point. (Knocks over mic stand) Mutant out!!!

I disagree with your train of thought, and I don't think Luke's comments were out of touch at all. I buy BluRay Combo packs because of the availability to see the bonus features, but I prefer to watch the dvd of the movie because of the ease of loading, navigating, and starting and stopping the movie with the resume feature. I want the bonus features, but I find the cumbersome nature of watching BluRay to be a nuisance, especially the inane inability to start and stop a movie in the same place. Dvd is so much easier to use, loads faster, menues are simpler, loading time is minimal, and I love the resume feature.

Thank you! My BFF and I have been driven crazy by all the "quirks" of our Blu-ray player. Granted, these are all very minor complaints <b>but</b> (and this is coming from someone who is no expert on picture quality, so you may want to disregard), the pros just haven't quite outweighed the cons for me when it comes to the Blu-ray vs. DVD debacle. There are a lot of kinks that need to be sorted out before I will be convinced that Blu-ray is the ultimate in home entertainment.

And, clearly, I've switched over to Blu-ray, so <i>please</i> no one say that I'm bitter, clinging to my DVDs.

[Disney's Divinity]

It seems to me that the only time Blu-ray vs. DVD wars start are when DVD stans bitch about blu-ray.

The people with Blu-Rays aren't the ones being denied bonus features. So I agree there's a reason for DVD owners to get annoyed.

[SWillie!]

It seems to me that the only time Blu-ray vs. DVD wars start are when DVD stans bitch about blu-ray.

The people with Blu-Rays aren't the ones being denied bonus features. So I agree there's a reason for DVD owners to get annoyed.

But that's exactly his point.

It's just the natural progression of things - as new, superior technology is developed, older technology is pushed aside and eventually abandoned completely. This argument would be comparable to people who have stuck with CDs in the age of digital music. I haven't heard many complain (at least seriously, like the DVD people do) about the fact they spent all this money on CDs, and now the industry wants them to buy music online!! AND they've cut back on packaging on CDs! AND preordering on iTunes is the only way to get a ton of bonus features with the music?!! (EDIT: Also, I know what argument is coming here, so don't tell me "because you can still transfer your old CDs into digital music." Because a blu-ray player still allows you to play your old DVDs, as well.)

It's the same battle (yes, I understand the shift from CDs to digital is a bigger one than from DVDs to Blu-ray), but for some reason DVD people just won't accept that blu-ray is on it's way to being the new standard. At this point, with how much money has been invested and spent, there is no way that anything else will happen.

Since switching to blu-ray is still YOUR CHOICE (no one is forcing you to buy blu-rays), you have to weigh the pros and cons for yourself. If you CHOOSE to go blu, that's fine. If you CHOOSE to stick with your DVDs, that's fine too. But you have made that choice knowing full well that you won't be getting the best of the best. It's time to accept that DVDs will no longer be getting all the extras, because no amount of complaining about it will do anything to change it.

New technology in, old technology out. Simple as that.

[monorail91]

And as much as it bothers me personally (I get the Blu-ray/DVD combo packs, knowing I will someday get a Blu-ray player) that the DVDs in those sets get no special features, Disney is still good to release special 2-disc DVD-only editions as well. Unfortunately they don't seem to do the same follow-through on non-Diamond Editions though. Tangled DVD doesn't look like it has any good special features.

[MJW]

How? The coupon specifically states $5 off the 3D combo pack only?

I'd be surprised if Best Buy allowed it.

I wouldn't be. As I said previously, the Tim Burton "Alice in Wonderland" coupon was for the three disc combo pack and I used it on the one disc version. There's other reports of people doing similar things with the coupons.

Sorry, I completely forgot that the coupon was only good towards the 3D combo pack. I keep doing that for some reason! Maybe because this is the first title I am buying that is being released in more than one Blu-ray combo pack. I'm so used to being able to use every coupon on the regular combo pack.

This is an issue that is often discussed in couponing blogs/articles. Any manufacturer's coupon will often work for another product of the same brand if the cashier doesn't read the details of the coupon and notice the details of the item, but that doesn't make it ok to do so. Stores may not be reimbursed the value of the coupon if it is used on the wrong item. Technically it's wrong, even if it works sometimes.

I agree with you and for that reason I've always been apprehensive about trying to do something along the lines of using a coupon for something other than what is advertised. Even though I like a good deal, I know I'd end up feeling guilty that I "tricked" the cashier into doing something for my benefit. I most likely won't attempt to use the coupon on the 2D combo pack; I'm either going to just buy the 2D combo at sale price or use the coupon on the 3D combo. I'm still kind of undecided at this point. At Target I think it's only a $5 difference between the two, so we'll see.

[MutantEnemy]

I find the cumbersome nature of watching BluRay to be a nuisance, especially the inane inability to start and stop a movie in the same place. Dvd is so much easier to use, loads faster, menues are simpler, loading time is minimal, and I love the resume feature.

If Disney wasn't using tricks and gimmicks to push BluRay then they'd have disc art on both discs and bonus features available on both formats. I'm not against improved technology, I'm just frustrated when that technology is inferior in its ease of use to another format. I feel like I have to tolerate the flaws of the newer technology to get access to the bonus features, and the superior picture quality is nice, but its as though that aspect of the format was achieved before the rest of the technology (ease of use) was perfected.

Seriously...the reason the loading times are faster with DVD is because it's DVD...less screen resolution, less dynamic sound, just plain less. Menu's are simpler because that's how limited DVD is with it's ability to navigate. The intricate menu's are one of the things I love about Blu-ray, have you seen the Tangled main menu...it's gorgeous! Blu-ray has the ability to bring up the chapter listing, WHILE YOU WATCH THE MOVIE!!! Try doing that with DVD...oh wait....I just don't know how easy you want it. Do you want it to do things before you think them. I mean how hard is it to use a remote control. I worry about the future (more) if using a remote control is considered "hard". Blu-ray is extremely easy to use. Squabbling over a resume feature is such a try-hard way to diss Blu-ray. I mean really...

[monorail91]

Unboxing of 2-disc Blu-ray/DVD combo pack

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4r1o91D ... er&list=UL

Sorry if it's already been posted! DVD is gray and boring...come on, Disney