jeremy88 wrote:oh going back to this plot connecting to the original film and the series...
You could look at is as, Ursula being banished long before Ariel's beginning. And then the series takes place right after Ariel's Beginning. And then after the series the original films starts...I think that order would make the most logical sense. So I guess if you watch it and the order it makes sense...it still doesn't answer as to why Ursula was banned from Atlantica.
There's one problem with that...
In the TV series, it shows that Ariel met Flounder when both were children. The prequel has them meeting 10 years after Athena's death.
In my opinion, the TV series means nothing in the movie canon. Whatever its presented in the series plays very little in the continuity of the films.
One other thing I just realized...The prequel makes it out like Triton finally appreciates that Ariel and his sisters are living beings with hearts and shouldn't treat them like soldiers in an army. In other words, Triton learned to loosen up and that Ariel has a wisdom of the world that is enchanting and life changing, and maybe he should listen to her more often.
Apparently a year after the prequel Triton goes back to being a hate happy jerk who once against disses Ariel's dreams as childish and foolish simply because of his own foolish beliefs.
Not saying that people can't forget what they learned, or never change, but the prequel makes it out like Triton truly changed by the end of the movie, but if you watch the first movie after the prequel you'll be surprised to see that Triton is still an angry tyrant that bosses his daughter a little too much...
In the TV series, it shows that Ariel met Flounder when both were children. The prequel has them meeting 10 years after Athena's death.
In my opinion, the TV series means nothing in the movie canon. Whatever its presented in the series plays very little in the continuity of the films.
One other thing I just realized...The prequel makes it out like Triton finally appreciates that Ariel and his sisters are living beings with hearts and shouldn't treat them like soldiers in an army. In other words, Triton learned to loosen up and that Ariel has a wisdom of the world that is enchanting and life changing, and maybe he should listen to her more often.
Apparently a year after the prequel Triton goes back to being a hate happy jerk who once against disses Ariel's dreams as childish and foolish simply because of his own foolish beliefs.
Not saying that people can't forget what they learned, or never change, but the prequel makes it out like Triton truly changed by the end of the movie, but if you watch the first movie after the prequel you'll be surprised to see that Triton is still an angry tyrant that bosses his daughter a little too much...
Funny how it all works out, no?
omg you are so right, I forgot about that detail...Thats it I give up, this movie makes about as much sense as Anchovies in a 7-11 Slurpee sandwhich...still a semi good movie i guess if you want to look passed all the continuities and errors.
pap64 wrote:One other thing I just realized...The prequel makes it out like Triton finally appreciates that Ariel and his sisters are living beings with hearts and shouldn't treat them like soldiers in an army. In other words, Triton learned to loosen up and that Ariel has a wisdom of the world that is enchanting and life changing, and maybe he should listen to her more often.
Apparently a year after the prequel Triton goes back to being a hate happy jerk who once against disses Ariel's dreams as childish and foolish simply because of his own foolish beliefs.
Not saying that people can't forget what they learned, or never change, but the prequel makes it out like Triton truly changed by the end of the movie, but if you watch the first movie after the prequel you'll be surprised to see that Triton is still an angry tyrant that bosses his daughter a little too much...
Funny how it all works out, no?
From what I've seen (and trust me, I've seen a lot), by the end of the movie he just seems to accept that banning music was selfish of him, and doing so almost ultimately got his youngest daughter killed. He seems sorry, and eventually moves on from mourning and he, himself, accepts music back into his life.
We'll see... FOUR MORE HOURS HERE IN HAWAII! Although, I probably won't be able to get it until tomorrow afternoon, at the latest...
Ooh your in Hawaii? Lucky you lol. Omg you should do a signature of you doing the same pose as Marina in front of like...Hawaiien Palm Trees or something, and it says "Greetings from Hawaii! wish you were here -Vermin Friends"
jeremy88 wrote:Ooh your in Hawaii? Lucky you lol. Omg you should do a signature of you doing the same pose as Marina in front of like...Hawaiien Palm Trees or something, and it says "Greetings from Hawaii! wish you were here -Vermin Friends"
LOL That would be funny. And yes, I am in Hawaii. Oahu, not Kauai like in Lilo and Stitch, though.
Anyway, I remember reading someone say something about Flounder doing something reminiscent of his "Kiss the Girl" scene- is that true?
I've seen similarities to "Poor Unfortunate Souls", "Part of Your World" (and the reprise, of course)- and a few other that I'm saving for later... but I haven't seen anything similar to Flounder spitting water in the air while swimming in a circle... lol
Awww! I loved it, it was great! I was fearing for alot worse, from others opinions. Ariel's sisters are too funny, I thought they did great for a direct to video.
I am glad Marina wasn't a big bad villain, because then Ariel would have been alot stronger, and she needed to have some naive-ness for the original to play well.
Vermin Friends wrote:
Anyway, I remember reading someone say something about Flounder doing something reminiscent of his "Kiss the Girl" scene- is that true?
He does something that is the same as the boat scene in the beginning of the little mermaid 1.
For me, I choose to still look at the animated series as part of continuity, they just chose to retcon some things. Just like in this movie, Flounder has a total different personality then he does in the original movie.
But I am watching the movie now and I am throughly enjoying every minute of it.
Ok I just finished it and it was good for the most part. Some things could have been better but it was enjoyable. And I think this ends perfectly to basically set up the beginning of the Little Mermaid animated series that takes us through to the first movie.
hmmm i'm still downloading it (will this film EVER be released in Australia?!) but I think I'm going to enjoy this film
I generally enjoy these sequels (or at least Cinderella III, Scamp's Adventure, TLK III, Return to Neverland, The Tigger Movie, Pooh's Grand Adventure, TLM II, BatB II). And they made heaps of money! It's a shame this is the last one (I feel so anyway)
Well, I have to say I wasn’t disappointed. This is probably my favorite sequel after the Aladdin ones. But, to please the pessimists, I will give my thoughts on several bad moments, as of course I knew there would be.
- The introductory shot is kind of strange, with the flat ocean and then it shows the merfolk as if they're above and below the ocean at the same time. Once it gets off that shot, the beginning's really good.
- Marina is a really great character (most likely my favorite to come from a sequel) up til the point that she sets the eels loose. It's just a bit too extreme and, even though she obviously had temper issues, she really wasn't enough of a loose canon to go that far.
- Another thing about Marina, how did she know where to find Ariel and her sisters when they disappeared? It makes no sense, as she had no password and no witnesses (who would've told Triton first thing anyway) to help her get through to the club. Perhaps, if she is supposed to be some kind of tribute to Ursula, she knows a bit more about Atlantica's underworld than she lets on?
- The catfish club and Flounder's voices. These characters don't bother me and I don't find Flounder out-of-character, but the voicing is horrible. The same thing happened with Thumper in Bambi and the Great Prince. Things that could've been cute and adorable come out annoying.
- The mix of 3D and animation. I despise when movies do this, but I'm less critical of this film using it considering it is a sequel and not a full-fledged production.
As for the good things:
- I loved the scenes with Triton and Athena interacting. When she reaches up and caresses his face in the sunset, I so "awwwed." Also, her death was done so-so to me. It wasn't great, but it wasn't horrible either. It's likely she thought the ship wouldn't hit her and that she could simply swim underneath it. Just an accident that happened.
- The dialogue, for the most part, was very well done. A lot of times with sequels, the worst part is the unnecessary chatter or horribly-done conversation, and Ariel's Beginning thankfully avoided it for the most part. The only moment that I can think of this happening is when Ariel says "I can't stay here without music" (or something along those lines). I thought Ariel had good reasons to leave, but that's a stupid way to put it. Besides that part, I loved it.
- There were so many great moments (from Marina waking the girls up to Ariel singing "I Remember"), but my favorite was when Ariel fights with Triton {"I may not remember much about my mother, but I know she wouldn't have wanted this..." PERFECT!) and retreats to her room. From here to the moment she leaves the palace, everything's perfect. The way she looks in the mirror, the fact that her sisters don't support her (I thought they would've went hunky-dory and made them go, "Poor Ariel! I know--I know!"), Triton visiting the statue and the music in the background all go together perfectly.
- The animation was extremely well-done. Any spots where there was imperfection moved quickly enough that you didn't have to endure them. The only thing that annoyed me was the lack of fluidity in the hair and tails, but that didn't really stand out enough to bother the experience. Also, the backgrounds were gorgeous!
I was surprised that I wasn't annoyed by the lack of Kenneth Mars, but the new guy didn't overdo his part (fortunately). I was also surprised by the fact that the music wasn't really noticeable--good or bad. I was expecting a great soundtrack, if nothing else. And I still stand by my opinion that the banning of music is not a ridiculus plot (it could've been, but it was done well enough that it wasn't stupid), that Ariel should not have been focused on the surface and that King Triton does show a difference between this film and the original. In the original, he is still antagonistic towards humans, but he's obviously loving towards Ariel and her sisters. And this makes sense because it's easier to allow music, as it wasn't music that killed Athena. It was simply a reminder.
I also don't think Flounder is out-of-character. Flounder's still a guppy, it's just he's slightly more outgoing because of the catfish club being around.
Listening to most often lately:
Taylor Swift ~ ~ "The Fate of Ophelia"
Taylor Swift ~ "Eldest Daughter"
Taylor Swift ~ "CANCELLED!"
Another thing about Marina, how did she know where to find Ariel and her sisters when they disappeared? It makes no sense, as she had no password and no witnesses (who would've told Triton first thing anyway) to help her get through to the club. Perhaps, if she is supposed to be some kind of tribute to Ursula, she knows a bit more about Atlantica's underworld than she lets on?
Ya I was wondering the same thing. She just pops up out of nowhere.
And I was also surprised that Triton didnt post any guards outside of the sisters room. Espically if he didnt want them to go anywhere. They have an open window to swim out and looks like noone guards the door.
But they did a great job on giving the sisters just enough screen time to get to know them better which I loved the most.
YAY, just got my copy a couple of hours ago! (Preordered @ Best Buy, got a cool-looking souvenir cup that is pretty much the DVD cover but all 3-d-like and such . . . but meh, it was FREE with purchase of the DVD!)
I'll probably be watching it in a bit, but boy am I excited to see it! So far, I like the mixed reviews that I've read, but I still think I'll be able to enjoy this, despite the whole TV series/original TLM canon discontinuity (although I do prefer the TV series plots as a better prequel prior to TLM:AB . . . why can't they just release that whole series on DVD?). Heck, it ain't perfect, but it's all Disney magic.
- Juuchan17
~ Return to the Sea . . . Return to the Little Mermaid! ~
Vermin Friends wrote:About Marina being Ursula: In the original film, Ursula says "in my day, we had fantastical feasts- back when I lived in the palace" implying that Ursula was living in the palace before Ariel's "day" or time. However, Marina would not have been living in the palace if the only reason why she was there was to watch over the girls (presumably after Athena died). Therefore, Ursula must've been around much earlier.
Yes, implying. It is not hard proof that Ursula didn't live around Ariel's time. Being in the palace when Ariel was young would still be Ursula's "day" from long ago. If Ariel was six when Ursula was banished, it would still have been a decade ago, a long way back, back in her day. Also, why are you counting Marina, or TLM3 at all? That's not canon, and neither is the series (I just used it in case you cared about it). I was talking about what can be found in the original film that says Ursula couldn't have been around when Ariel was born. There is nothing.
And if you consider this movie that messes with Flounder, Sebastian, Triton, and even Ariel's characters (music is so prcious to her...that she misses rehearsals and concerts and gives up her voice to explore the human world which she doesn't talk about at all in this prequel?) to be part of the canon...WOW. They are making this thing now, way after the first movie, and not with the people that made the first movie, except Jodi, getting paid to voice the mermaid according to how they wrote her. Hopefully you don't consider TLM 2, with Ariel's character equally messed with to be strict and anal like her father and less Eric or land-loving, to also be canon.
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WillytheDino wrote:I made a fanvid and I would like you all to see it.
Aaaww...That was sweet. It made me tear up a bit.
As for the new guy voicing Triton...Heh, he's anything but new!
He's Jim Cummings! A legend in the voice acting community! He's done Pooh, Tigger, Darkwing Duck, King Louie, Lucky Piquel from Bonkers, Ed the Hyena from "The Lion King" and many other characters for Disney!
He did a pretty good job with Triton. He managed to sound like Kenneth Mars without sounding like an imitation.
Oahu, not Kauai like in Lilo and Stitch, though. 
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