Wish

[PatchofBlue]

I find it funny that Disney claims to be so progressive and wake in terms of racial politics but with their two recent black princesses (LA Ariel and Asha) they don't give them more than one dress. And Disney defenders who will burn down everything around them but never admit that Disney's racial recastings are awful decisions won't note this or call it out. That there is something more intrinsically racist about how Cinderella, Belle, Jasmine, etc. can get so many dress changes but LA Ariel has like one blue dress which is plain and super simple and then the pink variant at the end. Disney is basically saying black girls don't get to wear frilly ballgowns and can only wear plain peasant smocks.

I don't think it's racially motivated, but it is one of my smaller critiques of LA The Little Mermaid that Halle's Ariel didn't get a proper ball gown, though I can also understand why they didn't have the same narrative opportunities that came effortlessly to princesses like Cinderella and Belle. Their films both had balls and the like, and there isn't really anything like that in Ariel's film except I guess Eric and Vanessa's wedding, and it wouldn't have made internal sense for her to be given a fancy outfit for something she wasn't invited to.

I've wondered if part of the reason why Ariel's fins are so frilly is because they were trying to compensate for the absence of a proper ballgown, but they're still filling a short gap for me seeing how Ariel's village dress is one of my favorite outfits from the remakes.

[Thumper_93]

In the broadway show there is a ball scene and honestly I think that it would've been lovely seeing something like that in the LA film. Also in the book TLM dances in front of the prince. Maybe they didn't do it to make it less like a classic Princess movie.
But yes, Disney needs to make different costumes for their female characters. It's a good way to attract people and to sell more merchandise.

[Pokenonbinary]

Halle Ariel definetly sells merch, her doll was the most succesful doll of last year

And yes Asha needed a final costume, when she became a magician, like someone else said fairy wings would have been cool, something in the style of the Winx

[Pokenonbinary]

Even Queen Amaia wears the same dress during all the film. She's a Queen! Give her another stunning dress!

Exactly, make her like Padme from the Star Wars prequels or like the blue woman from Ralph Breaks The Internet

I will ALWAYS hate animated movies to not change the clothes of the characters, it's a big budget movie you have the money to make 5 or 6 outfits for each character (even if the outfit change is just the color of the clothes)

[Thumper_93]

Halle Ariel definetly sells merch, her doll was the most succesful doll of last year

And yes Asha needed a final costume, when she became a magician, like someone else said fairy wings would have been cool, something in the style of the Winx

Ariel's dolls sold well between fans because some of them bought even 4 units of her. Months after the release all her doll were on sale even in Spain where dolls don't use to have 70% of disscount. The only dolls that I've seen with this great disscount were TLM LA, Wish and Peter Pan LA. She had a great weeks on amazon but that's all. Even the Disney store singing one was on sale for months.
The other day I saw the shelves full of the jakks pacific TLM dolls while other shells of disney dolls were empty. This kind of movies only sells when they are released.

[Lavendergolden]

I find it funny that Disney claims to be so progressive and wake in terms of racial politics but with their two recent black princesses (LA Ariel and Asha) they don't give them more than one dress. And Disney defenders who will burn down everything around them but never admit that Disney's racial recastings are awful decisions won't note this or call it out. That there is something more intrinsically racist about how Cinderella, Belle, Jasmine, etc. can get so many dress changes but LA Ariel has like one blue dress which is plain and super simple and then the pink variant at the end. Disney is basically saying black girls don't get to wear frilly ballgowns and can only wear plain peasant smocks.

I don't think it's racially motivated, but it is one of my smaller critiques of LA The Little Mermaid that Halle's Ariel didn't get a proper ball gown, though I can also understand why they didn't have the same narrative opportunities that came effortlessly to princesses like Cinderella and Belle. Their films both had balls and the like, and there isn't really anything like that in Ariel's film except I guess Eric and Vanessa's wedding, and it wouldn't have made internal sense for her to be given a fancy outfit for something she wasn't invited to.

I've wondered if part of the reason why Ariel's fins are so frilly is because they were trying to compensate for the absence of a proper ballgown, but they're still filling a short gap for me seeing how Ariel's village dress is one of my favorite outfits from the remakes.

In the broadway show there is a ball scene and honestly I think that it would've been lovely seeing something like that in the LA film. Also in the book TLM dances in front of the prince. Maybe they didn't do it to make it less like a classic Princess movie.
But yes, Disney needs to make different costumes for their female characters. It's a good way to attract people and to sell more merchandise.

Not to mention the original movie has a dinner scene where Ariel dresses up. It would be very easy to do that in the remake but the remake removed the dinner scene. All the remakes so far have had dance scenes for Cinderella, Belle, and Jasmine with their princes in their festive dresses. Ariel easily could have had that but didn't.

Also like you said, the original fairy tale has the mermaid dance for the prince with slaves. Would have been very easy to write in such a scene or ball. Beauty and the Beast, the original fairy tale, has no ball or ballroom scene. Now Beast movies all feature that because the Disney one added it and made it a classic. Mermaid could have added one too like the Broadway show.

I'm not shocked that LA Ariel merch didn't sell because she has no pretty dresses. Cinderella, Belle, and Jasmine had so much merch for so many dresses. I saw Cinderella's wedding dress, Belle's "wedding" dress (which is not a wedding one officially because of Emma Watson but we all know the truth), Jasmine's wedding dress and Jasmine's pink dress get costumes and dolls. I didn't see anyone selling costumes of LA Ariel's dress because why would anybody pay money to wear something so simple and inelegant. And of course she doesn't have a wedding dress.

[Pokenonbinary]

Halle Ariel definetly sells merch, her doll was the most succesful doll of last year

And yes Asha needed a final costume, when she became a magician, like someone else said fairy wings would have been cool, something in the style of the Winx

Ariel's dolls sold well between fans because some of them bought even 4 units of her. Months after the release all her doll were on sale even in Spain where dolls don't use to have 70% of disscount. The only dolls that I've seen with this great disscount were TLM LA, Wish and Peter Pan LA. She had a great weeks on amazon but that's all. Even the Disney store singing one was on sale for months.
The other day I saw the shelves full of the jakks pacific TLM dolls while other shells of disney dolls were empty. This kind of movies only sells when they are released.

I read in 2023 that her doll was extremly succesful, maybe just in the USA?

[The Disneynerd]

Andreas Deja was the only gay man but he was never flamboyant or over the top like the ones today.

funny how all his villains are so gay! but thats also part of what makes them so fun and entertaining to watch

I've read stories that today at Disney, they only hire ethnic minorities, women, and nonbinaries. Even a white gay male is considered not inclusive enough for hire now. There was a story on Instagram about how if one person starts singing Part of Your World in the workrooms, everybody joins in singing because this crowd grew up entirely on 90s movies so I feel that shows the problem with Disney today. More fangirls and fanboys who have been hired because of the labels they apply to themselves.

Thats exactly what Wish feels like: being a movie made by Disneyfans

I guess this is one of the movies that are so bad that i would unironically love to rewatch it. Like those typical trash movies like Catwoman 2004 or Hansel and Gretel: Witchhunters that are so aggressively dumb and weird, that they almost give a soft irratating impression of being satire while taking themselves too seriously that they are actually fun to rewatch.
rewatching wish like next week would be good

I agree, Its also a small problem for me whenever movie characters just wear one outfit the entire time, especially on different occasions. Its giving cartoon character vibes where they wear their Signature outfit everyday, like Phineas and Ferb, or basically any animated series. Frozen had like 10 outfit changes per movie, which i liked. Its only funny when characters are self aware of it or make fun of that

[Sotiris]

Wish will be part of "Disney Villains: Unfairly Ever After" at Disney World.


Source: https://disneyparksblog.com/wdw/new-det ... ney-world/

[Lavendergolden]

Andreas Deja was the only gay man but he was never flamboyant or over the top like the ones today.

funny how all his villains are so gay! but thats also part of what makes them so fun and entertaining to watch

I've read stories that today at Disney, they only hire ethnic minorities, women, and nonbinaries. Even a white gay male is considered not inclusive enough for hire now. There was a story on Instagram about how if one person starts singing Part of Your World in the workrooms, everybody joins in singing because this crowd grew up entirely on 90s movies so I feel that shows the problem with Disney today. More fangirls and fanboys who have been hired because of the labels they apply to themselves.

Thats exactly what Wish feels like: being a movie made by Disneyfans

I guess this is one of the movies that are so bad that i would unironically love to rewatch it. Like those typical trash movies like Catwoman 2004 or Hansel and Gretel: Witchhunters that are so aggressively dumb and weird, that they almost give a soft irratating impression of being satire while taking themselves too seriously that they are actually fun to rewatch.
rewatching wish like next week would be good

Yes, his Gaston, Jafar, and Scar are all so iconic for their queer coding. And I'm sure if he had worked on Yzma for Kingdom of the Sun, she would have followed suit and been more of a camp icon like Cruella and Ursula. Sadly that wasn't meant to be.

There are movies that are considered garbage that I do love like Batman and Robin. I enjoy that movie but maybe because it was one of the only Batman movies I grew up watching so I have nostalgia for it. But I also don't think it's as awful as it's made out to be. I know now it's trendy to either hatewatch or to watch movies that are considered awful so you can laugh at them, but I guess I never jumped onto that trend because I couldn't watch anything I think is garbage or terrible over and over. Like Catwoman, I've seen bits and pieces of on TV but I couldn't get through it. That really is a garbage movie and not one I would watch. Wish is more like that for me. I don't see myself ever rewatching that because it felt like an AI movie to me.

Which probably has to do with what you said about it being created by Disney fans who were more obsessed about audiences catching every Disney reference and easter egg. Which I also felt was lost on me because what works in hand-drawn animation doesn't necessarily work in CGI. Enchanted had easter eggs which worked because they were hand-drawn like the original movies. Some of the Wish stuff I didn't even realize were callbacks until I saw online that Asha running away into the forest is supposed to be Snow White running into the forest. With the different hairstyle and lack of cape and CGI medium, it didn't look anything like Snow White's running to me. Same with the King coming down the staircase being modeled on the Evil Queen. It just looks too different in CGI.

And I have no respect for Disney that after claiming they would use painterly CGI for Tangled, they scrapped that and in all the years since, haven't done that ever again. Meanwhile Sony and Dreamworks both have used CGI that looks more hand-drawn and has that painted quality to it. Both of them were considered behind Disney but they're more advanced in terms of technology now and have made multiple films with the new hand-drawn/CGI merged style. Meanwhile Disney keeps using their basic CGI they've been using since Tangled (or technically since Chicken Little) and the one time they branched out was putting a filter on it to make Wish which looked like a TV special's animation quality. Disney has not progressed since Tangled and they keep remaking the same movie over and over. I guess I can understand because Tangled was their first hit since Tarzan and saved the fairy tale medium for Disney, so they've felt they can just reuse the female character design and the personality types over and over and get an instant success. But if every film since Tangled has been a copy then Wish comes across like a photocopy made from the 1183th photocopy of the original template. There's nothing left to print in that copy now. No substance.

[Thumper_93]

Wish will be part of "Disney Villains: Unfairly Ever After" at Disney World.


Source: https://disneyparksblog.com/wdw/new-det ... ney-world/

Wow! Even Clayton will be there!

[Pokenonbinary]

Wish will be part of "Disney Villains: Unfairly Ever After" at Disney World.


Source: https://disneyparksblog.com/wdw/new-det ... ney-world/

I'm happy they're not letting the movie die completely like Strange World

[The Disneynerd]

Yes, his Gaston, Jafar, and Scar are all so iconic for their queer coding. And I'm sure if he had worked on Yzma for Kingdom of the Sun, she would have followed suit and been more of a camp icon like Cruella and Ursula. Sadly that wasn't meant to be.

Agree, especially seeing the Animation with the cut Song i suppose he animated early on, tho Yzma is already iconic enough!

But if every film since Tangled has been a copy then Wish comes across like a photocopy made from the 1183th photocopy of the original template. There's nothing left to print in that copy now. No substance.

Exactly! I guess Tangled is somehow also a throwback thing when you really think about it, like Rapunzels personality and looks aiming to lean on Ariel, Kiss the Girl Boat sequence (with the famous almost kiss), Beasts emotional revival after dying (which every newer movie failed to replicate like Moan 2 or F2 as there was no emotional build up to those sacrifices... )etc. Tangled took elements that worked but still managed to feel fresh, like with the dynamic between Eugene and Blondie/ Brownie, you never really saw the haters to lovers trope in past WDAS movies, only love at first sight or friends to lovers, (as i typed that I forgot about Esmeralda and Phoebus or Tiana and Naveen oopsie) and being the first CG fairytale! Wish however was DEPENDING on them. I also wouldnt be surprised if the Scrript was done by AI, especially the lyrics! "This Wish" was clearly written to fit into every Disney protagonist in existence

And I have no respect for Disney that after claiming they would use painterly CGI for Tangled, they scrapped that and in all the years since, haven't done that ever again. Meanwhile Sony and Dreamworks both have used CGI that looks more hand-drawn and has that painted quality to it. Both of them were considered behind Disney but they're more advanced in terms of technology now and have made multiple films with the new hand-drawn/CGI merged style.

They clearly have the recources to do that, but atleast other studios are killing it right now, especially Arcane! The brainless trendfollower that WDAS is right now will thankfully make them follow that new Animation pattern eventually!

[Lavendergolden]

Yes, his Gaston, Jafar, and Scar are all so iconic for their queer coding. And I'm sure if he had worked on Yzma for Kingdom of the Sun, she would have followed suit and been more of a camp icon like Cruella and Ursula. Sadly that wasn't meant to be.

Agree, especially seeing the Animation with the cut Song i suppose he animated early on, tho Yzma is already iconic enough!

But if every film since Tangled has been a copy then Wish comes across like a photocopy made from the 1183th photocopy of the original template. There's nothing left to print in that copy now. No substance.

Exactly! I guess Tangled is somehow also a throwback thing when you really think about it, like Rapunzels personality and looks aiming to lean on Ariel, Kiss the Girl Boat sequence (with the famous almost kiss), Beasts emotional revival after dying (which every newer movie failed to replicate like Moan 2 or F2 as there was no emotional build up to those sacrifices... )etc. Tangled took elements that worked but still managed to feel fresh, like with the dynamic between Eugene and Blondie/ Brownie, you never really saw the haters to lovers trope in past WDAS movies, only love at first sight or friends to lovers, (as i typed that I forgot about Esmeralda and Phoebus or Tiana and Naveen oopsie) and being the first CG fairytale! Wish however was DEPENDING on them. I also wouldnt be surprised if the Scrript was done by AI, especially the lyrics! "This Wish" was clearly written to fit into every Disney protagonist in existence

And I have no respect for Disney that after claiming they would use painterly CGI for Tangled, they scrapped that and in all the years since, haven't done that ever again. Meanwhile Sony and Dreamworks both have used CGI that looks more hand-drawn and has that painted quality to it. Both of them were considered behind Disney but they're more advanced in terms of technology now and have made multiple films with the new hand-drawn/CGI merged style.

They clearly have the recources to do that, but atleast other studios are killing it right now, especially Arcane! The brainless trendfollower that WDAS is right now will thankfully make them follow that new Animation pattern eventually!

I think Yzma is more of a cult villain than a really iconic one. She's not a household name like Cruella or Ursula.

Tangled definitely took inspiration from a lot of Disney movies, plus Anastasia and Barbie as Rapunzel. Rapunzel's personality and design is based off of Ariel but if Ariel was the 80s version, then Rapunzel was the 2000s version of what a teenage girl is like. The sheltered personality and wanting to see the outside world came from Jasmine. So did the relationship between a sheltered girl and a thief coming from Jasmine and Aladdin. Flynn being a conman who tries to trick Rapunzel but then falls in love with her over his own ambitions was straight from Dimitri in Anastasia. And Rapunzel being a lost princess who learns her identity came from Anastasia and Barbie's Rapunzel. The kingdom dance seemed like Ariel and Eric dancing in the village. The I See the Light sequence was another romantic boat scene like Kiss the Girl. Flynn's healing was straight from the Beast's resurrection. I think this is why Tangled became so popular and beloved because it drew heavily on the most popular movies of the 90s, Mermaid, Beast, Aladdin, and Anastasia. All the classic fairy tale films, not to mention still drawing on the actual Walt-era classic fairy tale movies. A wicked witch/stepmother like in Snow White and Cinderella. A blonde princess like Aurora and Cinderella. The first princess to wear a crown since Sleeping Beauty (unless you count Anastasia here as well).

It's the fact that Disney is not some independent art studio. They're supposed to be the biggest and richest but haven't made any strides in technology since they started using CGI regularly. They did the Paperman short once and abandoned it forever. Sony and Dreamworks are so far ahead of the curve now that Disney feels really outdated and old school, even if they think they're being relevant by mocking their movies with joke after joke. Dreamworks may make fun of Disney but they don't make fun of themselves. I haven't seen Arcane but a lot of my friends watch it so it must be something special. Knowing Disney, they will jump on this bandwagon only when it's outdated and other studios have moved onto something else.

[Sotiris]

Wish will be part of the nighttime parade "Disney Starlight: Dream the Night Away" at Disney World.


Source: https://x.com/DisneyParks/status/1905681292592558437

[Thumper_93]

Star is also appearing in some merchandise. Steven Thompson has also made a snow globe for the Disney store and one of the characters that appears on it is Star.

[UmbrellaFish]

Great eye! I saw this on the Disney Store website but did not register Star. I’m so glad Star is still being used!

[Thumper_93]

Great eye! I saw this on the Disney Store website but did not register Star. I’m so glad Star is still being used!

They are going to earn as much money as they can using it. I think that they had too much expectations on this character and that they expected a better receivement from the audience.

[DisneyFan09]

Well, it`s hard to even see him in that globe. But frankly I never liked his design, so I don`t care about him being included. At least Asha and Valentino looked better than Star.

[PatchofBlue]

I'm glad that Disney isn't totally abandoning the property, even if I wasn't super impressed with it.

It helps set some precedence for Disney weaving in their box office failures into merchandising and whatnot, though I don't know how long it will take until we get a Treasure Planet parade float.