Moana

[jazzflower92]

Another "Race Bait" article from the Huffington Post, comparing Maui to Song of the South's Unle Remus.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/zip ... 314afeadda

You got to be kidding me.

[disneyprincess11]

Good grief, there is zero comparison between Maui and Remus. This person really lost when he tried to compare Maui with MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. This is why we can't have nice things

[D82]

No new music was revealed on Good Morning America. It looks like they are saving it for when the film's release is closer. But if you want to see the interview with Lin-Manuel, here's the part where he talks about Moana: https://youtu.be/xqPRNQIZAZY?t=336
Here’s also a backstage video where he talks a bit more about the film, though he doesn’t say anything too important: http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/lin-man ... s-42775509

There's some never-before-seen artwork in there too. Thanks for letting us know!

You’re welcome. There was some nice artwork from other Disney films in the exhibition as well, and it seems there’s a book that I suppose contains all the concept art on display. I hope the exhibition travels to other countries too, including Spain, like the Pixar exhibition, so I can visit it.

[D82]

Here are some news and new stuff about the movie.

Interview with choreographer Tiana Liufau:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OpdMOfjrkE[/youtube]


Live chat with John Musker and Ron Clements where, among other things, they talk about Moana: https://www.facebook.com/DisneyExaminer ... =3&theater


It seems each crew department has his own Moana shirt. Here's the story crew shirt: https://twitter.com/_paul_briggs_/statu ... 7759816704


It has been confirmed that Christopher Jackson sings in the opening of the film:

https://twitter.com/Lin_Manuel/status/7 ... 1723464704

He also recorded an original song written by Miranda for the new Disney film Moana, in theaters Nov. 23.

Source: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/c ... way-938394


And, according to an attendant, the Moana sneak peek at Disney California Adventure Park includes a clip of a brand new song from the movie: https://www.instagram.com/p/BLhc0XFD6Vm/

[D82]

Dwayne Johnson and Auli'i Cravalho have unveiled a Moana-themed airplane at the Honolulu International Airport:

https://ohmy.disney.com/news/2016/10/15 ... -airplane/
http://pbcbstudios.tumblr.com/post/1518 ... -and-moana


And there's a pair of new shots from the film in this video:

https://youtu.be/chM9SaKhGCQ?t=40

[RyGuy]

And, according to an attendant, the Moana sneak peek at Disney California Adventure Park includes a clip of a brand new song from the movie: https://www.instagram.com/p/BLhc0XFD6Vm/

I was at Disney California Adventure today and saw the sneak peek. The brand new song is "We Know the Way" so I'm thinking they meant brand new to the general public, not necessarily brand new to those of us who have been following this film in development. They only showed a couple of very brief parts of the song (you could see people singing) but it was mashed up with other scenes. And the part of the song you heard was already included in previous trailers and whatnot.

That being said this movie looks amazing in terms of art direction. They revealed a bit more of the story but not enough to give a hint of whether the story will be good. What I saw it reminded me of Pocahontas, Brother Bear, Brave, and Frozen.

Personally I'm looking forward to it. I already was looking forward to the film and what I saw today made me even more excited for the release.

[Disney's Divinity]

What I saw it reminded me of Pocahontas, Brother Bear, Brave, and Frozen.

Personally I'm looking forward to it. I already was looking forward to the film and what I saw today made me even more excited for the release.

I think those are perfect comparisons.

I read one of the spoiler books from tumblr (thanks to D82) and it gave me more excitement for the film, even though I don't expect it to look as beautiful as the Little Golden Book's stylized artwork.

[D82]

Halloween TV spot with new footage. Includes the first look at Tamatoa in the actual film.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ccxO3LA4_4[/youtube]

[D82]

And, according to an attendant, the Moana sneak peek at Disney California Adventure Park includes a clip of a brand new song from the movie: https://www.instagram.com/p/BLhc0XFD6Vm/

I was at Disney California Adventure today and saw the sneak peek. The brand new song is "We Know the Way" so I'm thinking they meant brand new to the general public, not necessarily brand new to those of us who have been following this film in development. They only showed a couple of very brief parts of the song (you could see people singing) but it was mashed up with other scenes. And the part of the song you heard was already included in previous trailers and whatnot.

That being said this movie looks amazing in terms of art direction. They revealed a bit more of the story but not enough to give a hint of whether the story will be good. What I saw it reminded me of Pocahontas, Brother Bear, Brave, and Frozen.

Personally I'm looking forward to it. I already was looking forward to the film and what I saw today made me even more excited for the release.

Thanks for the info! I had already began to suspect it maybe wasn't a new song because other attendants didn't mention anything about it, and also because it seems Disney is showing the same scenes at many recent events, and they didn't feature new music. I guess these are the same clips we're going to get online when we're closer to the film's release. I'm glad you liked the sneak peek, (and though it doesn't show ) I'm also excited about the movie.

[disneyprincess11]

Thank thank you for the trailer! Tamoata looks fantastic and I'm so pumped for the underworld scenes. What is funny is that I just accidentally turned on Rio on TV and it was Jermaine Clements' song.

[disneyprincess11]

FIRST CLIP!!!!!

https://twitter.com/auliicravalho/statu ... 4018415616

Love it-but ugh, the tweeting line

[DisneyFan09]

The latter clip couldn't be played when I tried to put it on.

Otherwise, I liked the clips, with the huge exception of Tamatoa. He comes across as incredibly awkward in that single shot and I'm looking the least forward to him due to aforementioned reasons.

The first clip on the Airline commercial with Moana looking straight at the camera with a grin must certainly be a promotional shot.

[D82]

This is a much better Moana Monday! We had seen most of the clip in trailers and TV spots, but I liked it. Regarding the Twitter reference, I'm not a big fan of pop references in Disney films either, but that is a Ron & John trademark, so I wasn't surprised.

The latter clip couldn't be played when I tried to put it on.

See if you can watch it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88_Ailmf8Z4

The first clip on the Airline commercial with Moana looking straight at the camera with a grin must certainly be a promotional shot.

I think you are right.

[DisneyFan09]

Aaaah, thanks, D82!

[Sotiris]

I'm not a big fan of pop references in Disney films either, but that is a Ron & John trademark, so I wasn't surprised.

I can't recall any pop culture jokes in any of their films aside from Aladdin and Hercules. In Aladdin it was limited to the Genie where it made sense as part of the movie's internal logic. It's assumed the Genie can travel through time and space and that's why he's anachronistic and why other characters don't "get" the jokes. Hercules was an irreverent, comedic, heavily Americanized take on the myth and it was made clear from the very beginning. The tone was set from the start and the jokes and references were in line with that. However, in Moana these kind of jokes clash with the established tone and feel artificial and forced. I instantly cringed upon hearing the 'tweet' and 'princess' jokes. They're too 'meta'/'wink at the audience' and simply don't work within the film's framework.

I feel really conflicted on this movie. I think I'm really going to like the beginning and the end (which I know thanks to spoilers) but hate the middle. I really can't stand Maui. Every time he's on screen I lose interest. I find this type of stock character unbearable. How many times can they reuse the same cocky, self-absorbed male that annoys the heroine he's paired with but deep down has a heart of gold? Is Disney even capable of writing a different type of male lead anymore? I would have rather Moana taken this journey by herself. It would have made the coming-of-age aspect of the story much more impactful. But of course we can't have that because every single movie needs to be a buddy/road trip flick. Seriously, every WDAS movie under Lasseter, aside from Winnie the Pooh, follows that formula. And that's including Gigantic. Personally, I'm sick of it. I know that the '90s films used formulas and stock characters too but a) they were actually more diverse and nuanced than now b) they were different in tone c) took bolder stylistic and aesthetic choices d) they were tropes developed and established by and within Disney whereas now these are imported from Pixar.

[JeanGreyForever]

I'm not a big fan of pop references in Disney films either, but that is a Ron & John trademark, so I wasn't surprised.

I can't recall any pop culture jokes in any of their films aside from Aladdin and Hercules. In Aladdin it was limited to the Genie where it made sense as part of the movie's internal logic. It's assumed the Genie can travel through time and space and that's why he's anachronistic and why other characters don't "get" the jokes. Hercules was an irreverent, comedic, heavily Americanized take on the myth and it was made clear from the very beginning. The tone was set from the start and the jokes and references were in line with that. However, in Moana these kind of jokes clash with the established tone and feel artificial and forced. I instantly cringed upon hearing the 'tweet' and 'princess' jokes. They're too 'meta'/'wink at the audience' and simply don't work within the film's framework.

I feel really conflicted on this movie. I think I'm really going to like the beginning and the end (which I know thanks to spoilers) but hate the middle. I really can't stand Maui. Every time he's on screen I lose interest. I find this type of stock character unbearable. How many times can they reuse the same cocky, self-absorbed male that annoys the heroine he's paired with but deep down has a heart of gold? Is Disney even capable of writing a different type of male lead anymore? I would have rather Moana taken this journey by herself. It would have made the coming-of-age aspect of the story much more impactful. But of course we can't have that because every single movie needs to be a buddy/road trip flick. Seriously, every WDAS movie under Lasseter, aside from Winnie the Pooh, follows that formula. And that's including Gigantic. Personally, I'm sick of it. I know that the '90s films used formulas and stock characters but a) they were actually more diverse and nuanced than now b) they were different in tone c) took bolder stylistic and aesthetic choices d) they were tropes developed and established by and within Disney whereas now these are imported from Pixar.

I agree with all of this and then some. I'm not a fan of Maui's design at all. I didn't mind so much in the beginning that he is obese and frankly quite ugly. It was just a few stock images and they never do a good job of portraying characters (Elsa's smirk anyone). But even in motion, he has a really ugly face that is jarring to look at, because it seems the animators went out of there way to portray him like this. Reminds me of that Frozen controversy a few years back when an animator said that a male hero could look like anything, but a female hero must always look beautiful. Personally, I prefer my male and female heroes to always look as best as they can be and I don't believe that to be true for Maui at all.

On top of that, I wasn't aware that Maui was a pre-existing mythological character in Maori culture. When you look at his classical depictions, he's portrayed as really buff and more of a Hercules type figure, which I think would have been a much better (and less controversial) way to go about depicting him, because it does bring in a double standard that the Eurocentric hero gets to be beautiful while the "exotic" one looks like a monster. If the story was taking it that Maui was this super buff hero once but since his exile he has let himself go, I think that would still work, but from what I've seen of the movie that doesn't seem to be the case.

[DisneyEra]

I see a lot here are upset about Maui & the "tweeting" Moana clip. I present to you the first trailer to DreamWorks "The Boss Baby"! As Maui would say, Your Welcome
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tquIfapGVqs[/youtube]

[disneyprincess11]

I find this type of stock character unbearable. How many times can they reuse the same cocky, self-absorbed male that annoys the heroine he's paired with but deep down has a heart of gold? Is Disney even capable of writing a different type of male lead anymore? I would have rather Moana taken this journey by herself. It would have made the coming-of-age aspect of the story much more impactful. But of course we can't have that because every single movie needs to be a buddy/road trip flick. Seriously, every WDAS movie under Lasseter, aside from Winnie the Pooh, follows that formula. And that's including Gigantic. Personally, I'm sick of it. I know that the '90s films used formulas and stock characters but a) they were actually more diverse and nuanced than now b) they were different in tone c) took bolder stylistic and aesthetic choices d) they were tropes developed and established by and within Disney whereas now these are imported from Pixar.

100% agree (BH6 doesn't use the stock characters.) What is interesting is that Moana was supposed to be ONLY Maui, but "suddenly" a female character was written and she became the focus like Zootopia. At least with Wreck-It Ralph, it wasn't a cocky and spoiled guy. Ralph & Vanellope had their own personalities (besides the cute princess.) With Gigantic, it was supposed to be a guy giant and a guy and a lot of side characters. And I'm disappointed that it is the same movie with the blonde girl and everything.

On the other hand, I actually enjoyed Maui. I was actually getting ready for not enjoying him because of the same character cliche, but I find him to be extremely likable. And Dwayne sinking it to the role helped.

[jazzflower92]

I'm not a big fan of pop references in Disney films either, but that is a Ron & John trademark, so I wasn't surprised.

I can't recall any pop culture jokes in any of their films aside from Aladdin and Hercules. In Aladdin it was limited to the Genie where it made sense as part of the movie's internal logic. It's assumed the Genie can travel through time and space and that's why he's anachronistic and why other characters don't "get" the jokes. Hercules was an irreverent, comedic, heavily Americanized take on the myth and it was made clear from the very beginning. The tone was set from the start and the jokes and references were in line with that. However, in Moana these kind of jokes clash with the established tone and feel artificial and forced. I instantly cringed upon hearing the 'tweet' and 'princess' jokes. They're too 'meta'/'wink at the audience' and simply don't work within the film's framework.

I feel really conflicted on this movie. I think I'm really going to like the beginning and the end (which I know thanks to spoilers) but hate the middle. I really can't stand Maui. Every time he's on screen I lose interest. I find this type of stock character unbearable. How many times can they reuse the same cocky, self-absorbed male that annoys the heroine he's paired with but deep down has a heart of gold? Is Disney even capable of writing a different type of male lead anymore? I would have rather Moana taken this journey by herself. It would have made the coming-of-age aspect of the story much more impactful. But of course we can't have that because every single movie needs to be a buddy/road trip flick. Seriously, every WDAS movie under Lasseter, aside from Winnie the Pooh, follows that formula. And that's including Gigantic. Personally, I'm sick of it. I know that the '90s films used formulas and stock characters too but a) they were actually more diverse and nuanced than now b) they were different in tone c) took bolder stylistic and aesthetic choices d) they were tropes developed and established by and within Disney whereas now these are imported from Pixar.

Gosh, saying the 90's movie were diverse and nuanced is more nostalgia goggles opinion rather than truth.

If people right here were in the 90's they actually would complain about everything just because the same as before, with minimal differences. I think people are excusing the 90's formula because they grew up on it. Also the Little Mermaid had those types of dated 80's slang that some people themselves complained about, but it didn't hurt the movies' charm.

And the reason why Maui looks not like an everyday Hercules is the fact that it's actually closer to the fact in many myths he was described as being ugly. Although in my opinion, this version of Maui isn't ugly in my opinion but just not conventionally attractive. Why are people complaining about Maui looking like a monster when appearances from the other islanders show men who are physically appealing? It feels people want to nitpick in order to nitpick.

And about the Giants version, I see a lot of problems from the start from the movie like too many characters to juggle and a needless love triangle that would stumble the main plot. It really reminds me of the problems "Kingdom Of the Sun" had when it was in production, so I am actually glad it was switched to Gigantic. I am glad they got rid of the love triangle, because I know how badly they can be handled, just ask Legend of Korra fans.

[Disney's Divinity]

Gosh, saying the 90's movie were diverse and nuanced is more nostalgia goggles opinion rather than truth.

If you think a lineup of characters like Ariel, Aladdin, Belle, Beast, Simba, Quasimodo, Pocahontas, Mulan isn't a little more diverse than every guy between Naveen and Maui having the same personality then I don't know what to tell you. Maybe a preference for "new" is blinding you?