Moana 2

[Farerb]

I don't see how there's any correlation between Moana 2 and Tiana / Princess and the Frog sequel. Moana 2 will be successful because it's a popular IP, not because it was a TV series turned into a movie. As much as I like The Princess and the Frog, this whole PatP "Renaissance" feels so forced, with either the TV series or the parks, I don't know anyone demanding more Princess and the Frog. A theatrical sequel will not be successful, no matter how much Moana 2 does.

[D23ExpoVisitor25]

I don't see how there's any correlation between Moana 2 and Tiana / Princess and the Frog sequel. Moana 2 will be successful because it's a popular IP, not because it was a TV series turned into a movie. As much as I like The Princess and the Frog, this whole PatP "Renaissance" feels so forced, with either the TV series or the parks, I don't know anyone demanding more Princess and the Frog. A theatrical sequel will not be successful, no matter how much Moana 2 does.

It will if they find a good date for it where it won’t be affected by big movies like the first one was by Avatar in 2009.

[Kyle]

I could see a situation where its less "moana 2 does so well, a theatrical princess and the frog 2 should as well" but more, they were forced to release Moana 2 in theaters to stop bleeding so much money by putting it straight to streaming.

But I could see them thinking, if moana 2, a movie they didnt their full theatrical budget on can do decently in theaters for what it is, then maybe pincess and the frog can too.

I admit its a bit of a stretch, mostly seeing as moana 2 going thretrical was probably done after it was mostly done, and and princess and the frog is probably not even started yet if they are still not yet locked in on a medium. But who knows. Theres a lot of uncertainly going on with their future plans as of now, given their series of flops. ideally this is when they start to fight for their lives and really start experimenting, because playing it "safe", you just get wish.

They need to take some chances. If some of those chances are putting projects meant for streaming in a bigger spotlight, then so be it.

But yea, I'm trying to take this with a grain of salt. for the time being I'm trying to tell myself princess and the frog will just be a 3d or flash animated series that is possibly mascaraing as a hand drawn project, like the lion guard or something.

[Disney's Divinity]

I think this film will do well since the original is popular (which is the point of it being turned into a movie and pushing back the original project), although I would've been more excited about the original. Inside Out 2 is the more interesting option of the two studios this year.

I'm keeping my expectations open, but the original reminded me a lot of Wish as far as feeling overbaked and smoothed out to be as banal and inoffensive as possible (only Wish didn't have the benefit of coming when the studio was on a roll like Moana did). I saw a Musker interview recently where even he seemed to feel that way about the film, they really sanded off the unique quality I associate with most of M&C's other films. Without M&C or Miranda involved, this sequel feels sort of weird. I know why the former didn't return (Disney retired them), but I'm not sure why Miranda didn't?

[Kyle]

Because it was probably already made with a tv sized budget, no? Yes, they probably changed some things after the decision to cut it into a movie came about, but it would be like expecting elton jon or hans zimmer to return for the lion guard.

[PatchofBlue]

I mean, they did get Menken and Slater to come back for Tangled: The Series, which feels more comparable to the Moana series than The Lion Guard did.

The TV thing may have been a dealbreaker for Miranda, but it doesn't feel any more likely to me than some other factor, like the fact that he's just been busy. While I am personally intrigued by his involvement with the Mufasa movie, I would have much preferred he stayed with Moana than jump to a different franchise.

[Disney's Divinity]

TBH, I think Menken and Slater only came back for the Tangled series because he was exiled from WDAS more or less. That said, it ended being a great development in the end considering how much great music came from that series (and how great the story was, filler episodes be darned). This series was more important than the Tangled series because WDAS itself was creating it, weren't they? I can understand if they didn't intend the episodes to have any music back when it was a TV series, but I have a feeling audiences will be slightly alienated if a Moana 2 is without any songs. Then again, I forget if a new composer was attached to this back when it was announced.

[Sotiris]

I mean, they did get Menken and Slater to come back for Tangled: The Series, which feels more comparable to the Moana series than The Lion Guard did.

Do you really believe Menken, who is treated as a has-been by the industry and is rarely given any new projects, has the same high fee as Miranda who's Hollywood's new golden boy? Personally, I think Miranda wasn't even offered the position for the Moana TV series and that was strictly because of monetary concerns. I don't believe for a second that Miranda turned down the assignment because he was too busy or because he considered a TV series to be beneath him.

[PatchofBlue]

I honestly don't pretend to have a totality of knowledge over how these things are decided or who has more bargaining power under which astrological sign, especially not next to Menken and his billions of Oscars for Disney versus Miranda's two nominations. I'm just speculating like the rest of us.

[MoonMarc21]

oh my goodness I forgot to post my thoughts on the teaser LOLs

Nothing that interesting aside from the thunder strike and...yeah, that's about it. I did not expect the kakamora to come back which for some reason, to me, was off-putting. That and Maui's line at the end of the trailer. Too overt for my liking, even worse is that he's like talking to the audience which I think one of you already said, maybe farerb. idk how to explain it but it feels like they're reusing the things that the first movie had and reintroducing them for nostalgia's sake, hence my bit of revulsion when I saw the kakamora again and Maui's line. Felt like they should've introduced something new like new monsters from Polynesian mythology instead of doing that. Anyways, may or may not watch it, Wicked still interests me. I guess I felt optimistic for this movie because of how "good-looking" Inside Out 2 is. I still am for this one, just cautiously optimistic.

[Sotiris]

Descriptions of the footage shown at Annecy.

The first footage that was shown was a musical sequence called “We’re Back,” which has Moana (once again voiced by Auliʻi Cravalho) returning from her latest seafaring voyage. Obviously, the song, by Abigal Barlow and Emily Bear, has another meaning since Moana – the character and the franchise – is also returning. But there’s a lot of story that is relayed through the song, as we see various villagers who (spoiler alert!) later become part of Moana’s team, reveling in her accomplishments. They recount her exploits with Maui (Dwayne Johnson), talk about how she’s opened the island and has generally gone beyond her position as the daughter of the village chief. She is so much more.

The next bit of footage introduced Simea, Moana’s little sister. The sequel, Derrick and Hand announced, takes place three years after the first movie but Simea seems to be older than that and the other characters have aged more prominently (Moana’s dad has streaks of grey, Moana herself has been subtly redesigned). Moana and Simea are the closest siblings imaginable, they refer to each other as “Big Sis” and “Little Sis” and Moana’s mission – to make a connection with another island — takes on an even greater importance as she is trying to forge a better future for her little sister.

At a ceremony where her father, the village chief, is going to pronounce Moana “Tautai” – the master of man and sea – lighting strikes the hut. It sends Moana a vision from the distant past and has her commune with the last Tautai, who warns her of a terrible threat. There is a mysterious island called Motufetu that connects all of the Polynesian islands together but it is guarded by a jealous God of Storms. In order for her to defeat the god and open this important island up again, she’s going to have to go on another go-for-broke mission, this time recruiting members of her tribe – including a young woman who designs and maintains the ship named Loto, an elder statesman of the community responsible for the vegetables named Kele and a young storyteller (and Maui fanboy) named Moni. Oh and Hei-Hei the very dumb chicken and her pig pal Pua (now sporting an adorable tiny tusk) also make the trek.

Along the way, they encounter the Kakamora, the little coconut creatures and a giant clam with dangling, Lovecraftian tentacles. One of the Kakamora ships is consumed by the beast and Moana and her crew try to get away before being poison-darted by the Kakamora. While we didn’t see the footage of this, apparently one of the Kakamora, named Kotu, also joins the quest to find Motufetu and defeat the God of Storms. As you do.

Before the presentation ended, Derrick and Hand showed a brief clip that involved everybody’s favorite demigod. In the sequence Maui (once again voiced by Dwayne Johnson) is seen in some kind of cave, next to a large pearl (our guess this is the inside of the hulking clam that was threatening Moana in an early sequence). Maui is being taunted by a largely unseen presence, who talks about how him making Moana a wayfinder has proved a larger threat to their plan. (This unseen presence, voiced by an as-yet-unidentified Australian actress, works for the God of Storms.) There’s something going on in this scene, because Maui is saying that he only used Moana to get his magic hook back. There’s no emotion or sentimentality there. Maybe he’s trying to protect her? It’s a really interesting scene and speaks to the complicated interpersonal dynamics that they are going for in “Moana 2.”

Source: https://www.thewrap.com/moana-2-footage-description/

Derrick added, “We begin our story with Moana, three years after the first film. She’s exploring the seas, searching for new islands, mapping the ocean, hoping to find other people. As the people of Motunui have not seen anyone for generations, Moana knows that the ocean connects us. But to whom? Where are they? She’s looking for proof that others are out there. She’s curious why she hasn’t found anyone.”

Among the still-in-progress footage shared was the film’s opening song, which is an original number from Moana 2 songwriters Abigail Barlow and Emily Bear. During the song, Moana heads home to her village after making a stunning discovery. Another segment from the film shows Moana taking part in a ceremony that is dramatically interrupted by a bolt of lightning. “That can’t be good,” Derrick, who also wrote the film’s script, quipped about the tense moment.

The artwork and footage provided exclusive looks at new characters, including Moana’s younger sister and the members of Moana’s crew, which has expanded beyond rooster Heihei and pig Pua. This includes Moni, described in the presentation as the “island’s most passionate storyteller” and obsessed with Maui, who is absent at the start of the sequel. Scenes involving Heihei and Moni were among those to be greeted with laughter from the crowd.

Source: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movie ... 235922781/

During the presentation, directors David Derrick Jr. and Jason Hand also included clips featuring new characters like Moana’s baby sister, Simea, and the crew for her next adventure: engineer Loto, farmer Kele and enthusiastic Maui superfan Moni. “It’s about connection, to who we are, where we came from,” explained Derrick of the new story, which is set three years after the events in the 2016 Oscar-nominated original movie. This story finds Moana and her crew in search of the lost island of Motufetu, which once connected the ocean, now hidden by a jealous God of Storms.

In all, Disney showed roughly 15 minutes of work in progress from the upcoming movie. In the first clip, Moana (Auli‘i Cravalho) returns from an ocean voyage to a warm welcome from her tribe, featuring one of the new original songs, titled “We’re Back.” Next, she is given a new title in a ceremony on the island, that is interrupted by a bolt of lighting that strike the hut. She learns that she must seek other land and people, and Moana recruits her crew, including the reluctant Kele, who has never left land. As they sail, they narrowly escape a dangerous giant clam-like adversary, but not the threatening Kakamora. Additional footage features Maui, as well as the Mini Maui tattoo who is once again hand-animated, led by Disney legend Eric Goldberg.

Source: https://variety.com/2024/film/global/mo ... 236037776/

David Derrick Jr. and Jason Hand represent two-thirds of the directorial team for Moana 2 (Dana Ledoux Miller stayed in Burbank to keep working on the film), segueing into their presentation by pointing out that Mark Henn was one of the hand-drawn animators for Mini Maui on the first film, and that the apprentices trained on D.I.Y. Duck are working under Eric Goldberg to animate Maui’s tattoos in the sequel.

The sequel begins with Moana returning home to Motunui via a new song called “We’re Back” (previously screened at CinemaCon). Set three years after the first film, there have been a few changes back home, starting with the arrival of Moana’s little sister, Simea. Moana loves her sister dearly, and Simea wants to be just like Moana when she’s older. Moana has been searching for other inhabited islands to try and reunite Oceania, but she has so far been unsuccessful. But on this last voyage, she found an artifact that could help with her quest – a clay jar with a drawing of a mountain beneath a constellation.

In a storyboard sequence, we saw Moana show her father the jar, and he understood its significance. David and Jason also showed concept art of a scene in which Moana introduces Simea to the Cave of Ancestors and tells her about their family’s wayfinding past. In the next scene, Chief Tui holds a ceremony to bestow a great title upon Moana, “Tautai,” which means leader of land and sea. But during the ceremony, which involves drinking from ceremonial cups, lightning almost strikes Moana. The lightning strike triggers a vision for Moana, who is visited by a whale shark, the spirit of one of her ancestors, Tautai Vasa (a familiar face from “We Know the Way”), who had his own incomplete mission to reunite the islands. Through Tautai Vasa, Moana learns about an island called Motufetu, which once connected all of the islands of her people. It’s under a curse from the god of storms. Moana must answer this new call, and her mother, Sina, insists that she assemble a crew to join her this time.

Accompanied again by HeiHei, and with Pua now along for the ride (with one small tusk to age him up a bit), Moana assembles a team to join her quest. There’s the brainy but quirky Loto, grumpy farmer Kele, and Maui’s biggest fan Moni. A clip was shown in which Moana assembled her team, and we next saw the first roadblock on their adventure – Kakamora. But this time, the little coconut people were in their own danger when a giant clam rose up from the depths to feast. One of the Kakamora will join Moana’s team, a new character named Kotu, who was described as being the Kakamora equivalent of Moana. Where is Maui? It’s no secret that he’s back in the film and eventually becomes part of Moana’s crew. In the final clip shown, we see Maui in the lair of an unnamed demigod, a female voice whose face was unseen in the brief sequence. But she warns Maui that the god Nalo is going to destroy Moana if he doesn’t go protect her.

Source: https://www.laughingplace.com/w/disney- ... r-details/

[Farerb]

So... basically a remake.

[D23ExpoVisitor25]

So... basically a remake.

I don’t think so if they’re having the Kakamora team up with Moana and Maui this time and if there’s an actual villain in this movie who is an evil god of storms.

[The Disneynerd]

"...including the reluctant Kele, who has never left land."

But her whole village was voyaging at the finale....him NEVER leaving the Island doesnt make sense...thats Disney Toon studios Quality of story continuity


I truly believe that Pete Doctor and Pixar in a whole really try to put all their passion and honesty in their works, also speaking to their sequels. But in WDAS case? Their becoming the animated Marvel right now, with all the milked Spinoffs (Olafs crap presents and more) and unworthy sequels that dont challenge the characters at ALL! You can tell that WDAS is doing it for the money (yeah Pixar too but they are still passionate and make worthy sequels), especially as Fairytales always tell one classic story with their "happily ever after" thing, Its as if they would do a sequel to Beauty and the Beast cursing the Beast again because he had a rough day lol.

If WDAS really wants/ needs to do sequels, i hope they do it with Book Saga adaptation like Black Cauldron or something in the veins of LotR, or another Marvel Comic book adaptation like BH6 that are already conceptualized with continuations

[D23ExpoVisitor25]

"...including the reluctant Kele, who has never left land."

But her whole village was voyaging at the finale....him NEVER leaving the Island doesn't make sense...thats Disney Toon studios Quality of story continuity

You do know that there could still be some skeptical island folk still reluctant to voyage again, even if Moana made it home alive. Right?

Not everyone can quickly and comfortably assimilate back to the old ways.

[The Disneynerd]

You do know that there could still be some skeptical island folk still reluctant to voyage again, even if Moana made it home alive. Right?

Not everyone can quickly and comfortably assimilate back to the old ways.

Yeah you could be right too , but would be kinda weird if they left someone from their community behind as they always voyaged together, but again the sequel showing them staying in the Island speaks against it again

[D23ExpoVisitor25]

You do know that there could still be some skeptical island folk still reluctant to voyage again, even if Moana made it home alive. Right?

Not everyone can quickly and comfortably assimilate back to the old ways.

Yeah you could be right too , but would be kinda weird if they left someone from their community behind as they always voyaged together, but again the sequel showing them staying in the Island speaks against it again

They could’ve just come back home after the voyage that they just went on at the end of the first movie.

[D23ExpoVisitor25]

Auli’i Cravalho has finished recording her dialogue for Moana 2: https://www.instagram.com/p/C8s-yEFsvag ... htMGZnaA==.

[Patricier21]

They have now indeed hired an official show runner and directors for the Harry Potter TV show (man that’s so painful to even say and think about!

It’s also Unfortunately interesting, because you may have heard Eddie Murphy reconfirm that they are indeed Doing a fifth Shrek, And a donkey spin off that’s gonna come out afterwards, that could very well be released in 2026, which I realize my friends is going to be one of the biggest movie years ever that’s unfortunately ruined by the plan release date of this planned series, And what’s “interesting” about this is that you may remember over a year ago that literally the same day that Eddie Murphy first talked about the donkey spinoff is also when they more officially confirmed moving forward with this, so they are intertwined in someway, being an opposite ends of the spectrum of continuing a franchise one with the original actors/Continuity and one without!Another thing with this that I literally just realized is, and I apologize if this is hard to follow, but with the second Moana coming out, being reworked from what was originally a series, you may have possibly heard that many Disney fans are wondering if the Tianna Disney+ series is gonna be reworked into the second Princess and the frog movie once the second Moana does so well, also especially when you consider of course Tianas bayou adventure and everything else it’s coming out with that. Well, do you think that if the lunatics at WB see this go so well, will they try to possibly rework this show into a new theatrical movie for Harry Potter, which will also help them completely eradicate the original series which will also maybe even help them with the whole issues that the theme parks are going to run into with the original continuity/version?

There is a glimmer of hope that Might reverse this as you may have also heard that the second freaky Friday is indeed going to be theatrically released and coming out next year, so like I sang about last year, Maybe if it does well it might also help them reconsider that? Either way, we must make sure that the second freaky Friday does really well and again do whatever we can to try to stop this show (yes it’s so painful for me to literally acknowledge this!!!!) From happening

[PatchofBlue]

Moana 2 is no longer directly competing with Wicked, though the two of them are still playing into Thanksgiving weekend.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movie ... 235936887/

I personally feel like Wicked would do better just to fall back to its original Christmas spot. Its only real competition there would be the Mufasa movie, which feels like different enough of a musical that both films could find a reasonable audience.

Unless, of course, that movie ended up eating into like Nosferatu's audience somehow