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atlanticaunderthesea wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/artic ... eover.html

I don't get the Victoria's Secret hair, but interesting that her change has been picked up.....
I don't think they understand the difficulties in translating realistically curly CG hair into a hand-drawn and stylized representation that will mesh with the rest of the princess clip art. If they want to focus on how they made her more sexual, it's kind of odd they focused on the hair, eyes, and cheekbones(?!) yet didn't bring up the fact that they bared her shoulders. :p

I actually think they did a good job with some of the book covers. The general clip art? Not so much. She's definitely proportioned a little differently (a smaller torso and bust along with the aforementioned smaller waist) but she's still got dem hips. :mischief: The different proportions don't bother me though, it's just that much of the clip art is kinda . . . meh.
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So... why Disney overlooks Eilonwy, Kida, and Megara?


Megara just because they could add diversity the same way they did with Mulan. In fact, she deserves it more since she married a god. :P

Kida becuase she´s a princess anyways and shares similarities with Pocahontas.

But, if I had to pick one then it would have been Eilonwy since she already has the dress.
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DC Fan wrote:By the way... didn´t stop to think. How is it that Tiana can spend time with the rest of the princesses?

Did she went trough a portal to "Fairytale Land"?
The other Disney princesses may live in made up lands, but they all reside in different European countries and time periods and technically couldn't visit each other either. And Maldonia isn't a real place either.
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Besides coming from flops, Eilonwy and Kida really don't offer anything that Alice and Mulan/Pocahontas do for the line. That's probably their thinking behind leaving them out.

As for Megara, I love that character, but I can understand why she might not be seen as a good fit by Disney. She comes across much older than most of the princesses. Plus, she has a darker, sarcastic personality. She used to be featured on some of the DP merchandise back when the movie first came out though; at least, I have a bunch of stickers with her and Esmeralda included, and her song was on one of those DP compilations. I used to like the white flower they'd have her hold (from the film).
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atlanticaunderthesea wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/artic ... eover.html

I don't get the Victoria's Secret hair, but interesting that her change has been picked up.....
The article show how pathetic and how much they need to get a life those die-hard feminist are. They should go fuck themselves for all I care. It's enough I have to deal with those annoying bastards already in my art school. These die hard feminist are like the the PETA of feminism/feminist movement. Bitching over useless and pointless crap.
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I think Merida looks great on the book covers. But Belle kind of looks like a bitch haha. As for the whole parents freaking out thing people really need to get over it. Parents should be parents and not rely on toys, TV and medication to raise their kids. My mom is a teacher for 1st graders and she says that kids behavior gets worse and worse every year. If parents spent more time paying attention and loving their kids and less time bitching about how the latest Disney princess looks on the merchandise maybe kids would be better off. Just a thought.

Also characters like Alice, Tinkerbell, Megara, Esmeralda, Jane, Wendy and even the likes of Maid Marian, Nala and Melody have popped up on different princess merchandise over the years. Meg and Esmeralda both seemed to have been featured a lot when it first started but they kind of drifted into obscurity. Alice pops up every now and then. Kida's design is too different and would stand out a lot if she was featured. Eilonwy looks a lot like Alice and people might get them confused. Plus both films were mega failures.

I wish Meg, Esmeralda, Alice and Jane were featured more though...
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Disney's Divinity wrote:Besides coming from flops, Eilonwy and Kida really don't offer anything that Alice and Mulan/Pocahontas do for the line. That's probably their thinking behind leaving them out.

As for Megara, I love that character, but I can understand why she might not be seen as a good fit by Disney. She comes across much older than most of the princesses. Plus, she has a darker, sarcastic personality. She used to be featured on some of the DP merchandise back when the movie first came out though; at least, I have a bunch of stickers with her and Esmeralda included, and her song was on one of those DP compilations. I used to like the white flower they'd have her hold (from the film).

Sleeping Beauty wasn´t a huge success. Actually, the only 2 things going for it (mainstream talking) are Maleficent and Aurora (just because of the Princess merchandise).

Is not like Merida represents the typical princess. In fact, isn´t her main characteristic that she doesn´t want to be a princess?

Also, Megara you may think that she looks older but isn´t she 21 or around that age? That´s more or less the same age Belle is supposed to have.

And regarding Kida standing out.... She does not do so as much as Pocahontas. The same way to me.

The parents "issue"?

Funny how they complain about Merida, given the fact that she comes across looking like the 3D version, but they don´t say anything about the rest of the princesses new look that actually give the impression they complain about; Belle, Aurora and Ariel particularly.
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DC Fan wrote:
Disney's Divinity wrote:Besides coming from flops, Eilonwy and Kida really don't offer anything that Alice and Mulan/Pocahontas do for the line. That's probably their thinking behind leaving them out.

As for Megara, I love that character, but I can understand why she might not be seen as a good fit by Disney. She comes across much older than most of the princesses. Plus, she has a darker, sarcastic personality. She used to be featured on some of the DP merchandise back when the movie first came out though; at least, I have a bunch of stickers with her and Esmeralda included, and her song was on one of those DP compilations. I used to like the white flower they'd have her hold (from the film).

Sleeping Beauty wasn´t a huge success. Actually, the only 2 things going for it (mainstream talking) are Maleficent and Aurora (just because of the Princess merchandise).

Is not like Merida represents the typical princess. In fact, isn´t her main characteristic that she doesn´t want to be a princess?

Also, Megara you may think that she looks older but isn´t she 21 or around that age? That´s more or less the same age Belle is supposed to have.

And regarding Kida standing out.... She does not do so as much as Pocahontas. The same way to me.

The parents "issue"?

Funny how they complain about Merida, given the fact that she comes across looking like the 3D version, but they don´t say anything about the rest of the princesses new look that actually give the impression they complain about; Belle, Aurora and Ariel particularly.

You could say the same for Pinocchio, Fantasia, Bambi and Alice in Wonderland which also weren't box office hits upon their first releases. The difference between them/Sleeping Beauty and Black Cauldron/Atlantis is Disney didn't let them fade into obscurity and continuously re released them which gained them their popularity and classic status. Plus many people would probably see it as an insult to Walt's legacy if she weren't included. Plus I think Aurora has the most "fairy tale princess" look of them all. And she wears pink and most little girls love pink so it's easy to exploit.

Also Megara's personality is quite different from the others She is very sarcastic and more mature. She has been jilted by men in the past and isn't out looking for her fairy tale happiness. Plus she sold her soul to Hades and works for him for the majority of the film so parents would probably bitch about her being a bad role model for being a Satanist or something. Also Kida would stand out way more than Pocahontas. The girl has white hair and is in her undies. Pocahontas has black hair and is wearing a dress. Jasmine is a bit more "sexualized" than the average princess but she is only really baring her stomach. And has pants on.

Also parents did complain about the redesign of the others. People freaked out about Mulan so much much the changed her a bit.
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DC Fan wrote:Also, Megara you may think that she looks older but isn´t she 21 or around that age? That´s more or less the same age Belle is supposed to have.
I think Belle's supposed to be 18.
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Disney Princess Makeover Sparks Outrage: Merida Petition Goes Viral
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So is turns out that Merida, the rebellious redhead star of Disney’s Pixar film “Brave,” is true princess material after all, and Disney is coronating her as its 11th official princess on Saturday at Walt Disney World to prove it. But wait, there’s a catch.

Turns out that Merida’s only joining the royal lineup after a corporate makeover that’s rendered her skinnier, sexier, and more glamorous than her original spunky, tomboyish self—stripping her, at least in some images, of her trusty bow and arrow, and putting her into the very dress that her character detested in “Brave.” It’s sparked outrage among thousands of mothers for whom Merida offered, finally, an empowering Disney role model for their girls.

“Merida was the princess that countless girls and their parents were waiting for—a strong, confident, self-rescuing princess ready to set off on her next adventure with her bow at the ready,” reads a Change.org petition, "Keep Merida Brave," asking Disney to reconsider the character’s redesign. The petition, created Saturday by "A Mighty Girl," a blog and online girl empowerment marketplace, had already surpassed 50,000 signatures by Friday afternoon.

“She had a uniqueness that people really loved, so when they took that away, it was a real affront to a lot of people,” Carolyn Danckaert of “A Mighty Girl” told Yahoo! Shine. Danckaert solicited opinions from her Facebook followers before starting the petition, and said she was quickly bombarded with more than 800 comments, “overwhelmingly negative and very passionate.”

Signers of the petition, who include Peggy Orenstein, author of “Cinderella Ate My Daughter,” object to what they’ve called the sexualizing of Merida’s image, in which the character now appears older, with a tinier waistline, sultrier eyes, a coquettish expression, tamed curls, and more exposed skin peeking out from a bedazzled, off-the-shoulder version of the constricting teal dress she so resented in “Brave.”

A Disney spokesperson offered the following official statement about the controversy to Yahoo! Shine: “Merida exemplifies what it means to be a Disney Princess through being brave, passionate, and confident and she remains the same strong and determined Merida from the movie whose inner qualities have inspired moms and daughters around the world.”

But the makeover—put in place, at least in part, to lend Merida more easily to product designs, according to a report in “Inside the Magic,” which covers Disney news—was still inspiring impassioned criticism at a rapid clip as of Friday.

“My little girl has unruly curls, wants to climb trees, run with wind, and challenge stereotypes everyday AND she is only 4 years old,” writes one petition signer, Kerri Gaskin of Canada. “How can I possibly tell her that her favorite character has given in and given up to become an overly sexualized pin-up version of her former self?”

Other signers call the new Merida “arm candy,” “unrealistic,” “vacant looking,” “too sexy,” and “vapid.”

“Merida was the anti-princess for all of us who don't wear makeup, let our hair rampage free, and prefer to wear real clothes that let us hike, climb mountains, and ride horses,” wrote petition signer Kris Dorman of Utah. “Please allow Merida to remain the fiercely confident young woman who doesn’t need glitter or skin to know she is of incredible strength and worth.”

Orenstein wrote about the redesign on her blog with a tone of resigned disgust, noting that, “in the end, it wasn’t about being brave after all. It was about being pretty.” She continued, “I’ve always said that it’s not about the movies. It’s about the bait-and-switch that happens in the merchandise, and the way the characters have evolved and proliferated off-screen. Maybe the problem is partly that these characters are designed in Hollywood, where real women are altering their appearance so regularly that animators, and certainly studio execs, think it’s normal.”

For the parents who say that Merida is “only a cartoon,” asking, “Why does it matter?” Danckaert says, “It’s sending a message,” which is one that puts forth a very narrow definition of beauty. “This is how children pick up cultural messages about what is important,” she adds. “Young children don’t really distinguish between reality and fantasy, and these characters are their role models.”

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LOL at the kunai and the Asian halberd. Those aren't Scottish weapons.

Also Jasmine actually look good in Gold. Never thought it would.
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Super Aurora wrote: Also Jasmine actually look good in Gold. Never thought it would.
Don’t you remember the “golden look” back in 2007/2008?

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Current figure on the petition is over 63,000. Would 100k get Disney to do something?

I also appreciate that Ms. Orenstein makes the destinction between the movies and the merch which has always been my objection to the Princesses as a "brand".
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Shouldn't they do a petition for something more important like getting the Cinderella restoration fixed as supposed to getting their knickers in a twist over some clip art :facepalm:
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Again, the whole idea of a sexy redesign is stupid; except making her look older.

However, I (and most people here) do understand the complaints regarding her personality.

How come you make a whole movie based exactly on the concept of not being the typical princess just to make her one for merchandise.

Besides, it´s not like Disney couldn´t keep selling merchandise of Brave without her being in the Princess line. But, if they were going to include her then make her true to her personality.

I can´t wait to see the coronation to see how she´ll behave from that moment on.
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universALLove wrote:Shouldn't they do a petition for something more important like getting the Cinderella restoration fixed as supposed to getting their knickers in a twist over some clip art :facepalm:

so true...
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disneyboy20022 wrote:I found this picture on Facebook that made me chuckle

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I love it! :lol: She can still hide a poison dart shooter in her thick hair. :P
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bruno_wbt wrote:
Super Aurora wrote: Also Jasmine actually look good in Gold. Never thought it would.
Don’t you remember the “golden look” back in 2007/2008?

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You think I really keep track of these things?

Clip art there is kinda off model but meh, i don't really give a damn. Still, Jasmine look good in gold though where the others......ehh not so much.
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So I found this from the 2014 calendar...

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Merida's naturally graceful, eh...

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Thanks for sharing the picture, pap64. It inspired me to make this to post on
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