Frozen (formerly The Snow Queen) - Part II

[qindarka]

Update from the insider:

<<Leemac, could you tell me something about the sequence from Frozen you watched? could you tell me more about Anna & Kristoff look? are Anna and Kristoff a romantic couple? what happened in the scene? why is it too comedic? what sort of comedy Frozen will have? I hope there isn't potty humor because toilet humor will ruin movies...
thank you by advance.>>

"The animation was unspectacular - characters were very ordinary-looking. I was surprised that they didn't look Scandinavian (I think the story is set in Finland). The relationship reminded me of Rapunzel and Flynn Rider - two individuals drawn together who wouldn't ordinarily be friends etc. The comedy was also very Tangled-esque. The dialog just felt stilted and forced.

It is always tough to tell when you only see a handful of scenes but it looked very uninspired to me. It will be 18 months between what we were shown and the final product so there is plenty of time to turn it around."

<<When you are saying that animation is unspectacular, is it only about the character designs? Surely it would be too early to judge the quality of the actual animation 18 months before release.

"Character designs - the backgrounds were fine - although I'm not sure you can go wrong with tundra.

It isn't too early. This movie has been in development for years - I'd be very surprised if the character design changed substantially between June 2012 and November 2013. I saw completed Tangled animation over 2 years before its release - and those character designs didn't change.

Just because it is a CG movie rather than hand-drawn does not mean that they can make significant changes during production - there is too much riding on getting the movie finished from marketing to consumer products to the parks."

[TsWade2]

So what you guys saying is that Frozen will be a flop?

[PatrickvD]

So what you guys saying is that Frozen will be a flop?

No people are just bored by the fact that we know N.O.T.H.I.N.G. but enjoy keeping this thread going regardless.

I come in here everyday hoping that something is actually going on in here, but no. We should be so lucky.

[SWillie!]

Jesus I can't stand it when people use the word "animation" in place of the word "visuals". Obviously if this person doesn't understand that there's a difference between the two, we should take what they're saying with a grain of salt.

[DisneyDude2010]

If that person is an "obvious insider" Surely they would know the film has no set location as this has been confirmed!
Tbh I don't even care for that information. sorry.

[Sotiris]

Joaquin Baldwin is working as a layout artist and Rebecca Vallera-Thompson is working a technical director on Frozen.

[Edthehyena]

Of course we will have goofy gags with Olaf, maybe village people, the reindeer, avalanches, cliché fall on frozen water and so on... We all knew that.
But THE DRAMATIC AND EMOTIONAL SISTERS CLASH THEME AND SAD BROKENHEARTED EXILED ELSA is real. We can rely on that. That movie WILL BE dark and emotional, juste because of that twist they bring into the story. It may be even darker than Tangled. Stay confident on that point.

Tangled isnt exactly the best example for how Dark a Disney movie even today could be.

Exactly. There was a little emotion in Tangled, still something a bit dark, the " abducted child-fake lying mother-cut your hair and watch your mother die to dust " flavor. That was good. But Frozen main synopsis theme IS darker indeed.

[FigmentJedi]

As someone who's been kinda thinking of Robinsons and onward as a parallel of the Disney Renaissance starting at Great Mouse Detective, Frozen is definitely sounding like another Pocahontas: Good music but mangled source material makes it pretty dissapointing. Wreck-It Ralph managed to be the rough counterpart of Lion King and Aladdin at the same time.

[PatrickvD]

As someone who's been kinda thinking of Robinsons and onward as a parallel of the Disney Renaissance starting at Great Mouse Detective, Frozen is definitely sounding like another Pocahontas: Good music but mangled source material makes it pretty dissapointing. Wreck-It Ralph managed to be the rough counterpart of Lion King and Aladdin at the same time.

I don't see the point of forcing in comparisons to the renaissance films even where there obviously is no similarity whatsoever.

In which way are Pocahontas and Frozen similar? They're cartoons and musicals. The End.

Pocahontas was based on real life events, while Frozen is loosely based on a book. This thread has really reached a point where everyone is just saying things that make no sense just to be able to have something to debate and make up for the fact that we really just have to be patient. We know nothing about this project yet. Can't we let it rest until there's something real to discuss?

I admit I'm guilty, but this thread is always at the top of the page so I come in here hoping there is news. But there isn't any.

[qindarka]

As someone who's been kinda thinking of Robinsons and onward as a parallel of the Disney Renaissance starting at Great Mouse Detective, Frozen is definitely sounding like another Pocahontas: Good music but mangled source material makes it pretty dissapointing. Wreck-It Ralph managed to be the rough counterpart of Lion King and Aladdin at the same time.

I saw the comparisons you made on the TvTropes forum. They are ridiculous and contrived. The pass success and failures of the Renaissance films won't magically translate to the the present and future.

And Meet the Robinsons and Tangled also mangled its source material, along with the Renaissance films so I don't know how this is supposed to hurt Frozen's quality so much.

Not to mention that the reason Pocahontas was a relative failure went far beyond the mangling of the source material. (In any case, mangling historical events is far more serious than being unfaithful to a fairy tale). Many perceived it to be pretentious, boring, having inappropriate comic relief, dull characters and a lame villain. No indication that Frozen will have these elements so the comparison is hardly fair. Regardless of what I just said, I do like and rate Pocahontas, was referring to the general sentiment.

Also, the recent films being critically well-received makes it more likely that Frozen will be similarly well-received, not less.

As someone who's been kinda thinking of Robinsons and onward as a parallel of the Disney Renaissance starting at Great Mouse Detective, Frozen is definitely sounding like another Pocahontas: Good music but mangled source material makes it pretty dissapointing. Wreck-It Ralph managed to be the rough counterpart of Lion King and Aladdin at the same time.

I don't see the point of forcing in comparisons to the renaissance films even where there obviously is no similarity whatsoever.

In which way are Pocahontas and Frozen similar? They're cartoons and musicals. The End.

Pocahontas was based on real life events, while Frozen is loosely based on a book. This thread has really reached a point where everyone is just saying things that make no sense just to be able to have something to debate and make up for the fact that we really just have to be patient. We know nothing about this project yet. Can't we let it rest until there's something real to discuss?

I admit I'm guilty, but this thread is always at the top of the page so I come in here hoping there is news. But there isn't any.

I'm sorry about that and posters in this thread are right to doubt the credibility of the 'insider' over at the LP boards. I do think he is genuine though and thought I might as well share some info, even if it didn't tell us all that much.

[SWillie!]

It's amazing how everyone is writing the movie off based on a single persons opinion (one who doesn't seemed very informed about the animation process). Keep in mind folks, we haven't seen ANYTHING yet. The reactions to what they showed at D23 were mostly positive with the exeption of Olafs design. Stop writing it off already.

[Tangled]

I agree. Besides, animation quality is subjective (especially considering we don't even know if this guy was shown either completed or not finished animation yet) and so is the comedy.

I remember I was lurking the Tangled threads (back when it was still called Rapuznel) when Rapunzel's CGI design was leaked (it was a very bad quality pic taken from a convention) no one seen very keen on it, saying she looked very generic. Although some may still think she looks generic, most seem to think that Rapunzel looks perfectly fine now. She just needed some warming up to. It will probably be the same with Anna.

[qindarka]

It's amazing how everyone is writing the movie off based on a single persons opinion (one who doesn't seemed very informed about the animation process). Keep in mind folks, we haven't seen ANYTHING yet. The reactions to what they showed at D23 were mostly positive with the exeption of Olafs design. Stop writing it off already.

Nah, they were already well prepared to write it off beforehand based on the switch to CG and the unfaithfulness to the source material which has suddenly become everyone's favorite fairy tale.

I've already seen people dismiss it as a generic love story. And people complaining Lasseter said that it won't.

[DisneyEra]

As someone who's been kinda thinking of Robinsons and onward as a parallel of the Disney Renaissance starting at Great Mouse Detective, Frozen is definitely sounding like another Pocahontas: Good music but mangled source material makes it pretty dissapointing. Wreck-It Ralph managed to be the rough counterpart of Lion King and Aladdin at the same time.

I saw the comparisons you made on the TvTropes forum. They are ridiculous and contrived. The pass success and failures of the Renaissance films won't magically translate to the the present and future.

And Meet the Robinsons and Tangled also mangled its source material, along with the Renaissance films so I don't know how this is supposed to hurt Frozen's quality so much.

Not to mention that the reason Pocahontas was a relative failure went far beyond the mangling of the source material. (In any case, mangling historical events is far more serious than being unfaithful to a fairy tale). Many perceived it to be pretentious, boring, having inappropriate comic relief, dull characters and a lame villain. No indication that Frozen will have these elements so the comparison is hardly fair. Regardless of what I just said, I do like and rate Pocahontas, was referring to the general sentiment.

Also, the recent films being critically well-received makes it more likely that Frozen will be similarly well-received, not less.

I don't see the point of forcing in comparisons to the renaissance films even where there obviously is no similarity whatsoever.

In which way are Pocahontas and Frozen similar? They're cartoons and musicals. The End.

Pocahontas was based on real life events, while Frozen is loosely based on a book. This thread has really reached a point where everyone is just saying things that make no sense just to be able to have something to debate and make up for the fact that we really just have to be patient. We know nothing about this project yet. Can't we let it rest until there's something real to discuss?

I admit I'm guilty, but this thread is always at the top of the page so I come in here hoping there is news. But there isn't any.

I'm sorry about that and posters in this thread are right to doubt the credibility of the 'insider' over at the LP boards. I do think he is genuine though and thought I might as well share some info, even if it didn't tell us all that much.

Pocahontas grossed $346,079,773 worldwide & won 2 oscars for song & score. If that's a failure I wonder what success is.

[qindarka]

I saw the comparisons you made on the TvTropes forum. They are ridiculous and contrived. The pass success and failures of the Renaissance films won't magically translate to the the present and future.

And Meet the Robinsons and Tangled also mangled its source material, along with the Renaissance films so I don't know how this is supposed to hurt Frozen's quality so much.

Not to mention that the reason Pocahontas was a relative failure went far beyond the mangling of the source material. (In any case, mangling historical events is far more serious than being unfaithful to a fairy tale). Many perceived it to be pretentious, boring, having inappropriate comic relief, dull characters and a lame villain. No indication that Frozen will have these elements so the comparison is hardly fair. Regardless of what I just said, I do like and rate Pocahontas, was referring to the general sentiment.

Also, the recent films being critically well-received makes it more likely that Frozen will be similarly well-received, not less.
I'm sorry about that and posters in this thread are right to doubt the credibility of the 'insider' over at the LP boards. I do think he is genuine though and thought I might as well share some info, even if it didn't tell us all that much.

Pocahontas grossed $346,079,773 worldwide & won 2 oscars for song & score. If that's a failure I wonder what success is.

I mean in terms of critical reception and public perception. It's RT rating is around the mid 50s compared to the other Renaissance movies which consistently achieved scores of 80-90. Its public perception is even worse, as reflected by its extraordinarily low score of 6.3 on IMDB. Most people who discuss Disney animated movies on the internet don't have a good word to say about it, it is regularly thrashed. The lower box-office earnings of the subsequent two films may also have been a result of disappointment in Pocahontas among other factors.

Sometimes I feel like one of 50 people who actually like it.

[Disney Duster]

Jesus I can't stand it when people use the word "animation" in place of the word "visuals". Obviously if this person doesn't understand that there's a difference between the two, we should take what they're saying with a grain of salt.

Since nothing's going on in this thread, can I just take the time to say please don't use God's name in vain like that, especially since I think I remember you are Christian?

To be on topic, I think this movie will be made sure to be at least around as good as Tangled, I have no worries about someone thinking one sequence was bad.

[thelittleursula]

Eh I'm not worried. Look at the Lion King. Disney thought that it was going to be a huge flop and that Pocahontas would be the LK.

You can't judge a animation flick 2D or 3D when it's still in it's beta stages.

[DisneyEra]

Pocahontas grossed $346,079,773 worldwide & won 2 oscars for song & score. If that's a failure I wonder what success is.

I mean in terms of critical reception and public perception. It's RT rating is around the mid 50s compared to the other Renaissance movies which consistently achieved scores of 80-90. Its public perception is even worse, as reflected by its extraordinarily low score of 6.3 on IMDB. Most people who discuss Disney animated movies on the internet don't have a good word to say about it, it is regularly thrashed. The lower box-office earnings of the subsequent two films may also have been a result of disappointment in Pocahontas among other factors.

Sometimes I feel like one of 50 people who actually like it.

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So it's one of the films that's not looked back on very fondly by people. OK, that happens. I like Atlantis: The Lost Empire regardless of what anyone says about it. The first Disney film to bare a PG rating since The Black Cauldron? Yeah, a big boxoffice take was unlikely.

[SWillie!]

Didn't mean to offend, Duster. That's just how I talk. Sorry if it made you uncomfortable.

[SWillie!]

It's amazing how everyone is writing the movie off based on a single persons opinion (one who doesn't seemed very informed about the animation process). Keep in mind folks, we haven't seen ANYTHING yet. The reactions to what they showed at D23 were mostly positive with the exeption of Olafs design. Stop writing it off already.

Nah, they were already well prepared to write it off beforehand based on the switch to CG and the unfaithfulness to the source material which has suddenly become everyone's favorite fairy tale.

I've already seen people dismiss it as a generic love story. And people complaining Lasseter said that it won't.

Seriously! Disney fans... Never satisfied.