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Escapay wrote:
Wire Hanger wrote:That's no fun. :(
But it's less stressful. :P
I dunno. That emotional merry-go-round I had during Tangled's production wasn't as peaceful as writing off Frozen ahead of time has been. :lol:

To be honest, I have no love for Finding Nemo, but Ellen/Dory was the one bright spot to me (for the most part). Focusing the sequel around her at least gets me interested enough that I want to see it.
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Just look at how much discussion there suddenly is now over FINDING NEMO now that the sequel has been announced.

Before, there would have been far less.
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I think there is a big divide here. Movie fans and Disney/PIXAR fans are a bit apprehensive about the idea of a sequel to a beloved film that stands on it own so perfectly.

But I can assure you, the general audience is going to eat this stuff up like there's no tomorrow. I predict at least 1.3 billion in worldwide Box Office and domestically, I'd say Shrek 2's reign is finally over. This movie is going to be a monster hit.
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I just realized that 2015 is going to be Disney's biggest year ever at the box office. :shock: We have Avengers 2, Star Wars 7, Pirates of the Caribbean 5, Finding Dory, Inside Out, and Ant-Man.


Going back on topic, Andrew Stanton just had a Q&A session on Twitter. Here are some interesting tidbits from that conversation.

On his next film after Finding Dory.
Q: Do you plan on trying your hand at live action again after Finding Dory, if given the chance?

Andrew Stanton: Oh yeah. Will be doing both.
Q: What projects are you working on now?

Andrew Stanton: A little film called "Finding Dory" and a future live action film.
On Disney's influence on Pixar.
Q: How do you think Pixar has changed since being merged with Disney?

Andrew Stanton: Disney's never changed Pixar. Pixar has changed Pixar.
On the inspiration for Finding Dory.
Q. What gave you the idea to do Finding Dory?

Andrew Stanton: The scene where she first meets Marlin.
On the prospect of a John Carter sequel.
Q: What miracle will it take for a John Carter sequel?

Andrew Stanton: About 1M fans and no critics.
Q: Any prospects that Stanton/Andrews/Chabon can bring the rest of JC trilogy to screen?

Andrew Stanton: If Disney asks we're there.
On Pixar making more sequels.
Q: As a fan it disappoints me. I want more original work.

Andrew Stanton: What? Brave? GD? I/O? #can'tpleaseanyone
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Wow, it will be great! Plus, maybe the Clements/Musker movie
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Sotiris wrote:I just realized that 2015 is going to be Disney's biggest year ever at the box office. :shock:

We have Avengers 2, Star Wars 7, Pirates of the Caribbean 5, Finding Dory, Inside Out, and Ant-Man.
I had been doing that same math in my head as well. This line-up is INSANE. :lol: Each flick is a lock for $200 million minimum. With Avengers 2, Star Wars 7 and Finding Dory locks for $400 million. It's crazy.

But I'm willing to bet big bucks that Star Wars 7 is going to move to 2016. There's no way they're going to get that done in time and have it go head to head with The Avengers and Pirates. There's only so much space and cash to go around and I have a feeling JJ Abrams isn't going to be rushed into anything. He'll take his time to make that film right.

Either way, Disney will own the world that year. Getting into some Disney stock might not be such a bad idea. They're going to fly high.
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Yeah, and I don't know if you've seen it, but the Sistine Chapel is kind of hideous. :lol:

You must be fucking blind if you really believe that.
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Super Aurora wrote:
PatrickvD wrote:
Yeah, and I don't know if you've seen it, but the Sistine Chapel is kind of hideous. :lol:

You must be fucking blind if you really believe that.
Not really. I don't feel obligated to like a great work of art just because it's a great work of art. Art is deeply subjective and I happen to dislike most of Michelangelo's work. I'm sorry if that offends you.
PatrickvD wrote: Every woman he ever sculpted or painted looks like a guy because he was obviously gay. :)
No, it was because he used male models for his women. There's debates if he was gay or not unlike Leonardo who was actually gay.[/quote]

The question kind of answers itself here. He used male models as reference for painting women. I know there's debate about his sexual orientation. Most of it comes down to the fact that there's little evidence to suggest he was heterosexual. Rather than the other way around. Either way, it's irrelevant, I'm still not a fan.
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PatrickvD wrote:
Super Aurora wrote:
You must be fucking blind if you really believe that.
Not really. I don't feel obligated to like a great work of art just because it's a great work of art. Art is deeply subjective and I happen to dislike most of Michelangelo's work. I'm sorry if that offends you.

No you didn't offend me. I dunno why you even came to that conclusion.

Never said you have to like it. But even if you don't like it, Still gotta be blind to think his work is "hideous". There's a bunch of works by famous artist I'm not attractive to either but I wouldn't say it's hideous. Yeah I know he drew women for most part too much like men which even I'm not particularly a fan of, but there were some instances that he could do women correct like Mary from the statues "The Pietà".


PatrickvD wrote: Every woman he ever sculpted or painted looks like a guy because he was obviously gay. :)
Super Aurora wrote:No, it was because he used male models for his women. There's debates if he was gay or not unlike Leonardo who was actually gay.
The question kind of answers itself here. He used male models as reference for painting women.
Yes because if you know anything about the renaissance, you would know that artists couldn't get female nude models. Because of stringent controls over female modesty, the idea goes, it was inappropriate for women to get undressed in front of men.
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“As a fan it disappoints me. I want more original work.

Andrew Stanton: What? Brave? GD? I/O? #can'tpleaseanyone
I was slightly irritated by this. But maybe I'm biased.
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Lnds500 wrote:
“As a fan it disappoints me. I want more original work.

Andrew Stanton: What? Brave? GD? I/O? #can'tpleaseanyone
I was slightly irritated by this. But maybe I'm biased.
That's not irritating, that's putting someone in their place. They want more original work? Here it is.
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SWillie! wrote:
Lnds500 wrote: I was slightly irritated by this. But maybe I'm biased.
That's not irritating, that's putting someone in their place. They want more original work? Here it is.
Toy Story 2, 3 (potentially 4?), Cars 2, PLANES?, Monster's University, Finding Dory.

That's not to say that these movies aren't/won't be good, and I understand what you're saying, but there's definitely a reason to be irritated. It's cocky and rude. And, although I personally love Brave, it's Pixar's worst reviewed film aside from Cars 2. The sequels/prequels on the horizon outweigh the original work that's officially slated.
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Patrick wrote:The sequels/prequels on the horizon outweigh the original work that's officially slated.
They don't. Prequels/Sequels = Monsters University, Finding Dory. Original films = The Good Dinosaur, Inside Out, Lee Unkrich's Dia de los Muertos film. Plus we know that Teddy Newton and Mark Andrews have original films in development.
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DisneyAnimation88 wrote:
Patrick wrote:The sequels/prequels on the horizon outweigh the original work that's officially slated.
They don't. Prequels/Sequels = Monsters University, Finding Dory. Original films = The Good Dinosaur, Inside Out, Lee Unkrich's Dia de los Muertos film. Plus we know that Teddy Newton and Mark Andrews have original films in the works.
I aaabsolutely would count Planes a sequel when considering "original" ideas from the studio. And the other films aren't confirmed which is why I included Toys Story 4 as potential and spoke to what is to what is officially slated. :)
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If you're going by officially slated then there are five Pixar films in that category: two sequels/prequels and three original films. Planes is not a Pixar film, might be a spin-off from a Pixar property, but it's not being made by the studio.
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My two bits:
PASS. Sorry, not really interested. Give me Incredibles 2 instead. ... that is, if Brad Bird's directing.
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I think Stanton has every right to say that. Yes he's a little cocky sometimes, but here I honestly think it's warranted. Everyone keeps complaining that they want original films. And here's Pixar, offering just as many original films as sequels. The day the sequels outnumber original films, come find me and I'll join everyone in complaining.

In the meantime I'm gonna step away from this sequel conversation as the negativity irritates me even more than the hand drawn topic. There's nothing new to be said at this point.
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Count me in as one of those that is tired of all the negative talk regarding Finding Dory. I love Finding Nemo to pieces, and I am excited for the movie. I don't know if it will be good or bad. All we have now is a brief listing of who's back on the project, a tentative release year and a title. That's it. There is very little to comment about its quality: it's non-existent at this point. All talk has been about how Pixar has "sold out" for producing a sequel to one of its best and most profitable movies ever, which my fellow members have commented about beyond beating a dead horse.

Here's the deal: between the release of Monsters U and Finding Dory, we have brand new original movies. Why is it so hard for people to see that and instead focus on that one aspect? Oh right, internet angst. Let us take a look at Pixar's roster of films, starting in 1995 and ending in 2013:
- Toy Story
- A Bug's Life
- Toy Story 2
- Monsters Inc.
- Finding Nemo
- The Incredibles
- Cars
- Ratatouille
- Wall-E
- Up
- Toy Story 3
- Cars 2
- Brave
- Monsters U

Of those ten plus films, only four of them have been a sequel or prequel, and technically only two of those have become major franchises that involve animated shorts, extensive merchandise deals and theme park attractions: Toy Story and Cars. Not to mention the countless shorts that include both original and film based shorts, and there is still a lot of original creations at Pixar.

Now, let's look at rival Dreamworks from 1998 till 2013:
- Antz
- Prince of Egypt
- El Dorado
- Chicken Run
- Shrek
- Sinbad
- Shrek 2
- Shark Tale
- Madagascar
- Curse of the Were Rabbit
- Over the Hedge
- Flushed Away
- Shrek 3
- Bee Movie
- Kung Fu Panda
- Madagascar 2
- Monsters vs. Aliens
- How to Train your Dragon
- Shrek 4
- Megamind
- Kung Fu Panda 2
- Puss and Boots
- Madagascar 3
- Rise of the Guardians
- The Croods

Of those movies, six of them are sequels, and of those movies, five have become franchises that include TV shows, shorts and have sequels about to come soon or are in pre-production (Shrek, Madagascar, How to Train Your Dragon, Kung Fu Panda and now Monsters vs. Aliens). So why is it a problem when Pixar announces a sequel to one of their movies ten plus years later?

Speaking of which, there is also the time frame in which these sequel movies are coming out. Most of Dreamworks's movies have sequels a year or two after their release. Heck, The Croods, which is barely a few months old, will already be getting a sequel. Finding Dory was announced 13 YEARS after the release of the first movie. While Toy Story 2 came out four years after the original, the third movie came out 15 YEARS after the release of the first movie, and 11 years after the second movie. Monsters University comes out 12 years after the first movie. The only movie that came out fairly recently was Cars 2, which came out five years after the first movie, and even then in sequel terms it is still a long time.

So Pixar has yet to become the sequel hungry corporation that people are making them out to be on the internet. There is clearly the need to expand on their stories and characters for franchise extension, but I think they are doing a great job of not being so desperate to launch franchises as other animation studios, as it says that their original films still have enough lasting appeal that a sequel or prequel is not needed right away.

And to those wishing that The Incredibles should get a sequel, mark my words, when the announcement is made... you will all shout "PIXAR HAS SOLD OUT". Hey, people wanted a sequel to Finding Nemo and look at the crap that went down when it happened...
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pap64 wrote: - Toy Story
- A Bug's Life
- Toy Story 2
- Monsters Inc.
- Finding Nemo
- The Incredibles
- Cars
- Ratatouille
- Wall-E
- Up
- Toy Story 3
- Cars 2
- Brave
- Monsters U
So to put that in perspective, nearly 30% of Pixar's entire catalog is made up of sequels. Now, add in the fact that 75% of those sequels have/will be released between 2010 and 2013. I'm totally excited for Finding Dory and Monster's U. I'm not denying that Pixar can make a good sequel at all and I don't think anyone else is either.

Aside from great storytelling, Pixar's initial success was because of its amazing contribution to the world of animation through originality and technical innovation. Now Pixar has very much adapted the Disney way of thinking by capitalizing on past success and by making films that can sell product. Listen, I don't dislike any Pixar film and I'm sure the upcoming projects will be just as good. I just think the company should get back to its roots.
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Patrick wrote:
pap64 wrote: - Toy Story
- A Bug's Life
- Toy Story 2
- Monsters Inc.
- Finding Nemo
- The Incredibles
- Cars
- Ratatouille
- Wall-E
- Up
- Toy Story 3
- Cars 2
- Brave
- Monsters U
So to put that in perspective, nearly 30% of Pixar's entire catalog is made up of sequels. Now, add in the fact that 75% of those sequels have/will be released between 2010 and 2013. I'm totally excited for Finding Dory and Monster's U. I'm not denying that Pixar can make a good sequel at all and I don't think anyone else is either.

Aside from great storytelling, Pixar's initial success was because of its amazing contribution to the world of animation through originality and technical innovation. Now Pixar has very much adapted the Disney way of thinking by capitalizing on past success and by making films that can sell product. Listen, I don't dislike any Pixar film and I'm sure the upcoming projects will be just as good. I just think the company should get back to its roots.
Here's the thing: 2013 Pixar is NOT the same Pixar from 1995. 1995 Pixar mainly consisted of a few CalArts graduates and some Disney animators who were working on small projects that were mainly experimental in their nature until they were able to create their first animated feature. They didn't have an image or a reputation to uphold since, in actuality, they were just a quirky animation studio that was trying to sell some ideas of their own to some major studios.

2013 Pixar not only has a reputation to uphold, they have also employed thousands of employees, they have two studios to maintain (in the states and in Canada), and is now part of one of the biggest media conglomerates in the world, which also have their own needs and reputation to take care off. Because they are part of that family, Pixar also needs to make sure they are profitable enough while creating original content, hence the need to reach out towards some of their earlier successes to make sure their franchises remain relevant years later. I know that many look upon this as selling out, but it is a necessary "evil" so to speak. If it wasn't for that, Disney as we know it would have ceased to exist around World War II.

And speaking of which, even in their older days Disney relied on their marketable franchises to maintain their original projects, taking something like the Mickey Mouse and friends short that entertained on a mainstream level, while the Silly Symphonies served as the creative outlet for Disney and his animators to grow and create better content from there. Same deal with Pixar in a way, but on a different mentality: they use the shorts to experiment and test new creative ground, while exploring their tried and true successes to fuel those experiments in animation.

Plus, the way you say "I just think the company should get back to its roots" is like you are saying that from then on, it will be nothing but sequels, spin offs and prequels, when in actuality we have The Good Dinosaur, Inside Our and Dia de los Muertos to look forward to in between Monsters U and Finding Dory. All three sound like they will have fascinating ideas and could lead to Wall-E and Up like successes where the quirky concept lead to a story that was very appealing enough for the mainstream audience while the critical audience saw something to cheer about in terms of storytelling quality.

Finally, I find it funny how people believe that making a sequel is somehow less creative than creating an original concept just because it is going back to the same world and the same characters. Truth is, expanding on an existing world can be just as challenging, if not more, on a creative level. Take Toy Story, for example. The first movie could have ended with "And Buzz and Woody lived happily ever after with Andy". But the sequel expanded upon that by establishing Woody's worth as a value, and introducing the moral and ethical issues a toy would face: what happens when they cease to be a child's favorite toy? It introduces new ideas not seen in the first movie in a very dramatic manner. Because it dared to expand on the world and feature bold ideas into the franchise, the sequel is now seem as being superior to the original.

Now take Toy Story 3. Much like with the first movie, Toy Story 2 had a rock solid ending that vaguely hinted at the future, but still closed the story well enough that we didn't need to go back to it... at least not yet. Toy Story 3 took an even bigger risk by making the story being about what happens to Andy's toys if Andy were to grow up, and they created a really strong drama that touched a lot of people, because it dealt with mortality, finding life after another life has ended, and new beginnings. Once again, that is a challenge to not only continue the story, but introduce new themes and ideas that tested the audience's love for their characters and their universe.

I'm not saying that Pixar should dedicate themselves to just sequels, and I too want them to pursue better ideas. But I also don't see why people should get angry or upset because ONE sequel was announced amongst many original ideas, or are quick to think that Pixar has lost it. That's all I am saying. Obviously, no matter what I say, what anyone says really, I won't drive home the idea that Finding Dory is not the end of the world or Pixar as people have been saying it is.
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