Are You Gay 2? It's a New, More Fabulous Thread!

[Simba3]

Everyone's favorite fag-hag, Will & Grace's Debra Messing, is returning to network TV!

What happened to "The Starter Wife" on USA? I thought that show was doing well?

VH1 is bringing back DIVA'S!!!!! And they're letting you have some say, hopefully, into which Diva's will be featured in the 2009 edition.

I don't know if you guys are as excited as Kyle and I are, but we're definitely hoping to see some Celine, Cher, and Whitney!

Uh yeah! This has some serious potential. Let's hope VH1/Voters doesn't screw this up for us. Obviously, I would love to see some Madge in there, and maybe Christina Aguilera for the new aged Divas.

[xxhplinkxx]

Everyone's favorite fag-hag, Will & Grace's Debra Messing, is returning to network TV!

What happened to "The Starter Wife" on USA? I thought that show was doing well?

I thought so too, which is why I was surprised to see that. Oh well, it is what it is. The important thing is she's not leaving us any time soon!

[SpringHeelJack]

I like the word "opposite marriage". I think I'm going to refer to all heterosexual marriages as "opposite marriages" from now on.

Of course, then I also run the risk of sounding like a brain-dead moron. Hmm. How many gay men do you think contributed to her hair / make-up / dress / boob jobs? Just wondering. Someone might have a harder time looking pretty next pageant.

[Chernabog_Rocks]

Just to touch on the sports thing, I'm gay and I love playing sports. Watching them good god no, that's just painful to sit through. Back when I was in school I was good with soccer, basketball, baseball, various track and field areas (NOT Shot Put ) and also floor hockey (Except that one time my chin was sliced open by a stick).

I don't play them for the violence, I play because it's fun. Also, playing sports is good for your health I would think, your out there running and getting excersize and that's not a bad thing....or at least I hope not. Is there violence in sports? Well yes, football, hockey, wrestling (even if the WWF is very fake and scripted), boxing etc. But that comes with the job, just like climbing up telephone poles to fix the wires is dangerous, or working with sharks and other predatory animals (for a couple examples).

Even then, if your just playing with your friends then it's obviously not going to be near as pain filled or violent as the ones on t.v. Since your playing for fun and if you win you win, on tv if you win or lose it has more impact on your team and job overall.

.........*rereads post* good god the insanity has spread to me..no wait I was already insane so maybe now I"m normal?

[Disney Duster]

I don't understand. It sounds insane to call someone insane without an explanation as to why.

I understand going into battle because someone has to fight because fighting's the only way, people are attacking you or someone/something you're defending, and you will probably get hurt and could die.

But doing it for fun? Beating people up for fun? Unless it's S&M or something...

[Chernabog_Rocks]

This time Duster posted at the same time as me, though I was expecting it to be Plinky since he's done that....twice now?

Anyways, Duster read my post above yours I think I answered a question or two of yours...

[a-net-fan]

Ok not to change the subject, but what do you think about the Miss. California fiasco that is currently happening?
Here is a link.

My problem wasn't her view on gay marriage, everyone has their own opinion on the subject.
The two things made me steamed, one was that she said we had a choice on "same or opposite marriage" when that is only true in four states.
The other was that she lumped everyone toghter in have the same option as her, "In my country . . ."

Beside this point I think its good that people are talking about the subject and even though we have lots of people still hate us and open forum like this might open someone eyes.
I still am looking for the day people start to understand that its not a choice and that love is love.

Iv been surprised how fast this story has been dropped by the media and even around the "watercooler" at work. Havent heard much about it since the day after the show aired

My view is that I support Gay Marriage but I do not support descrimination. I feel this woman should have won the crown and it is shocking to me that she lost it due to her own personal beliefs. If they were not willing to accept either answer it should not have been asked, Period. This just shows in a very public way that there are people on both sides of this issue who are guilty of descrimination. Even tho I dont necessarily agree with her, I certainly applaud her for her honestly.

[Mooky]

But the pain is necessary for something pleasurable. Hell it's the highest pleasure ever.

UD goes Hellraiser...

[Disney Duster]

Oh my, more showing that people don't carefully read what I say...

Chernabog, I already covered how people can get hurt in other things that might be dangerous. Don't pretend sports aren't different. Carefully going up a telephone pole or even climbing Mt. Everest is different from ramming and slamming into people, tackling them, knocking them to the ground, basically attacking them, grabbing them, punching them, and pumping up your body to have as much mass and force to do so.

That sounds insane to me.

And for everybody's information, I'm gay (really, you couldn't tell?) played soccer on a youth team, and liked it.Except, you know, when people were kicking each other, accidentally or purposely. Or getting hit with the ball, accidentally or purposely. Those "really competitive" (probably just really aggressive) guys can always say it was an accident. I would also run or swim on teams if I had the time, I like doing both those things, just not as much as writing and making art and stuff.

But thank you Chernobog, for talking about the issue at least.

[Disney's Divinity]

Iv been surprised how fast this story has been dropped by the media and even around the "watercooler" at work. Havent heard much about it since the day after the show aired

My view is that I support Gay Marriage but I do not support descrimination. I feel this woman should have won the crown and it is shocking to me that she lost it due to her own personal beliefs. If they were not willing to accept either answer it should not have been asked, Period. This just shows in a very public way that there are people on both sides of this issue who are guilty of descrimination. Even tho I dont necessarily agree with her, I certainly applaud her for her honestly.

I agree with you. However, I don't really know how the contest works. I mean, that question might not have been the only reason she lost and was Miss North Carolina on an equal level? Not that I can say I'm disappointed--I'm glad my state won.

Anyway, I was talking about it with my mom last night. She said there was some video where Perez called her a "dumb b*tch" and she thought that was uncalled for. I said that he shouldn't have judged her harshly (show-wise) based on her opinion, but that he had every right to say that on his own time. I mean, people get heated up about this because they believe people like Miss California are denying them the rights they deserve on non-legal grounds (which is true, imo). In any case, I don't think I would have been as cruel as Perez, but I still think he had a right to say whatever he wants in his personal life.

[a-net-fan]

Iv been surprised how fast this story has been dropped by the media and even around the "watercooler" at work. Havent heard much about it since the day after the show aired

My view is that I support Gay Marriage but I do not support descrimination. I feel this woman should have won the crown and it is shocking to me that she lost it due to her own personal beliefs. If they were not willing to accept either answer it should not have been asked, Period. This just shows in a very public way that there are people on both sides of this issue who are guilty of descrimination. Even tho I dont necessarily agree with her, I certainly applaud her for her honestly.

I agree with you. However, I don't really know how the contest works. I mean, that question might not have been the only reason she lost and was Miss North Carolina on an equal level? Not that I can say I'm disappointed--I'm glad my state won..

Congrats on your states "Miss" winning the crown. As far as Miss CA it was a very obvious case of descrimination. It has been confirmed by Perez as well as another person related to the show (cant remember his name) that Miss CA lost the crown because of her answer to that particular question. She was the only one who was asked this question from what I understand....so no..... I wouldnt say that they were on an equal level. Interesting enough tho Miss NC has said that she agrees with Miss CA's views on Gay Marriage...lol....so so much for crowning a pro gay marriage Beauty Queen.

Yea I disagree with Perez's comments outside of the show itself but I agree with you he has the right to his opinion. Nice to see he doesnt feel he needs to be PC all the time as well

[ajmrowland]

I'm astounded that many people in the comments of that video still think that homosexuality is a choice. The ignorance of many is outrageous!

[Chernabog_Rocks]

Duster, I actually read your posts but posted early in the morning so it's no suprise I missed something

I wasn't trying to pretend sports aren't different, just trying to say that like other hobbies or jobs there is a chance you can get hurt. However there are also less violent sports teams out there, Little League and other Youth teams for example. All of your examples are from two of the more violent sports, Football and Boxing (and UFC as well) I think it's a bit fair to generalize that all sports are as violent and have that in them.

And for everybody's information, I'm gay (really, you couldn't tell?) played soccer on a youth team, and liked it.Except, you know, when people were kicking each other, accidentally or purposely. Or getting hit with the ball, accidentally or purposely. Those "really competitive" (probably just really aggressive) guys can always say it was an accident. I would also run or swim on teams if I had the time, I like doing both those things, just not as much as writing and making art and stuff.

I'm not going to lie but there are some people in sports who can take it too far There's always going to be someone who's very competitive, they'll do anything to win. It's unfortunate yes, that they'll do that since it can ruin things, but it's also perhaps not so simple. Maybe they had one of those Dad's who was once an aggressive athelete and is pushing them too hard just like they were pushed hard.

Anyays, moving on (somewhat) there's competition, and overly competitive people everywhere not just in sports. People often hav to compete against each other to get jobs or grants. Even in the home, when you play board games there's competition and sometimes you can find people overly competitive, my Aunt for example is very gung ho. She won't ever resort to cheating but she's very competitive, and in a way I actually like that since it makes me want to do better and try harder.

[Disney Duster]

Well, it wasn't just about the fact people get competitive.

It was about straight guys being so aggresive they make violent games legit.

But in other news...

So, you know this whole thing about gay marriage? Yea, just like those that still think it's a choice, we probably need to spread lots of information out there.

We should also probably spread some information about the bible, about how homosexuality might have been added in not by the original authors, or the reasons behind why homosexuality was written as a sin (they thought it would make men feel emasculated, be having sex just to have sex, possibly be killing possibe babies because of "wasted semen", etc.), because most religious people really do feel it's wrong, as well as history of marriage and history of times when the law has been changed, because they keep complaining about the definition of marriage being changed. Yes, things change. For the better. We need to make them remember that.

[my chicken is infected]

On a serious note, a big part of why people still think gay is a choice is because of those dumb college girls who make out with other girls to be ~edgy~ and get the attention of guys. Y'know, the ones in Girls Gone Wild commercials who only grope or kiss each other when totally shitfaced.

On a silly/stereotypical note, I bought the Collector's Edition of Dolly Parton's latest album, Backwoods Barbie, sold exclusively at Cracker Barrel. Oh, you want a look at the packaging you say? Well, say no more!

[xxhplinkxx]

I wonder... if the bible said people had to jump off a mountain when they reached 25 years old, would they do it?

[my chicken is infected]

Some of them absolutely, because they'd be convinced God would save them if they were ~holy~ enough.


Disclaimer: I love Jesus, I just don't believe every word of the Bible is to be taken literally.

[Isidour]

I wonder... if the bible said people had to jump off a mountain when they reached 25 years old, would they do it?

Even when it weren't been written they would...just look to all those people who,specially on south America and(sadly) here in Mexico they do the "Viacrucis(youtube-it for further info), make the "passion of the Christ" interpretation where the "actor" in the main roll usually suffers all what Jesus did(Do you still think that the quote "What would Jesus do" is funny?).

But let's all remember than the religious guys can be just religious, fanatic religios...or "Bree Van DeKamp" Religious

[Disney's Divinity]

OMG, a Bree reference! That hasn't happened in a while. (I love her.)

On a silly/stereotypical note, I bought the Collector's Edition of Dolly Parton's latest album, Backwoods Barbie, sold exclusively at Cracker Barrel. Oh, you want a look at the packaging you say? Well, say no more!

You know, all these special, deluxe editions are starting to get on my nerves. I bought the regular CD without knowing she had a deluxe version. Bothersome.

Also, going on about the M. California thing, the pageant said that, overall, her scores were lower than M. NC's. So, she would've lost anyway, not just because of that question.

[my chicken is infected]

The deluxe version only came out a few weeks ago. Usually people plan re-releases, but when they do, they usually come out like by the time of the third single, and yeah, it's been about 1.3 years before this one.