Beauty And The Beast: Diamond Edition Discussion Oct. 5th!

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DisneyPrincessSyndrome wrote:I have no idea, but it's 1080p, too. Other than that one scene with Merryweather looking somewhat off, the rest of the movie looks georgeous, to me, at least. I thought they did a good job last year when I bought the DVD until people started ranting and all.
EXACTLY what I think. I still think the movie looks incredible in high definition. It seems like no matter what Disney does or puts out, members on this forum always find a way to complain and nit pick.. why not just enjoy the movie without trying to waste so much time and energy comparing VHS colors with Blu-Ray colors or whatever.

This is is no way to insult the forum, it just seems to me like there is much better things to do then waste all that time with that and to just enjoy the movie for what it is.
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We're beyond the era where DVDs with recycled old VHS/DVD transfers are acceptable. I know it's expensive to restore a film, but they could have done something with Oliver & Company. Or maybe not......without cheap shortcuts.
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Sad news to those who wanted to at least see BatB in theatres again...it's not coming now. It was pulled off the Walt Disney Pictures site and it's a discussion going on in the My Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs BluRay Copy thread about the reasons why it was axed and who's really sad about that. Even though I didn't want it in 3D, I at least wanted to see on the big screen to make up for my parents bringing me in late for the second release.
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ughhh! I wasn't thrilled about the idea for a while, but I really warmed up to it after hearing more about it.
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If we all raise awareness of this through facebook, myspace, twitter and other connections, we could maybe get people to sign a petition and maybe convince Disney that it's worth a release.
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Here is a scuplture that is coming out this year for B&TB; if anyone cares for it; it looks gorgeous :o , it's probably for the release, very pretty...

http://www.wdccduckman.com/anewchapterbegins.html
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So as to not steer off on a tangent in the "My Blu-Ray Copy of Snow White" or whatever it's called, I'm quoting something goofystitch said and talking about it in this thread regarding next year's release of Beauty and the Beast...
goofystitch wrote:With the theatrical release [of BATB 3-D] no longer a conflict for the Home Entertainment division, they were free to rearrange the schedule. The real reason for switching Beauty and the Beast to Spring was to spend more time on Fantasia's restoration. While this is great news for Fantasia, it sounds like it's going to be really bad news for Beauty and the Beast. My source tells me that now this release is being rushed in such a way that there won't be much new in the way of bonus features.
I'm not gonna touch the whole "original theatrical edition" versus "IMAX edition" versus "Work in Progress edition" because my opinion on that is already found in other threads and I'm talking about the bonus features here.

I'm slightly upset that they have to not only rush the BATB release now, but that if there will be new bonus features, they won't be much. If anything, the only thing I'm really worried about is the making-of documentary. Everything else in the 2002 Special Features is quite excellent. But the Documentary is something that I really hoped could be improved upon.

For starters, the documentary is only 50 minutes, which to some may seem fine...if it's only focused on 3 or 4 aspects of the film and has less than 10 people talking (look at the excellent "Adventure in The Making" documentary on Swiss Family Robinson). But when you consider that the 50 minutes is broken up into 18 different featurettes (only 11 of which are actually about the movie), then you really end up with a lot of quick talking about one subject before moving to another just as quickly. Beyond the directors and producer, most everyone has very little airtime in this doc, as there are 29 people interviewed for the documentary (most were recent, though Jerry Orbach's, and I think Glen Keane's were from 1991). People you think would have more to say actually only get a couple lines in the whole 50 minute affair (Chris Sanders has like, less than 30 seconds in the entire thing).

So I was really really hoping that when they revisited Beauty and the Beast for Blu-Ray release and DVD re-release, that they'd have a documentary that was longer, so that the more people in it have more time to discuss what they're talking about. And if not longer, then at least have less people in it in a "main" documentary, while specialized featurettes (about 10-15 minutes each) can focus on other aspects that get glossed over. For example, they could have a 15-minute featurette about adapting the story, and just interview the story team and Linda Woolverton. Or they could have an entire featurette about the computer animation and the backgrounds, with just people like Ed Ghertner, Lisa Keene, and the directors. It's like how The Little Mermaid has a "Storm Warning", which is all about the Special Effects Unit, or how 101 Dalmatians has a piece all about Cruella de Vil, or how Peter Pan has "In Walt's Words". It's a simple formula: one main documentary that runs 40-50 minutes, and additional featurettes related to the film. Instead, Beauty and the Beast squeezes it all into one documentary, and their additional featurette was a (IMO) near-useless "Story Behind the Story" in the Mrs. Potts section. I always felt that kind of stuff would be better off included on the DVDs of the movies they're covering, instead of having a broad range of movies condensed into 6 or 7 mini-features.

But anyway, back to Beauty and the Beast. I was really hoping that the Blu-Ray could present a newer documentary and additional featurettes, if only to give the various aspects of production their due rather than providing a CliffsNotes version that runs less than an hour.

At the same time, the fact that they don't have much time to come up with (and film) special features could be a good thing. They've already got a lot of material from the Platinum that can easily be carried over, and if all they have time to shoot is one new documentary in HD, that's better than nothing. The art galleries alone already outshine most other Platinums and little needs to be added to that (though I'd love for some Production Photos and Behind the Scenes stuff).

However, if Disney has less time to prepare special features, and wants to include more than an HD documentary, here's a few suggestions that shouldn't take too much of their time:

1. A Longer Documentary - they can either edit in more interview material from 1991 and 2002 to make 50 minutes turn to 75 or 90. Or, if they want to shoot new stuff in HD, be more selective about who talks.

2. The 1991 TV Special - doubtful, but hey, they're rushing, so they might as well see this and think, "Hey, here's 25 minutes we dont' have to worry about!". It was on one of the laserdisc releases, so it should've made the jump to DVD in the first place. The TV Specials for Pocahontas and The Hunchback of Notre Dame were carried over to their DVDs (in R1 at least).

3. Additional Featurettes that altogether amount to less than an hour - just like Peter Pan's Platinum Edition! :roll: If they're just gonna keep the 2002 documentary in an effort to cut costs and because they're pressed for time, the least they could do is offer some additional features that shouldn't take too long to make:
--A 20 minute featurette about the life and career of Howard Ashman. Seriously, the 3-and-a-half minute one is not enough.
--A 10-15 minute featurette about the non-musical version that was supposed to be directed by Richard Purdum. It can be like "The Beauty and the Beast that Never Was" or something, with Purdum, Glen Keane, and Don Hahn discussing sequences they planned before Purdum left the project (or was fired, I forget) and it became a musical. And I think they shot some research trip footage in Europe.
--A 10-15 minute featurette, even if it's just Paula Sigman and John Canemaker talking, about Walt's aborted versions of the story. And include concept art for that in the galleries.
--A 10-15 minute featurette about the Broadway show. Because I don't want to know about that in a main documentary about the movie. Give it its own feature.

4. Additional Deleted Material - Stuff like the Prologue (before it was shortened to stain glass windows), Maurice searching for Belle (showing how he has no sense of direction), storyboards and/or rough animation (if it exists) for the extended bit of "Gaston" that you hear on the soundtrack, and the allegedly alternate "Ice Capades" version of the Ballroom Dance (according to Jim Hill) that they had as a back-up if the traditional/CGI hybrid version wouldn't be done in time.

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As usual, excellent suggestions, Escapay! I would love to see all of your suggestions happen for the Diamond Edition. I'd say the easiest to do would be the deleted scenes, since they already exist somewhere in Disney's vault, at least in storyboard mode, and can be added with relative ease. I would especially be interested in a featurette about Howard Ashman and features about both previous attempts at the film (Walt's and the non-musical version). And if they can manage to re-edit the making-of with your suggestions, or even film a new one in HD, then I would jump for joy. I'll keep my fingers crossed that Disney is able to scrape together the resources in the 6 months that they have to work on it.

Also, I've heard some rumors that the Spring Diamond Edition will be pushed back to May. I haven't heard this officially, but I read it somewhere on another forum. If Disney does that, it would give them more time to flesh out a better release.
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Escapay wrote:
4. Additional Deleted Material - Stuff like the Prologue (before it was shortened to stain glass windows), Maurice searching for Belle (showing how he has no sense of direction), storyboards and/or rough animation (if it exists) for the extended bit of "Gaston" that you hear on the soundtrack, and the allegedly alternate "Ice Capades" version of the Ballroom Dance (according to Jim Hill) that they had as a back-up if the traditional/CGI hybrid version wouldn't be done in time.

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I never knew there was an extended prologue! I want this for sure. I do know however that it was confirmed that there was an alternate ballroom sequence.
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nomad2010 wrote:
Escapay wrote:
4. Additional Deleted Material - Stuff like the Prologue (before it was shortened to stain glass windows), Maurice searching for Belle (showing how he has no sense of direction), storyboards and/or rough animation (if it exists) for the extended bit of "Gaston" that you hear on the soundtrack, and the allegedly alternate "Ice Capades" version of the Ballroom Dance (according to Jim Hill) that they had as a back-up if the traditional/CGI hybrid version wouldn't be done in time.

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I never knew there was an extended prologue! I want this for sure. I do know however that it was confirmed that there was an alternate ballroom sequence.
Well, if you'd like to see it, there is an unofficial alternate version of the prologue that someone made here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu2eSQwweFU

As for the new documentary, well, ya never truly know. We did get a new one with Sleeping Beauty, which was a step from the 2003 Special Edition. So who knows: perhaps we'll get some REALLY interesting bonus features on BatB. :)
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I like every single one of Escapay's ideas! Beauty and the Beast deserves new bonus features, as every re-release does, but this one's a biggie, and so beloved by fans!

I really want to hear much more about the non-musical version. In a book about Beauty and the Beast's making of, apparently the guy worked on it with, I think, his wife (?), but after a while of Disney working on it, he said "This is not the film I want to make" or something like that. His version I think was darker, more realistic, and like a period piece.

But of course, I prefer the more unique, musical, magical fairy tale Disney decided to make, at least in most part, I bet!
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If the 3D version was still being done, This should've been the trailer, IMO.

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They HAVE to include the original Celine Dion/Peabo Bryson Music Video or I'll be upset.
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DisneyJedi wrote:
nomad2010 wrote: I never knew there was an extended prologue! I want this for sure. I do know however that it was confirmed that there was an alternate ballroom sequence.
Well, if you'd like to see it, there is an unofficial alternate version of the prologue that someone made here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu2eSQwweFU

As for the new documentary, well, ya never truly know. We did get a new one with Sleeping Beauty, which was a step from the 2003 Special Edition. So who knows: perhaps we'll get some REALLY interesting bonus features on BatB. :)

Yeah that looks like mostly the footage came with the begger and the enchantress footage that came from the Christmas sequel.....and with some footage of the original mixed in....but its very well put together...
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goofystitch wrote:Also, I've heard some rumors that the Spring Diamond Edition will be pushed back to May. I haven't heard this officially, but I read it somewhere on another forum. If Disney does that, it would give them more time to flesh out a better release.
Ooh, that'll make it a nice early birthday present for me. :D
Mike Duster wrote:I really want to hear much more about the non-musical version. In a book about Beauty and the Beast's making of, apparently the guy worked on it with, I think, his wife (?), but after a while of Disney working on it, he said "This is not the film I want to make" or something like that. His version I think was darker, more realistic, and like a period piece.
Yeah, that's the Purdum version, I think. It would have been quite interesting to see Beauty and the Beast in animated form told in a dark and serious way. Not to say I don't love the musical version, I'll always hold that one close to my heart, but a part of me always wondered what Purdum's version would have been like.

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ajmrowland wrote:If the 3D version was still being done, This should've been the trailer, IMO.
I really can't watch that trailer anymore without wishing we had those colors on the dvd.... Sorry, I know it's been said many times before.
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^Exactly! And it's a perfect example of how (presumably) good the 2D painted sets and scenes would have looked in comparison to the ballroom scene. And It's simple and sophisticated. That's why I would just put different title cards with this one.
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Isn't that cel from the beginning of a complicated multiplane shot with optical compositing to boot? That shot has always looked soft and is clearly a multiplane set up from the first second it appears. It's been that way since I first owned the film in the 80's. I'd suggest some screengrabs are in order, followed by some humble pie.
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It would take Walt Disney rising up from his ashes like a phoenix and chastising Marky for complaining so much before he'd ever eat humble pie.

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I have some very good news! Beauty and the Beast 3D is still going to be released, but not until December 2011. Disney claims that the reason for pushing it back was so that the theatrical release would coincide with the 20th anniversary, thus making the release feel more special.

The news was announced in a Variety article.
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