What's your religion?

[KubrickFan]

Kubrick, if you don't think something more powerful than us (thus, a higher being/power) exists and made everything, then how do you think all this came to be, all this was possible? People do not turn to spirituality just when they are going through any problem. Spirituality makes sense of deep problems like death or, as I gave an example, how we are here, and what's going to happen to us, will we eventually reach a happy ending (eternity)? You can pretend you don't care, but everyone wonders at some point, and cares. You can think you're strong by accepting something miserable like we just turn to dust in the wind after everything, but that's being hard, not strong. Strong is believing things will be better in the face of adversity and misery, like death. That things will be better through it all, in the end. That's staying strong through it all.

I didn't say I know every answer, obviously I don't. The entire universe was probably created like every life on Earth, by complicated chemical reactions I don't fully understand. It may be a shock to some people to find out we're not part of a big plan of an omniscient being, but that we have to find the meaning of our lives ourselves.
I also didn't say I don't care about what happens to people after they die, but I do think that going to Heaven is again something concocted by some to make us less afraid of death. And I can understand that, death can be scary.
And I know of many people who turn religious when things are in a bad shape. Again, understandable, and sometimes it can be good, too. If they use that to face their problems and try to solve them, then it's fine by me. It's just not something I can do.
But that doesn't make me some negative cynical being. I hate it when people think they're superior than others over something they believe in. Regardless if they believe in something or not.

[buffalobill]

Druid (converted recently from Paganism).

[Disney Duster]

Ah Kubrick, complex chemical reactions can't happen without someone or something starting those reactions, making them exist and happen. That's the higher power I'm talking about (God).

As for finding meaning in our lives, that meaning can also not be there unless someone or something put it there. And discovering that God or a spirituality gives us meaning is indeed finding that meaning in our lives ourselves.

Kubrick, if you don't think something more powerful than us (thus, a higher being/power) exists and made everything, then how do you think all this came to be, all this was possible?

We don't know for sure (yet). But we don't have to make up a all-powerful being as a substitute to our faulty knowledge. There are scientific theories, like the Big Bang theory. Why is that less plausible than the 'God made everything'-theory? We already have stablished that the stories in the Bible about the creation of earth are nothing but fairy tales (not supported by reality-based fact finding).

It's not making up a being, it's making sense. It's very logical to think: birds make nests, higher than them, monkeys make tools, higher than them, humans make stories and characters, simulated people, even robot people, and higher than that is some being who made us. But so high and powerful, it doesn't get any higher or further than that (the most high, powerful being or force in existence, that created existence...). That's just some very natural thinking (and have you ever hard of something called natural theology, also?). In fact, that we don't fully understand or comprehend everything about God, and why you, and all of us, have questions about God, is very much like how no one knows all the answers to the world and universe and what will happen to us, so we ask questions about that, too. Everyone. Christians, Jews, Buddhists, agnostics, atheists. I just know that there will always be mystery and no one can know everything about everything.

And the Big Bang is not a theory that explains it all, if anything very much, by far! Something had to cause the big bang, some power behind it, some power higher than the big bang itself. Some power higher than this world had to make this world happen. It only makes sense, stuff causes stuff to happen!

And as for the Bible's take on the creation of earth, yes when they have multiple stories, so of course you can't take any of them literally or with the nomal sense that we have. I wouldn't mind stretching my mind to think that it all felt like only a few days to God, or he had it all planned so it felt like he made it instantly, or he thought of it instantly, or something else. We only have human logic, we can not think like an all powerful being (and before you get into it I aready explained it also makes sense God would also be like us, even have emotions. God is like us yet not like us. Alike and different).

Spiritualism doesn't really makes sense of deep problems as much as it provides clear-cut, easy solutions. Once you have decided it's all the work of an all-powerful, yet mysterious higher being whose ways cannot be known, you don't have to deal with the 'deep problems' anymore. You have found yourself an easy solution.

But believing in the spiritual is deeper. It is believing in something deeper than the physical we can see on the surface.

And yes, I wonder very much about what happens to us, despite still believing what I believe through it all.

Well, who's to decide what is or isn't strong? I think it's much stronger to face a reality in which we don;t know what we live or die for, than it is to make up an imaginary supreme being just to comfort you orprovide dogmatic answers.

But that's what believing people also do. They don't know, or can't predict what is going to happen, but through all of that, they believe something that will happen that is good.

Now when you believe, you can sometimes feel sure, and that you do know it will happen, but we still can't predict what will happen even if we feel we know it will. We just feel we know, or just believe it.

As for what you asked about me on happiness and, erm, drugs. Positivism does not make things happen, no. Rather I am just believing in something positive that I believe is going to happen. There's a difference. And of course, having faith, believing, is what you need to have for God to give you the very happiness you believe in.

I have been through depression, and unlike when my parents thought I was depressed in high school and gave me drugs (and the drugs didn't do anything), this was the worst depression...and I got through it without any drugs. During this time I felt quite empty and bad not believing in God, but I felt better believing in God. A real thing and real good feelings came to me from believing in something, so...

And when I was little I didn't see any religion or kind of faith in Disney films, but later I have realized that in Walt's films there does seem to be a comparing of the wondrous or magical things that happen to characters to spirituality. And of course the belief that things will end happily for the good and believing, good will conquer all. And I think these themes are for the most part carried over in Disney films made after Walt's death and the ones made today as well, so I do wonder why you like the films so much, but I can understand you may just watch them for entertainment or some other reason and ignore that a film is trying to say something...

And I like movies where people just die and end terribly, too. But the world isn't one way or the other, it can't be concluded as an all horrible place or an all good place, so I might as well believe in something that makes me happy since no one knows one way or the other.

So yea, I try to be more positive and hopeful and happy cause that's the better thing to do. Because everyone wants to be happy. I don't know how to explain it more than that, it should make sense!

[Disney's Divinity]

And the Big Bang is not a theory that explains it all, if anything very much, by far! Something had to cause the big bang, some power behind it, some power higher than the big bang itself. Some power higher than this world had to make this world happen. It only makes sense, stuff causes stuff to happen!

See, the only problem with this reasoning is that it doesn't work both ways. Basically, you believe something (life/the big bang) can't come from nothing--that a supreme figure must've started the big bang/life. But, then, if something can't come from nothing, where would the supreme being come from?

Of course, I believe in a higher power (and I'm not specifically relying on the Bible as a source, since that was inevitably written by men and not God), but there's no logical way of proving it. And even though the Big Bang theory and God have similar problems (how does something come from nothing), the God part comes attached with rules that people should/have to follow.

[Disney Duster]

Maybe you didn't read everything I said explaining it, or maybe I didn't explain it all...

Basically a power that can create something from nothing is so powerful it either created itself or it always was, or something, but it doesn't get any higher than that, that's the highest most powerful you can go.

Also as I said, God is something we cannot fully understand. I am just explaining what I can, and why God's existence at least makes sense. But our human brains and knowledge cannot figure out how God always was and that there's nothing that made him. We just can't fathom everything about God.

Oh, wait, okay does this make sense: the very power that can create something from nothing, is the very power that could create that power from nothing, too. That actually makes sense to me, and if not to you, ah well. The universe and everything in it is just amazing anyway.

Oh, and the Bible was men writing but being inspired by God. That's why I believe God's word and main messages are in there, but it was also changed and added to by men (either during or later, by the original authors or not, like maybe the Romans). So I believe our heart and sense and feelings tell us what is right and what to do, too, while reading the Bible.

[Goliath]

I wouldn't tire myself debating with Disney Duster. After all, he's the one who said on this forum that he had proven that God exists.

Yes, "proven". And yet he's still not been able to convert all of the world to christianity.

[KubrickFan]

As for finding meaning in our lives, that meaning can also not be there unless someone or something put it there. And discovering that God or a spirituality gives us meaning is indeed finding that meaning in our lives ourselves.

It's not making up a being, it's making sense. It's very logical to think: birds make nests, higher than them, monkeys make tools, higher than them, humans make stories and characters, simulated people, even robot people, and higher than that is some being who made us. But so high and powerful, it doesn't get any higher or further than that (the most high, powerful being or force in existence, that created existence...). That's just some very natural thinking (and have you ever hard of something called natural theology, also?). In fact, that we don't fully understand or comprehend everything about God, and why you, and all of us, have questions about God, is very much like how no one knows all the answers to the world and universe and what will happen to us, so we ask questions about that, too. Everyone. Christians, Jews, Buddhists, agnostics, atheists. I just know that there will always be mystery and no one can know everything about everything.

How does finding out that a god exists, give our lives meaning? You still don't know why he put us on this planet, with what destiny. I do think it's easier to say that he put us there for some reason than to figure it out for ourselves.
But if you say that it's natural to think that some higher being put us here, than it must be natural to think that there could be some higher being above that one. And where does it end?
And if you really want to talk about what's natural, which is more natural? The one where a higher being made us, put us here for no reason at all, for reasons he refuses to elaborate, or for vague reasons that many people are fighting about for thousands of years? Or the one where we simply made up the higher being for explaining the things we didn't understand then, and to give our lives the guide lines which are pretty standard by any means? Arthur C. Clarke said 'Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.' And while the creation of the universe doesn't necessarily have to do with technology, it's simply something we don't understand right now. That doesn't mean a higher power, a god, created it.
Compare it with a child growing up. When he's young, he's curious. Wants to know about everything he sees. Sometimes he asks his parents about them, who then give an erroneous explanation. Sometimes he makes them up himself. Anyway, later in life, there inevitably comes a time where the child realizes his mistake. Now, what should he do? Hold on to those beliefs because his parents (who made him) provided them? Adapt them to make them fit the truth? Or abandon them altogether, and accept the truth for what it is? Anyone who doesn't pick the last one, is simply wrong in my opinion.

Now when you believe, you can sometimes feel sure, and that you do know it will happen, but we still can't predict what will happen even if we feel we know it will. We just feel we know, or just believe it.

As for what you asked about me on happiness and, erm, drugs. Positivism does not make things happen, no. Rather I am just believing in something positive that I believe is going to happen. There's a difference. And of course, having faith, believing, is what you need to have for God to give you the very happiness you believe in.

I have been through depression, and unlike when my parents thought I was depressed in high school and gave me drugs (and the drugs didn't do anything), this was the worst depression...and I got through it without any drugs. During this time I felt quite empty and bad not believing in God, but I felt better believing in God. A real thing and real good feelings came to me from believing in something, so...

But believing something positive is about to happen isn't always the right one. You have to accept the fact that sometimes humanity is dark. Do not shield your eyes from it.
And it's interesting that you're talking about your depression. I mentioned earlier that people are attracted by religion during rough times. You said that that wasn't true, and now you say that pretty much the exact same thing happened to you?
I'm glad for you that you got through it, but it does prove my point.

[Super Aurora]

LOL Christianity. Christianity is SO easy to make jokes on. LOL

[Duckburger]

LOL Christianity. Christianity is SO easy to make jokes on. LOL

Here, I'll help you support that theory with a quote from George Carlin

"Religion has convinced people that there’s an invisible man? Living in the sky, who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten specific things he doesn’t want you to do. And if you do any of these things, he will send you to a special place, of burning and fire and smoke and torture and anguish for you to live forever, and suffer and burn and scream until the end of time. But he loves you. He loves you and he needs money."

[Super Aurora]

The reason I find christianity (and might as well add judaism and islam) so ridiculous is due to the warped perception and faith that God is some all benevolent and loving God.

If God is real, I bet you, he wouldn't even give a rat's ass about any of you. He probably "created" you and this universe for amusement and entertainment. That's if he is even giving a second glance at us begin with. He's God, he doesn't need to pay his attention to a near non existent planet with even tinier people living on it that are not even microscopic in his viewpoint.

Another thing is Christianity is FILLED with contradictory, and when ever people bring up something that contradict with their religion or if science proven one of the bible's explanations to be null, those religious people get all butthurt and start BAAAAAWWWWW-ing and getting all emotional over it.

If want believe there's some all powerful God but don't want to abide to any redundant religious cult, be a deist. You know the Founding fathers? Isaac Newton? Those geniuses are deist. That's right, America was founded by Deist, not "Christians". So if you hear anyone who ignorantly say "USA is THE Christian nation!...." Well they're wrong for one. Two, despite what they love to think, they don't know their own country's history, and three- They are blinded by their obsession over religion as result of it.

bah i'm done here....for now.

[IagoZazu]

I'm a Christian. I do believe in God and Jesus, but I don't go to church. I don't read the bible, even though I should. I also believe that faith is more of a private thing.

I can believe in God simply by looking around. There is good and evil done every day. Nature functions by itself, but do we absolutely know how it started? God is mysterious. We do not know everything about him, and in our flesh we really should not. Life is a test. He put us on this earth to see how we would live among ourselves and our environment. Pass, and you'll be rewarded with going to Heaven to live your true life. Fail, and you stay out.

Because I haven't seen it yet in this topic, what do you guys feel about The Devil? While I believe that God exists, I also believe The Devil exists as well. I think atheists may find The Devil even less believable and the church's excuse to not having faith, but I have seen and heard evil that makes me never doubt his existence. I use my faith in God and my confidence in myself to stay away from his manipulative ways. I think he is trying to take me down, but he does that with everyone. God tries to help everyone, but The Devil tries to hurt everyone. I see God as a divine father or even a best friend, while I see The Devil as a bully and the ultimate villain.

The struggle of good and evil enforces how I see life as a test. Do you want to be good, or do you want to be bad? It's all up to you. The choices you make right now and for the rest of your life will be judged when you die. When it comes to good and bad people, I think it's pretty much balanced. The thing about good people is that they tend to look ahead and do what's right for others. Bad people only do things for themselves at the moment. They don't look ahead. They may have fun doing someting evil for a minute, but eventually they get caught and are punished. They try to hesitate and say they want to be sorry, but it would be to late. They made their decision and have to pay for it. The good people are rewarded for their decency down the road for their struggles and the help they do for others.

[Disney Duster]

I already explained that something powerful enough to make everything or anything out of nothing would be something so powerful it could even have made itself, but I also said it (God) has probably been around forever, and I also said there's still mystery and our human minds can not understand or know everything about an all powerful power.

It make sense that it does end with that power, somthing as powerful as that. Just think about it, the power to make something out of nothing doesn't need something to make it, it already has that power as well.

Anyway, it still doesn't make sense for things to come out of nothing without some power higher than those things to make it so.

And yes, God gives my life meaning. God is a sensical answer for me as to how everything was made, and it is a sensical answer to me as to what will happen to us. As for why we're here, I believe that is becaus we are lonely (not quite amusment Super Aurora, but for companionship, love, care, and you are amused by your friends and family as well, aren't you?), and just because life is a wonderful thing to have and enjoy. The one who enjoys life (and also it helps if you believe in a higher power, God) doesn't really need to ask why we're here.

And it's not vague really, but I know God is mysterious and I can't know everything. I'm just gonna trust the power that created everything. Yup, I'm going to trust.

Your made up scenario about a kid asking questions doesn't apply to any of this, I think I already explained everything you need to know. I certainly didn't get my current very faithful belief in God from my parents.

As for the depression I went through, no that was not proving your point. I believe in God way before that (al throughout my life actually, sometimes doubting it here and there), and get this - my depression was partly my doubting if there was a God and deciding if I beieved in him or not.

And I never said that people weren't attracted to religion through dark times either. God helps in dark times (well, God can help all and anything...), so of course I believe that. I just said that's not the only reason, which is also true.

And yes, sometimes humanity is dark. What I believe is that through all the darkness, in the end, underneath it all is light, or there will be only light (what is good, what is right, what is happy, what is deserved).

And Super Auora, we may be one planet of many, but we are the planet with life, and most importantly, life that believes in this being that created the universe. God will pay attention to that.

As for Hell (I've heard that George Carlin joke before), that's just a place without God (described as fiery but it's not literal but symbolic, no one knows quite what Hell or Heaven will be exactly like). If you don't love or want to be with God, or follow his rules, obviously you don't want to be with him, so you'll go to a place where he is not. And it will be painful to be without God. But anyway, listen to your heart, which God gave you. If you think what you're doing is fine and God is fine with it or will forgive you for it, then do that. And that's why when God made me happy when I romantically like boys, I don't understand why God would make me so happy over something that's bad and he'd send me to hell for it, so with my heart, I will be the way God made me, gay, and ask for forgiveness if I really find out or feel later that I did wrong.

[Disney's Divinity]

It make sense that it does end with that power, somthing as powerful as that. Just think about it, the power to make something out of nothing doesn't need something to make it, it already has that power as well.

It might make sense to you, but it's illogical to me. Something can't make something unless it exists. Something that doesn't exist can't "make" itself. It would have to exist to do that.

As for Hell, it's rather funny how the whole belief in a "fiery" place came about. The original concept was of the Sheol, which was sort of like a Jewish version of the Underworld, where the souls all rest until the end of time (or whatever). The fiery part got attached when a reference started started appearing concerning the trash-burners/incinerators on the outside of villages (because the bad people are like trash that must be gotten rid of)--I can't remember the exact word for them, I'll try to look it up later. As for the Devil thing, some people don't believe he's in Hell, but locked up in a dungeon in heaven to be cast out later (when the end of time begins). Until then, only his spirit can come to the earth, but he doesn't exist in his own realm (so that "rather reign in hell than serve in heaven" thing doesn't really apply). There is a fiery pit mentioned as a part of the end of times, but it's not eternal torment--the evil is simply destroyed for good.

Sorry if this sounds strange, but that last part about the Devil comes from the guy my mom started watching a year or two on television (he's not an evangelist that makes money, it just screens his sermons, etc.). He says most of the stuff believed today about Christianity is just a carry-on of traditions that were false to begin with, misinterpretations and mistranslations. The whole idea of the Rapture, as an example, is something that isn't even in the New Testament. He also goes on about how Adam and Eve weren't really the first and only beings alive (it mentions that man and female were created earlier, and then later it talks about Adam being created), and also Earth Ages and a bunch of other stuff I don't know enough about to explain. That was mostly my mother's thing, but his version makes a lot more sense to me than the crap you hear normally.

Just trying to point out that you shouldn't judge a whole religion just by some of the people who preach and believe in it. That's why there's so many denominations. (Sorry if I went off on a tangent there)

[Super Aurora]

(not quite amusment Super Aurora, but for companionship, love, care, and you are amused by your friends and family as well, aren't you?),

By amusement i'm talking that he is probably "laughing" at your stupidity. Again that's if he even take a notice.

I do think there is a supreme god but that's where I stop. God is God, he doesn't need to be abound but some dualism or black and white thinking in that he's is ultimately good that will help you in anyway possible. If going by all powerful god, the concept of Good and Evil probably doesn't even exist through his view. Good and evil "exist" through our perception of what we see to take in account what's acceptable and what's not(usually dictated by society itself)

What deist belief is that there's a supreme god, sey everything in order of how his universe will run and then let the rest take course through the laws he laid out.

And Super Aurora, we may be one planet of many, but we are the planet with life, and most importantly,

Who to say there isn't others out there with planets with life?

life that believes in this being that created the universe.

People create the image of a god to help explain how life and things came to be that couldn't other wise be explained. The greeks did it, the Egyptians did it and various other religions did it. Christianity is no exception.

God will pay attention to that.

why? What difference it makes if he create (through indirectly most likely) plants or animals. If going by his all powerfulness, he could probably create reality warping scenarios or dimension beyond our comprehension and who knows what else. And your saying out of all of that he's but his focus on a planet with little trees and animals along with some evolve animal?

[Goliath]

No, I don't believe in the Devil. 'The Devil' is nothing but an excuse for Christians to blame all the evils of the world on. If God is so great and good and mercifull, then why is there so much suffering in the world? Well, Christians have found an easy answer to that: it's the Devil! It's their way of explaining away the contradiction between the supposedly benevolent God and the pain and suffering of the majority of the people in the world. Isn't that convenient from a PR-point of view? All the good comes from God, yet God doesn't have to take any responsibility for what's going wrong. Besides, if God is all-powerfull, why doesn't he just obliterate the Devil? The answer is simple: if God did that, the story wouldn't work anymore. Every hero needs a villain. God versus the Devil is just like one big comicbook story. All to keep people in line with religious dogma.

"There is no Devil, so stop blaming your screw-ups on him!"

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[Super Aurora]

No, I don't believe in the Devil. 'The Devil' is nothing but an excuse for Christians to blame all the evils of the world on. If God is so great and good and mercifull, then why is there so much suffering in the world? Well, Christians have found an easy answer to that: it's the Devil! It's their way of explaining away the contradiction between the supposedly benevolent God and the pain and suffering of the majority of the people in the world. Isn't that convenient from a PR-point of view? All the good comes from God, yet God doesn't have to take any responsibility for what's going wrong. Besides, if God is all-powerfull, why doesn't he just obliterate the Devil? The answer is simple: if God did that, the story wouldn't work anymore. Every hero needs a villain. God versus the Devil is just like one big comicbook story. All to keep people in line with religious dogma.

"There is no Devil, so stop blaming your screw-ups on him!"

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Well said.

[ajmrowland]

The devil is such a subjective topic. If there were a God, and he were wise, he'd test us constantly because he cared. Likewise, I've had this crazy idea that Hell could be God's Prison, and the Devil, his Punisher, but that would be very wrathful.

[Disney Duster]

Kubrick, I forgot to say thank you to you for being glad I got out of my depression. Thank you.

Interesting info Divinity. But as for the the other thing...maybe all the more I can do is stress "it's the power to make something exist out of nothing". All you need is that power to make even that very power exist...because it makes something exist out of nothing. Of course that's just one possibility, and as I also said, and I think you also agree, we can't fully understand everything about that power or God or whatever it is with our human logic, so, ah well.

Super Aurora, all I am talking about is what we know, which is that life exists on this planet and it's life that believes in and gives thanks and praise and love to what it believes created it, so I would think what created it would pay mind.

Goliath, as Divinity also revealed, God will perhaps obliterate the devil and his followers in the end of time (or whatever), but God lets the devil do what he wants to people to see who they will follow, God or the devil. And if you don't want to follow God, then you follow the devil, to where he ends up. Well, that's one belief.

And I almost forgot, as for the suffering of the world, the Book of Job touched on that, too. I think the devil said to God that Job wouldn't believe in him if he didn't have such a good life. So God took many things away from Job, his wife, his kids, even hsi good crops and animals, and I think Job got very upset, of course extremely sad, and possibly even angry at God, but he still followed him and put his faith in him. And of course he would be rewarded when he finally died. Even rejoined with his wife and kids. Aw.

As for people blaming the devil, they know, like everyone, that what they do is their choice, but they also remind people that the devil is strong. That's really it, just saying that it's hard to make the choice to resist temptation, it's very hard. Unless some of them really do mean the Devil actually forced them to do it, but that would actually would go against their religion...they probably don't even realize that as they say anything in their troubled times. As for people who go against gay sex and then do it themselves...well, I certainly believe they just need to realize God might be okay with them being gay, but I want to point out they may believe that even though they feel they are gay and fall to temptation, they think the right thing to do is still try to resist it and fight against it (for what they believe God wants). They may believe that...or just pretend to be religious, or just pretend to think gay is wrong religiously, because of what they think other people think, and will think of them.

[disneyboy20022]

It seems I voted in this poll a while back but didn't share my comments about my choice..

I am a Christian.......and I believe in Jesus and God and that....But I also believe some things people have taken out of cotext and put it up for a political debate such as the voting for gay marriage or not.....which I personally believe that God doesn't damn people who are gay to hell as some people harshly say....I mean...I think he looks at them as equalls to everyone....I mean yes I am sure there are people that are gay who might go to hell...just as I am sure there are straight people and others who go to hell too...I don't really think thats a crime in god's book at least to me...and honestly....btw Im straight but honestly I think God doesn't judge you on your sexuality....he judges you on your faithfulness and trust in Jesus and all that..


Now...I went to a Free Methodist Church In Greenville IL which was next door or across the street from Greenville College....and well....my parents and I were just finding out that I had Asperger Syndrome and this is in the dark days of what the heck is that and if you searched it on the net you would only get like 5 results....on 56k modem or any modem...So...I also have a repaired Bilateral Cleft Lip and Palate...and I have fistulas or holes on the roof of my mouth tha goes into my sinuses...so I apparently had tick, Bad habit or whenever I was nervous I would squeak with the holes on the roof my mouth and people went to the pastor and said I was disrupting church because of that and the fact I was gettign up and down so much during church (what they didn't know was it was because I had Crohn's Disease and apparently a lot of people didn't step out of their thought bubble much) so the finally said they only way I would be allowed to church (the staff told us this) is if my family and I sat in the Balcony of the church and if I misbehaved my mom was suppose to take me in the hallway for 5 minutes if someone complained about me....

So yes there has been a many a times I had questioned my Faith....the supposed people who went to church who treated me like Oliver Twist or something.....and I didn't go to church a lot because of that but I remained a Christian throughout it all i my heart....because even though I was frustrated with them....and trust me it was tempting to just say heck with religion if this is how "christians" treated other people including other "christians" then why was I apart of it.....well...I admit I almost gave up on god and religion and the whole thing....but I didn't...because deep down I knew God knew this wasn't right...and perhaps I was came to the small church to not be changed myself of my bad habits....but to maybe help them step outside the bubble that they were in......and I didn't go back to church though consistantly until a few pastors later came around and is there today....Doug Newton...who I believe has changed that church for the better...he even began to meet with my family weekly which no pastor has ever done in my life and we told him some of our stories such as it...and he was agreeing it wasn't right...and he called out a few people indirectly and I think I remember at a time....saying my story to a few people and some it hit them like a rainstorm on a sunny day and they went into tears of regret and I forgive them for treating me like an outcast .its a longer complicate long story which I actually I wrote a journal type thing that is on the hardrive of my old windows 3.1 computer....and if it still boots up I will get a hold of that because I called it my book....and share it with people...to inspire another generation not to do the same mistakes as they did and and I did.....I do frequently have vivid flashbacks with my autism from church such as a pastor coming up to me after the sermon and telling me I was disturbing him while he was preaching by me twitching and squeaking and I know better than that speech....and it stilll haunts me but I know god is there....and everyone needs something to believe in...and....I know that god and Jesus or the whole one in three deal is real....but thats my opinion...and thats my belief and no one can take that away from me....


I however do not agree with people saying be a christian or go to hell....or people agree to be christans for the reason just in case its real and I don't want to go to hell if it is so I'll support god....because that is not the right way to go about it if you want to be a christian or if you say what if your wrong about God Not existing....Christianity is not suppose to be a door to door sales pitch or a lottery to get away from Hell......Movies I recomend for people to watch are the Left Behind movies....and theres a book series too...about the end times and I truly believe we are beginining to get into that realm possibly.....and also I have a very much disliking of the Ku Klux Klan......they are I'll just say it....ignorant morons......who really if the world will ever really have World peace Racism is the first thing people need to get rid of their thoughts....and the Ku Klux Klan needs to disband...because they are true morons....I feel Jehovah's Witness is more Christian than the beliefs of the KKK....

[Disney Duster]

I'm very sorry that happened to you, Disneyboy. It is a wonder that even as a kid you still believed better of people and still saw that just because they were bad examples of Christians they had nothing to do with your own beliefs. And also, that you forgave them. What a nice person you are. I'm sorry that happened, they were awful (if unknowingly), but I guess it turned out God showed them the light, and helped you, too.