Hand-Drawn Animation Dead at Disney

[Super Aurora]

My awesome post
Albert

LOL. Look like what you told me at Epcot about this shit is true.

We should hang out again next time I come visit.

[Disney's Divinity]

I do think we need to make a point of differentiating between a flop and a disappointment. ... A film's performance doesn't end at the box-office.

I agree completely.

[Sotiris]

Articles

Can indie cartoon 'Hullabaloo' give new steam to hand-drawn animation? -- EXCLUSIVE Q&A
http://insidemovies.ew.com/2014/09/02/c ... animation/

A Q&A with veteran Disney animator who wants to preserve 2D animation
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/travel/a ... story.html

Hullabaloo aims to reignite 2D animation
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/201 ... hullabaloo

James Lopez and Alexa Summerfield Talk 'Hullabaloo'
http://kylesanimatedworld.blogspot.com/ ... baloo.html

Interview with Hullabaloo’s creator James Lopez
http://www.traditionalanimation.com/201 ... mes-lopez/

James Lopez On Girl Power Steampunk Animation "Hullabaloo"!
https://www.sweetyhigh.com/blog/girl-po ... hullabaloo

James Lopez, Hullabaloo Creator's, Origins In Animation!
https://www.sweetyhigh.com/blog/celebri ... ames-lopez


Non-English Articles

'Hullabaloo', gli animatori Disney che vogliono salvare il 2D
http://www.repubblica.it/spettacoli/cin ... 144962263/


Podcasts

Mousetalgia Podcast 308: Animator James Lopez, Walt’s Woking Way home
http://micechat.com/80372-mousetalgia-p ... -way-home/

Podcast #4 – Funding Your Dreams: The Jamie Lopez Interview
http://taughtbyapro.com/funding-your-ar ... interview/

EP111 w/ James Lopez - Hullabaloo
http://endcredits.podbean.com/e/ep111-w ... ullabaloo/

The Mouse Castle Lounge 02-26-2015 - Disney Animator James Lopez, Part One
http://www.themousecastle.com/2015/02/m ... cules.html

The Mouse Castle Lounge 03-05-2015 - Disney Animator James Lopez, Part Two
http://www.themousecastle.com/2015/03/m ... baloo.html

[DisneyEra]

Can indie cartoon 'Hullabaloo' give new steam to hand-drawn animation? -- EXCLUSIVE Q&A
http://insidemovies.ew.com/2014/09/02/c ... animation/

In only 7days Hallabaloo has raised nearly $59,000
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/hull ... -film#home

[TsWade2]

Can indie cartoon 'Hullabaloo' give new steam to hand-drawn animation? -- EXCLUSIVE Q&A
http://insidemovies.ew.com/2014/09/02/c ... animation/

In only 7days Hallabaloo has raised nearly $59,000
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/hull ... -film#home

WHOOPEE!

[TsWade2]

Now, it's 101% for Hullabaloo! https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/hull ... -film#home And hears my reaction to that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j7vqQcnTMI

[DisneyEra]

Message from James Lopez:

WE ARE 100% FUNDED – THANK YOU !!!

Thank you to each and every person who donated or shared our campaign. This is your film, and we are proud to make it!

We are not done! The more we raise, and are able to meet our stretch goals, the more we will be able to make for you!

YOU MADE THIS HAPPEN !!!

[unprincess]

wow awesome! I wasnt sure theyd be able to make it...

this is just for a short though right? they still have to pitch it as a movie?

yeah theyre going to need alot of luck there. I think they should think outside the box abit. First of all forget the major studios, we know what their answer will be, so they shouldnt waste their time with them.
They should try an indie studio, or go straight to Netflix, Amazon, maybe one of the cable channels like Hub or AMC...as a tv film or special...thats how I would go.

[Musical Master]

A Disney-style steampunk short involving two young women? What's not to love?

[MeerkatKombat]

I'm glad they have made their money. I would love for a full length 2d animated film. I think someone needs to take the risk to judge whether it is still an attractive art form for movie audiences. The fact they have more than funded their kick starter means people are still interested.
Hopefully Disney will take notice. I don't think they can say that kids nowadays aren't interested in hand drawn animation. That is a lousy excuse.

Its nice that these animators aren't taking it lying down and are fighting back.

[Hogi Bear]

Out of interest (peoples opinions, of course), does the term 2D animation refer to the medium it's drawn on?

Because I have often wondering why people actually refer to hand drawn animation as 2D. Most of the hand drawn animations that I have watched, have height, width and depth. So a box is a cube and not a square. Of course, the drawing of a cube is a two dimensional drawing, with the illusion of having three dimensions.

Just my thoughts, by the way. And Yuki and the Wolf Children is a good hand drawn animated film of recent times.

That Hullabaloo sounds interestings, hope they do get picked up for the full length film. Sony has picked up the odd foreign animated film, so that's one possibility, but I'm not sure that they would pick it up.

[ce1ticmoon]

Most people use the term "2D animation" to mean hand-drawn or "traditional" animation, but it can encompass more, such as Flash animation, etc.

And true, "2D animation" may give off the illusion of three dimensions, but it is still made up of drawings/images in two dimensions. It can be differentiated from "3D animation," which is actually animated in three dimensions. It's not just the illusion of 3D--in CGI animation, you can actually move the "camera" all around and shoot the film from any angle, and of course, for stop motion, the same is true, as the items being shot actually exist in 3D space. To me, it makes sense to categorize hand-drawn into the "2D animation" category, as it is clearly different from forms of 3D animation.

[taei]

Out of interest (peoples opinions, of course), does the term 2D animation refer to the medium it's drawn on?

Because I have often wondering why people actually refer to hand drawn animation as 2D. Most of the hand drawn animations that I have watched, have height, width and depth. So a box is a cube and not a square. Of course, the drawing of a cube is a two dimensional drawing, with the illusion of having three dimensions.

Just my thoughts, by the way. And Yuki and the Wolf Children is a good hand drawn animated film of recent times.

That Hullabaloo sounds interestings, hope they do get picked up for the full length film. Sony has picked up the odd foreign animated film, so that's one possibility, but I'm not sure that they would pick it up.

Have you seen any of the other Mamoru Hosoda movies? They're amazing!
Ame and Yuki is a fantastic film, but I would categorize it as an Anime movie more than 2D. That's just me personally. I don't like to lump 2D/Hand-drawn with Anime because Anime has it's own distinctive style...

Anyways... It's gonna be interesting to see if people are actually going to keep their word or become hypocrites.
When I look at the comments that Frozen has generated, one of the biggest complaints was that it wasn't in 2D... Well... where y'all when Princess and the Frog and Pooh came out?
So it'll be interesting to see the response that this movie gets.

The advertising should be: "You said that Frozen should have been hand-drawn, well this movie is!"

[Warm Regards]

They should try an indie studio, or go straight to Netflix, Amazon, maybe one of the cable channels like Hub or AMC...as a tv film or special...thats how I would go.

The advertising should be: "You said that Frozen should have been hand-drawn, well this movie is!"

I swear, some of us on this forum need to put our heads together and make our own animated feature.

[unprincess]

Anyways... It's gonna be interesting to see if people are actually going to keep their word or become hypocrites.
When I look at the comments that Frozen has generated, one of the biggest complaints was that it wasn't in 2D... Well... where y'all when Princess and the Frog and Pooh came out?

I fully supported & bought my ticket to see PATF, but not for WTP. But if I had known things were going to get as bad as they have now I would have begrudgingly gone to see it in theaters... Still I really cant blame people for avoiding WTP... I mean geez, they were given a 2nd chance to do another 2d feature and they went with that!? B/c the world was really clamoring for yet another Pooh movie. I did rent it on NF & it was cute...probably the best thing done with Pooh since the orginal films. But it was still another Pooh movie.

[Kyle]

Out of interest (peoples opinions, of course), does the term 2D animation refer to the medium it's drawn on?

Because I have often wondering why people actually refer to hand drawn animation as 2D. Most of the hand drawn animations that I have watched, have height, width and depth. So a box is a cube and not a square. Of course, the drawing of a cube is a two dimensional drawing, with the illusion of having three dimensions.

Hand drawn is 2D because try as it might to look otherwise, it'll always be flat. 3D is polygonal. it lives in 3D space and can theoretically be viewed from any angle within the computer.

Of course, this is a flawed and confusing term for many reasons. We should be calling hand drawn hand drawn. After the event of stereoscopic movies you now have to clarify, do you mean something is CG when you say 3D? Or the kind you need glasses for? Is 2D hand drawn? Or just a movie viewed without glasses? Or maybe its cardboard cutouts and not really drawn at all. There's so many things to clarify. Even all CG isn't necessarily 3D. South Park is done in Maya.

That's why the term should be retired. I try my best not to use 2D unless I'm talking about which movie tickets I want to buy.

Anyways... It's gonna be interesting to see if people are actually going to keep their word or become hypocrites.
When I look at the comments that Frozen has generated, one of the biggest complaints was that it wasn't in 2D... Well... where y'all when Princess and the Frog and Pooh came out?
So it'll be interesting to see the response that this movie gets.

The advertising should be: "You said that Frozen should have been hand-drawn, well this movie is!"

Supporting hand drawn doesn't mean we have to support any and everything hand drawn. Hand drawn movies are subject to the same kind of challenges any other movie would have. Its all about whether or not the story and characters appeal to us as individuals. I have yet to see Pooh because, well Pooh never interested me. And if I didn't hear about it here I'm not sure I would have even known it was anything more than a direct to video sequel. It was that badly marketed.

While I did see/buy Frog, the fact that most of the movie is spent as frogs is not something I wanted or expected out of it. The pieces just didn't come together right somehow. Didn't help that I couldn't really relate the idea of owning and running a restaurant.

It doesn't make anyone a hypocrite if they didn't like either of these. They played it too safe each time. The only risks being lousy marketing/release dates.

[ce1ticmoon]

Have you seen any of the other Mamoru Hosoda movies? They're amazing!
Ame and Yuki is a fantastic film, but I would categorize it as an Anime movie more than 2D. That's just me personally. I don't like to lump 2D/Hand-drawn with Anime because Anime has it's own distinctive style...

Yes, his films are pretty good. Wolf Children is great, and his One Piece movie is actually quite good too, and is very much distinctly his film despite being a part of an established franchise.

And I'm the exact opposite of you. It irks me that "anime" is for some reason always considered separate from other animation, as if it is its own genre or medium. And I think there's enough variation in style in Japanese animation, that it doesn't make sense to say "anime" (as a single category) has its own "distinct style." By separating Japanese animation from animation in general, many people ghettoize it as if it something for geeks with no social life, while others put in on some sort of pedestal, acting as if it is somehow superior to everything else. And I'm really not a fan of either viewpoint. It's animation all the same, and there is a lot of variation and distinct styles outside of "anime" if you look hard enough (actually, you don't really need to look very heard), so it really just doesn't work for me.

Hand drawn is 2D because try as it might to look otherwise, it'll always be flat. 3D is polygonal. it lives in 3D space and can theoretically be viewed from any angle within the computer.

Of course, this is a flawed and confusing term for many reasons. We should be calling hand drawn hand drawn. After the event of stereoscopic movies you now have to clarify, do you mean something is CG when you say 3D? Or the kind you need glasses for? Is 2D hand drawn? Or just a movie viewed without glasses? Or maybe its cardboard cutouts and not really drawn at all. There's so many things to clarify. Even all CG isn't necessarily 3D. South Park is done in Maya.

That's why the term should be retired. I try my best not to use 2D unless I'm talking about which movie tickets I want to buy.

I agree with you. It's a bit muddy, and I personally try not to use the terms 2D and 3D in relation to animation, and try to be a bit more specific about the medium. However, that said, I think it's pretty safe to make the assumption that when people are talking about animation specifically, that it refers to whether it is "shot" in 2 planes or 3 planes. Like you mentioned, can it be shot at any angle, or not? That is the distinction. Hand-drawn animation and Flash animation would be "2D," while stop motion and 99% of CG animation would be "3D." Though I suppose cardboard cutouts blurs the line a bit... haha.

[TsWade2]

Forgive me if this is over the top, but I'm betting James Lopez and other Disney animators got fired last year are doing this Steampunk movie to teach Disney a lesson for treating 2D hand drawn animation as a dying art....more or less. If that's the case, goodie!

But to assure you, I am not like 2Disney4ever. Yes I have moments for wishing Disney to bring back hand drawn animation back and called Bob Iger a greedy miser and John Lasseter a coward which makes disneyphilip freaks out and take Disney's defense like a lawyer, but I have nothing against CGI movies. Trust me.

[gamer51]

I am on the fence too but definitely tilting toward hand-drawn. I have Wreck-It-Ralph, Finding Nemo and Frozen, for example, and I thoroughly enjoy them all. However, I would like to see more hand-drawn. I consider hand-drawn more artistic (not overall, just visually) and I really like visual art. CGI just seems to be cheating a bit and taking the easy way out in terms of making something somewhat visually realistic. In other words, CGI farts (pardon the term) way more often than hand-drawn, which relies so much less on computer tricks and attempts to make everything look realistic.

[Hogi Bear]

Have you seen any of the other Mamoru Hosoda movies? They're amazing!
Ame and Yuki is a fantastic film, but I would categorize it as an Anime movie more than 2D. That's just me personally. I don't like to lump 2D/Hand-drawn with Anime because Anime has it's own distinctive style...

Yes, I've seen both the Girl Who Leapt Through Time and Summer Wars, which I enjoyed the Girl Who Leapt Through Time more out of the two. I have all three movies in my collection. I haven't seen the One Piece movie or TV series, I'll have to put it on my to watch list. So many great animes are releasing, especially with simulcasting with Japan (so to speak).

Well, to me hand drawn is hand drawn. I personally think anime defines where the animation is from, but the lines can be muddied when looking at things like Avatar: The Last Air Bender for example. Also, there are many computer generated Animes, Oblivion Island: Haruka and the Magic Mirror is one example, by Production IG. So it's interesting how one can define and categorise an art form, due to differences to how people see them, always changing and can be changed with knowledge too (eg history).

Well, I hope this hasn't gone too far off topic. I'm all for movies with good story lines, character development and art development.