Why do I have to be so poor... I'd love to go up there and stay the whole week.Sotiris wrote:At The El Capitan there's going to be a marathon of Musker & Clemets films with introduction by the directors and special guests. It sound pretty cool for anyone who can make it.
Source: https://ohmy.disney.com/news/2016/09/02 ... -festival/
That's the irony of it; Disney has desperately tried to escape the dismissive and passive Princess-rut that they've actually made more Princesses that doesn't even fit the bill. Of course the latter is a coincidence due to time evolving, but they're still using the phrase to a degree that it's become cringeworthy and contradicting. And besides, if Moana were supposedly going to be about a hero's journey and not being in the Princess lineup, then why has she been labeled as Princess in the first place (in the movie and outwardly)? Even Pocahontas was never referred as a Princess in her movie, despite being the daughter of a Chief.Sotiris wrote:Unsurprisingly, Disney's promoting Moana as "not like other princesses". Ever since Lasseter took over every princess is described in opposition to the previous ones: Tiana, Rapunzel, Merida, Anna, Elsa, Elena, Moana... We're getting to a point where we'll have more 'un-princessy' princesses yet Disney still feels the need to apologize for its princess legacy while at the same time exploiting it to no end.
Indeed. Which Belle, Pocahontas and even Megara are evident of. Unfortunately Esmeralda fits the bill, despite that I like her character. Though Disney did use the non-Princess comment in the 90's, they seem to use it even more now.I'd totally describe Ariel and Tiana as badasses. You don't need to physically hurt people to be a 'strong' female character.
(Princess and the Frog to Avatar/Treasure Planet to Harry Potter?)I hear ya, like how Tangled got crushed by Harry Potter & the Deathly Hollows Pt. 1 & how Frozen was just smashed by The Hunger Games Catching Fire. Disney should of never released Moana over the Thanksgiving holiday. If those 2 features couldn't make it, how can MoanaDisneyJedi wrote:I just hope this movie doesn't end up falling in any bigger blockbuster's shadow.
I know you're being slightly sarcastic, but I am personally a little worried that Moana being a "POC" film will detract some viewers. Probably not enough to matter but, you know, ever since Princess and the Frog I can't help but wonder.DisneyEra wrote:I hear ya, like how Tangled got crushed by Harry Potter & the Deathly Hollows Pt. 1 & how Frozen was just smashed by The Hunger Games Catching Fire. Disney should of never released Moana over the Thanksgiving holiday. If those 2 features couldn't make it, how can MoanaDisneyJedi wrote:I just hope this movie doesn't end up falling in any bigger blockbuster's shadow.
If people are gonna be distracted by Moana's skin color, than it's the "Pubic" that's racist & not Disney Animation. And we all know P&tF had a lot of issues. 2009 biggest animated features were Ice Age 3, Up & Monsters Vs Aliens. DreamWorks, Pixar & Ice Age, pretty much the norm for Animation thoughout the 2000s. Disney messed up releasing P&TF only in LA & NY through the Thanksgiving holiday in 2009. The film wasn't released Nationwide til mid December. Had the movie been released nationwide during Thanksgiving 2009, it's Boxoffice would of been much better. But Disney was more interested that November in it's creepy/uncanny valley Christmas Carol movie. With movies like Avatar/The Chipmunk Sequel & Robert Downey's Sherlock Holmes movie, P&TF had no chance. The public just didn't support it. Even though it got great reviews & received 3 Oscar nods for Animated Feature & Original Song. If Moana fails this Thanksgiving I believe it will be the way Disney has been promoting her, as the Anti-Princess who doesn't need a Love Interest, while taking cheap shots at the studio's classic features. From what I've been reading, most believe Moana will gross over $300 million domestic. I just don't see Moana failing because of her Brown skin, but if it does, then that's a topic for a whole other day.Warm Regards wrote:I know you're being slightly sarcastic, but I am personally a little worried that Moana being a "POC" film will detract some viewers. Probably not enough to matter but, you know, ever since Princess and the Frog I can't help but wonder.DisneyEra wrote: I hear ya, like how Tangled got crushed by Harry Potter & the Deathly Hollows Pt. 1 & how Frozen was just smashed by The Hunger Games Catching Fire. Disney should of never released Moana over the Thanksgiving holiday. If those 2 features couldn't make it, how can Moana
I don't see it happening with Moana. Disney's at the point where they can put "From the creators of Frozen and Zootopia" on the marketing and people will instantly be interested. Disney Animation is a trusted brand again.DisneyJedi wrote:I just hope this movie doesn't end up falling in any bigger blockbuster's shadow.
um, what 2d "unit"?the CG and 2D units have to work together to make sure their animation contributions are perfectly timed.
unprincess wrote:wow what a bombardment of articles! thanks for the links D82!
um, what 2d "unit"?the CG and 2D units have to work together to make sure their animation contributions are perfectly timed.
unprincess wrote:wow what a bombardment of articles!
I know, it's a lot of articles! I suppose all appeared at the same time because there was an embargo and they couldn't publish them until now. Most of them tell the same things though. I wanted to select them and post only the best articles, but I didn't have time to do that and I posted all of them so people can choose which ones they want to read. You're welcome.unprincess wrote:thanks for the links D82!
One article mentions clean up artist Rachel Bibb as part of the 2D team, but it's still ridiculous to call two people a unit.PatrickvD wrote:unprincess wrote: um, what 2d "unit"?
I guess Eric Goldberg is a 'unit' now
Source: https://www.yahoo.com/movies/shes-no-pr ... 03136.htmlShe’s an adventurous, compassionate, and beautiful young woman who sings, talks to animals, and even has a royal pedigree as the daughter of a Polynesian chief. But you won’t hear the creative minds behind Moana give their lead character that distinction. “We don’t describe her as a princess,” producer Osnat Shurer told Yahoo Movies at an early press day at the studio’s Burbank offices in August. “We don’t think of her as a princess. We just think of her as one of our strongest lead characters.”
Source: http://www.heyuguys.com/moana-osnat-shurer-interview/Q: Could she be the next Disney princess?
Osnat Shurer: I’d prefer to call her a heroine. Who knows where her future lies, to us she’s the hero of her own journey.
Source: https://www.yahoo.com/movies/shes-no-pr ... 03136.htmlMusker, who directs Moana with longtime creative partner Ron Clements, knows a thing or two about princesses, having brought us Ariel in The Little Mermaid (1989), Jasmine in Aladdin (1992), and Tiana in The Princess and the Frog (2009). With Moana though, he said later, “I think they’re kind of downplaying that term.”
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It's definitely clear, that Musker and Clements don't feel that way (although the two princesses I would say are the best are Ariel and Jasmine lolz). Considering their true feelings on this topic, as well as the film being CGI over 2D against their wishes, I'm hoping they weren't restricted creatively on the actual film. The last time that happened, we got Princess and the Frog and we know how that turned out.Disney's Divinity wrote:It's the same mentality they had after TP&TF bombed. They're deliberately playing into the public perception that princesses suck, that princesses are weak and passive, princesses are for little girls (the ultimate insult, apparently
Notice that Musker said, "I think they're kind of downplaying that term." This is something out of M&C's control and has nothing to do with them. I'm sure they have no qualms with her being a princess considering they've created two of the best, imo. (Jasmine's okay...)
Do you know if there's a good resource where one may find out how R&J were restricted (as you say) on The Princess and the Frog. It would be a very interesting read.JeanGreyForever wrote:Disney's Divinity wrote:The last time that happened, we got Princess and the Frog and we know how that turned out.
