The Top 20 Disney Animated Classics 2012 - RESULTS

[pap64]

Oh and here is my top ten for those interested:

10. Tangled
9. Tarzan
8. Alice in Wonderland
7. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
6. Sleeping Beauty
5. Cinderella
4. The Lion King
3. Aladdin
2. The Hunchback of Notre Dame
1. Beauty and the Beast

[L&P on the Scales]

Meh, kinda wish there was more balance in films in the top ten, but what can you do?

[Goliath]

Looking back on my Top 20, I feel like changing some things. For one, I think Rapunzel should be a little lower on the list. I didn't try to make a "best of"-list, but to rank them based on my enjoyment, like most people did. Having said that, based both on the artistic qualities of the film and my enjoyment, I feel really stupid not having put Pocahontas in the top 20. I should've put that one before Cinderella, or at least bumped Beauty and the Beast (currently at 19) to make room for it. I just watched it again today and I was so overwhelmed by it all. And that ending gets me every time.

Is it bad if I actually like scenes that hit you over the head with the meaning? Especially in a 'kids' movie - they need scenes that make it plainly obvious what is going on.

I mean, everything you guys are saying are all valid arguments, but I just feel like... how can you possibly enjoy these films if you're just looking for flaws?

Because we're *not* "looking for flaws". Saying we are, is a lame excuse (a copt-out) for not adressing the valid arguments that we bring to the table. Is it bad if I actually dislike scenes that hit you over the head with the meaning? TLK is stuffed with beat-to-death, corny new age-stuff that's being treated as if it's really deep and profound.

[SWillie!]

Because we're *not* "looking for flaws". Saying we are, is a lame excuse (a copt-out) for not adressing the valid arguments that we bring to the table. Is it bad if I actually dislike scenes that hit you over the head with the meaning? TLK is stuffed with beat-to-death, corny new age-stuff that's being treated as if it's really deep and profound.

It is not a lame excuse or a cop-out. I'm not addressing your arguments because I really have no reason to. My only argument against them would be "who cares", because like I said, they are all valid points that you're making. Yes, there are flaws in the film. I choose to ignore them and enjoy the film.

That's no excuse.

[Super Aurora]

Because we're *not* "looking for flaws". Saying we are, is a lame excuse (a copt-out) for not adressing the valid arguments that we bring to the table. Is it bad if I actually dislike scenes that hit you over the head with the meaning? TLK is stuffed with beat-to-death, corny new age-stuff that's being treated as if it's really deep and profound.

It is not a lame excuse or a cop-out. I'm not addressing your arguments because I really have no reason to. My only argument against them would be "who cares", because like I said, they are all valid points that you're making. Yes, there are flaws in the film. I choose to ignore them and enjoy the film.

That's no excuse.

I agree with SWillie.


Also in case of TLK, I don't know where people get the impression that it was trying to be DEEP and profound. I never got that impression.

All I got is "HOLY SHIT MUTHA-FUCKING LIONS! FUCK YEAH, BABY!"

...and that it makes me want to go visit Africa.

[Goliath]

It is not a lame excuse or a cop-out. I'm not addressing your arguments because I really have no reason to. My only argument against them would be "who cares", because like I said, they are all valid points that you're making. Yes, there are flaws in the film. I choose to ignore them and enjoy the film.

That's no excuse.

Then why question our motives for disliking the film?

[SWillie!]

It is not a lame excuse or a cop-out. I'm not addressing your arguments because I really have no reason to. My only argument against them would be "who cares", because like I said, they are all valid points that you're making. Yes, there are flaws in the film. I choose to ignore them and enjoy the film.

That's no excuse.

Then why question our motives for disliking the film?

I was simply pointing out that it's pretty nuts what some of you are thinking about when watching these films, when all my mind is doing during them is "yaayyy Disney moviee yayy. yayy."

It wasn't meant to offend you.

[Elladorine]

. . . when all my mind is doing during them is "yaayyy Disney moviee yayy. yayy."

Yeah, that's pretty much the way my mind works too.

[Cheshire_Cat]

I didn't bother to vote in this list because not only have I never seen many of the DACs, but I haven't seen some of the ones I have seen in a really long time. I just thought it would be a bit unfair to vote given those circumstances.

I was very surprised to see Tangled in the top ten - not because I didn't like it (I actually liked it a lot), but because I just wouldn't expect a movie that came out as recently as Tangled did to rank so high up the list. I was also pleasantly surprised to see The Hunchback of Notre Dame rank in the top ten as well. It seems people are finally beginning to appreciate it more. My only regret is that Alice in Wonderland didn't rank higher, but otherwise I think it's a good list.

[pap64]

. . . when all my mind is doing during them is "yaayyy Disney moviee yayy. yayy."

Yeah, that's pretty much the way my mind works too.

I'm an odd mix of both mentalities. On one hand, I do appreciate the fact that they are Disney movies, and the better they are, the more I go "yaayyy Disney moviee yayy. yayy." But on the other, often Disney movies have a subtle depth that many people fail to notice the first time. The reason why is because Disney movies tend to be very simple in their execution, ideals, morals and such, but it is always the simple things that end up having the most impact, because we likely experience them more than some of the more complex situations.

Take "The Little Mermaid" for example. It is a very popular movie. At its core it is about a mermaid that wants to escape to a better world, falls in love, she fights some obstacles, the end. But it is also a movie that just inspires the critical thinking mind like crazy, to the point where you have people completely identifying with Ariel or thinking she is a stupid girl. The Nostalgia Chick made a video as to why she hates the movie, while featuring other women that love the movie, signaling the pros and cons of the story.

And again, this is all for just a very simple story. Not to mention that Disney movies seem to inspire something in people that other movies fail to do. The Lion King, for example. Look at how much discussion we got over how it is or isn't that intellectually deep.

I do see how it can be silly when taken to the extremes. Just saying that Disney movies to have a depth to them that inspires people artistically and mentally.

[SWillie!]

The reason why is because Disney movies tend to be very simple in their execution, ideals, morals and such, but it is always the simple things that end up having the most impact, because we likely experience them more than some of the more complex situations.

I like this. I think this is how I feel about the "hit you over the head" thing. Does Simba stepping in Mufasa's paw print hit you over the head with "Simba has some big shoes to fill"? Absolutely. But to me, it's because it's so simple and to the point, and done in a very somber moment... it sticks with you. It has an impact. You really feel what Simba is thinking at that moment, moreso that if they had just done that scene without the paw print.

[Elladorine]

The reason why is because Disney movies tend to be very simple in their execution, ideals, morals and such, but it is always the simple things that end up having the most impact, because we likely experience them more than some of the more complex situations.

I like this. I think this is how I feel about the "hit you over the head" thing. Does Simba stepping in Mufasa's paw print hit you over the head with "Simba has some big shoes to fill"? Absolutely. But to me, it's because it's so simple and to the point, and done in a very somber moment... it sticks with you. It has an impact. You really feel what Simba is thinking at that moment, moreso that if they had just done that scene without the paw print.

I like this too; simplifying direct story points in a visual manner. I think Disney's been all about that actually.

[Disney Duster]

I thought you thought it was the same as Fantasia, meaning Fantasia wouldn't be superior.

When did I say that? Fantasia is a lot better than Bambi.

I don't think so.

Bambi doesn't ever truly make me feel anything; there are a few moments, like the death of Bambi's Mother and the scene in which the panicking bird flees from her hideout (and is subsequently shot), which make me feel somewhat sad, but because of the overreliance on visuals rather than characterisation, I don't connect to it as much as I would have liked to.

If that's all you felt I don't know what your problem is and I am almost worried about you. Or maybe I'm worried about people in general if this countdown shows so many can't feel all there is to in Bambi. Oh well, at least I know how truly great it is. And how Walt would agree.

I actually think it's not really a princess-movie, since Aurora is in it for like 5 minutes, it's more a boys movie, Phillip has a lot to do and the fathers are also in a lot of scenes.

I thought for the longest time that Sleeping Beauty was the girliest Disney movie. Because not only is the princess still the technical main character, but the co-main characters are three, count 'em three, little old lady fairies, and the main protagonist is another lady fairy. And its all fairy magic, romance, and cake and dress-making until the dragon fight in the end. I'm a boy and I don't consider it girly, but most boys would.

But more boys seem to be bothered by Cinderella's girliness, which I don't get because I feel the mice take up a lot of time I think they are very boyish characters. It might be that Cinderella is so much the star and it's so much her point of view, which is sad that that may be the reason so many boys don't like it.

Praising about the good points in the films gets boring fast.

Who would know? That rarely happens here.

LOL!

Does Simba stepping in Mufasa's paw print hit you over the head with "Simba has some big shoes to fill"? Absolutely. But to me, it's because it's so simple and to the point, and done in a very somber moment... it sticks with you. It has an impact. You really feel what Simba is thinking at that moment, moreso that if they had just done that scene without the paw print.

Why is it hitting you over the head? It's just an image. You have to think about it. It doesn't outright tell you, with words. It's not subtle because it pauses on that moment for a bit?!

[pap64]

This might come off as ironic as I just spent a good chunk criticizing him and his friends at TGWTG.com, but during his Disneycember event Doug Walker said something about Snow White that I think applies to most if not all Disney movies: Snow White isn't about what your MIND wants to see, it is about what your EMOTIONS want to feel. You want Snow White to find her prince, fall in love and go to his castle. You want the shoe to fit Cinderella so she can escape her awful house. You want Wendy, John and Michael to go on a magical adventure in Neverland.

And note that the movies don't go beyond that. They don't stop and try to give deep, logical reasons for their existence, they just give us what we want to see, hear and feel. It works. Just look at how many of the Disney classics end up being labeled as THE best animated movies ever made, or hell just plain BEST movies ever made.

[SWillie!]

Does Simba stepping in Mufasa's paw print hit you over the head with "Simba has some big shoes to fill"? Absolutely. But to me, it's because it's so simple and to the point, and done in a very somber moment... it sticks with you. It has an impact. You really feel what Simba is thinking at that moment, moreso that if they had just done that scene without the paw print.

Why is it hitting you over the head? It's just an image. You have to think about it. It doesn't outright tell you, with words. It's not subtle because it pauses on that moment for a bit?!

Actually I agree. I was kind of just going with because it seemed like everyone agreed that it was hitting you over the head... I mean it is pretty obvious that's what that image represents, but like I said, I don't think it's anywhere near the point where it's a flaw... I love that scene.

[Elladorine]

Actually I agree. I was kind of just going with because it seemed like everyone agreed that it was hitting you over the head... I mean it is pretty obvious that's what that image represents, but like I said, I don't think it's anywhere near the point where it's a flaw... I love that scene.

And you know, it's actually one of the few specific scenes I remember seeing with my parents at the theater back in 1994. I can remember how it made me feel at the time and even my mom's reaction. And having those kinds of moments to hold onto is pretty awesome in my book.

[Lazario]

Also in case of TLK, I don't know where people get the impression that it was trying to be DEEP and profound. I never got that impression.

All I got is "HOLY SHIT MUTHA-FUCKING LIONS! FUCK YEAH, BABY!"

...and that it makes me want to go visit Africa.

Great idea. Real life is exactly the way it's portrayed in animated films.

[Atlantica]

At last Mermaid came top !

To say that I am happy about that is an understatement; glad it finally got to the top after being so beloved for so long, and always just missing out.

[Khonnor]

Thanks guys for the nice reception. Glad you all liked it.

I agree that next year might be too soon maybe to have a completely different outcome. Maybe a Top 20 Sequels next year?

Glad this thread is being kept somewhat alive to discuss it a little further.

I'm so thinking this should be sticky-ied...and people should just add their favorites-lists in this thread the entire year....

[Super Aurora]

Also in case of TLK, I don't know where people get the impression that it was trying to be DEEP and profound. I never got that impression.

All I got is "HOLY SHIT MUTHA-FUCKING LIONS! FUCK YEAH, BABY!"

...and that it makes me want to go visit Africa.

Great idea. Real life is exactly the way it's portrayed in animated films.

Oh look who's here and want to start a drama!