Alice in Wonderland: 60th Anniversary Edition Blu-ray, 2011

ajmrowland · Post by **ajmrowland** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 4:58 pm

geniuswalt wrote:If "Through the keyhole" is like a CineExplore in reverse (bigger behind-the-scene screen with smaller feature image" I'm so excited...I never understood what's the point of some picture-in-picture features Disney offers on some titles. They are so small, anyone with anything less than a 60-inch TV can't find much use for them (case in point B&B work in progress version)

that's a very subjective view. My 47" suits me just fine. Of course, viewing distance is also importantfor these, and size of the images often changes too, but I never feel like I'm missing much except with the WIP and Ponyo storyboards.

ajmrowland · Post by **ajmrowland** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 5:09 pm

Disney Duster wrote:Please tell me the images on the left are from the new restoration...

Because I think those images on the right look way too bright. Fakely bright. Fakely colored. Just...not good, and not like I used to feel Disney films...were.

Don't get mad at me. I'm not trashing the whole thing, I'm still probably gonn buy this, it could turn out better in the end, I am just stating how I feel, my initial reaction, which is...that it looks wrong and bad.

Alice's colors don't seem to match the dark environments she's in in most of those. Like she's not even in those dark backgrounds.

screencaps dont always get it right. I can guarantee you that Dumbo's screencaps didnt really justify how natural that film looks in HD. they look artificial.

But I'm shocked at the sailor's skintone. Of course, it looks a bit like the lighting that's around him, naturally, as the Walrus doesnt look quite as different, but it is very different than what most of us would expect. I just expect the final product to look more natural than a compressed J-peg. they are different formats after all.

Either way, that's the only cap I have a problem with.

jpanimation · Post by **jpanimation** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 4:05 am

I kind of like the new color scheme. I was caught a little off guard by the orange guy, since he's soo striking but since Wonderland is all a dream, who's to say he's not orange? Maybe it was never supposed to have a natural color pallet. IDK, but reminding myself that this as all a dream world makes accepting the vivid color changes all the easier.

Elladorine · Post by **Elladorine** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 4:09 am

I think the new restoration has more of a Mary Blair feel.

Toky · Post by **Toky** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:21 am

ow my, the new colours look really afwfull, like the carpenter just went to jersey shore

anyway i also dont like the fact that they seem to give the lining of characters different colours, some dept is lost with that process...

still im looking forward to this new edition

WonderlandFever · Post by **WonderlandFever** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:59 pm

I have to say, I like the new colors. Yeah the carpenter looks odd but perhaps that is how he was supposed to be or it just could be a mess up? Honestly they could make all the characters orange I wouldn't mind it won't change the movie that I love.

Wonderlicious · Post by **Wonderlicious** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:27 pm

I've been slow on a number of things on this thread, sooo, here we go...

I have to side with those saying that we probably shouldn't jump the gun too soon about the restoration. Those promotional screencaps look like they were pumped up a bit (it's the kind of thing I'd expect from Disney, to be perfectly honest), and as Disneykid said, the actual footage we did see was of a streamed Internet video.

That aside, I'm glad that we're getting another restoration; the last one was fine, but it did ultimately feel a bit pale. And as for the "Through the Keyhole" feature...

It looks to be awesome. This was always going to be one of the films I'd definitely re-buy on Blu-Ray, and unlike with Fantasia, there's definitely a good reason to do so now. I'm going to be finally getting a Blu-Ray player this year hopefully, but I'd buy the Blu-Ray either way in my endless wait.

Oh, and for the record, the UK/Ireland Blu-Ray cover is now up on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASI ... edisne-21/

Disneykid · Post by **Disneykid** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 7:44 am

The first review is up, and it's got screencaps:

http://www.blu-raydefinition.com/review ... eview.html

Say what you will, but I think the new restoration looks astounding. I was always satisfied with the 2004 one and couldn't imagine the film looking much better. I was wrong. I love the bolder, more saturated color scheme on display, especially the cherry reds on the Tweedles. I also like Alice's more consistent skin tone. Like enigmawing said, this does look more like a Mary Blair illustration. Wonderland shouldn't have a natural color palette, and this new transfer reflects that.

My review copy should be coming to me this weekend. Needless to say, I'm stoked. It's a good time to be an Alice fan.

Victurtle · Post by **Victurtle** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:06 am

Oooo mah goshhhhhh it's beautiful! Best DAC restoration contender.

MJW · Post by **MJW** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:07 am

Wow, those screencaps do look nice! Thanks for sharing the link.

Is it safe to assume that these colors are what was originally intended by the artists involved? I know that Disney and Lowry (the restoration team) are making a real effort to go back to original sources in doing these restorations, so I am assuming that in restoring these films they are trying to faithfully reproduce the original "look and feel" of each title in addition to polishing them up for HD. Hopefully my question doesn't start a BATB-style color debate..

Only 13 days to go until the US release!

This will be my 3rd release day purchase; it's become my new tradition!

PheR · Post by **PheR** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:29 am

I'd say do not trust that site's image colors, look at the BD cover, those are not the right ones! something weird happened with those guys' photoshop. The images are kind of over saturated, I believe the real cover colors will look like something in between these two:

MJW · Post by **MJW** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:48 am

I believe those color differences are caused by failure to properly convert a CMYK color profile to RGB. RGB is the standard for output to screen (web, digital, etc.) and CMYK is standard for printing (magazines, etc.)

In short, the first cover artwork looks like it was created as CMYK due to the fact that the destined output is a printed media cover, but was saved to a JPEG (2nd image) without being converted to a RGB color profile.

I think you'll find that the top of the two cover art variations above will be closer to what you'll see in person. The bottom is a littleover-saturated, although one could argue that the new screencaps match the bottom cover more so than the top...

Someone correct me if I am wrong!

BelleGirl · Post by **BelleGirl** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:23 am

I just pre-ordered the "Alice in Wonderland" special edition dvd from Amazon.co.uk! Finally I can replace my VHS-tape!

It just bothers me a bit that all new releases that are discussed on this board concern only blu-ray editions. Hello people: there are still new dvd-releases out there and there are people who are curious to know what bonus features they hold!

geniuswalt · Post by **geniuswalt** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 2:10 pm

That review talks about "the original stereo track". I just checked and on the Masterpiece Edition DVD sleeve it says "original mono audio track" so who's right?

I would assume at the time the audio was still monaural
If so, then, Disney will not include the original audio track with this release...

Disneykid · Post by **Disneykid** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:17 pm

PheR wrote:I'd say do not trust that site's image colors, look at the BD cover, those are not the right ones! something weird happened with those guys' photoshop. The images are kind of over saturated

MJW's right. The images on MouseInfo are in CMYK color mode. I converted them to RGB in Photoshop when doing my comparisons. If you toggle between MouseInfo's images and mine, you'll see mine are less blinding, and colors look deeper.

geniuswalt wrote:That review talks about "the original stereo track". I just checked and on the Masterpiece Edition DVD sleeve it says "original mono audio track" so who's right?

I would assume at the time the audio was still monaural
If so, then, Disney will not include the original audio track with this release...

I wouldn't take that review too seriously considering they just lazily re-listed all of the supplements. In doing so, they made an error: they say Operation Wonderland and Thru the Mirror are in SD when they, in fact, have been remastered in HD. He probably just assumed since they were lumped under "Classic DVD features," they were automatically SD. If Snow White and Pinocchio are any indication, we'll be getting the original mono track.

Patrick · Post by **Patrick** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 7:09 pm

The restoration looks beautiful.. I was initially upset with this release only because I already have both the Masterpiece and Un-Anniversary edition, but it seems like it will be worth the upgrade.

ajmrowland · Post by **ajmrowland** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:16 pm

BelleGirl wrote:I just pre-ordered the "Alice in Wonderland" special edition dvd from Amazon.co.uk! Finally I can replace my VHS-tape!
It just bothers me a bit that all new releases that are discussed on this board concern only blu-ray editions. Hello people: there are still new dvd-releases out there and there are people who are curious to know what bonus features they hold!

Yeah, we acknowledge them. Blu-ray just has the more interesting fetures.

Old Fish Tale · Post by **Old Fish Tale** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:39 am

Another review! Click here!

MJW · Post by **MJW** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:47 am

Wow, those screen caps are amazing! The colors are so vibrant and everything is so crisp and clear. I'm upgrading from VHS to Blu-ray, so this will be a world of difference! Feb. 1 can't come soon enough.

PatrickvD · Post by **PatrickvD** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:54 am

It looks amazing. Not extremely 'light' and altered like say Pinocchio.

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